Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 3, 1643-1644. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.
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Die Veneris, Novembris 8, 1644.
Trade to Newcastle.
Grant to Vane.
An Order for repaying Sir Hen. Vane senior for the Damages he has sustained by Colonel Heron, Major Branling, Wm. Conyers, and others, out of their Estates, was this Day read; and ordered to be committed unto Mr. Cage, Mr. Vassall; Sir Peter Wentworth, Sir Tho. Widdrington, Mr. Prideaux, Mr. Strode, Mr. Recorder, Mr. Ashe, Sir Edw. Partheriche, Sir Beauchamp St. Johns, Mr. Bond, Mr. White, Mr. Long, Sir Tho. Walsingham, Mr. Tate, Mr. Blakiston, Mr. Ashherst, Sir Anth. Irby, Mr. Holland, Mr. Wheler, Mr. Darley: And are to meet, they or any Six of them, on Monday next, at Two post Meridiem, in the Exchequer Chamber: And have Power to send for Parties, Witnesses, Papers, Records, &c.
Propositions to the King.
Mr. Pierrepont reports the Clause to be added concerning such Members of either House of Parliament, in the Fourth Qualification, after the Word " Commonwealth:" (fn. a) The which was read; and assented unto, upon the Question; and ordered to be delivered to the Lords, at a Conference.
Sir Hen. Vane senior reports from the Committee of both Kingdoms, the Way and Manner of sending the Propositions of both Kingdoms to his Majesty: (fn. b) The which was read; and, upon the Question, assented unto; and Ordered to be delivered at this Conference.
Sir Jo. Wray is appointed to go to the Lords; to desire a free Conference, by Committees of both Houses, so soon as may stand with their Lordships Conveniency, concerning the Matter of the last Conference touching the Propositions of both Kingdoms for a safe and well-grounded Peace.
Mr. Pierrepont reports from the Committee of both Kingdoms, a Consideration to the House, of paying the Arrears due to Colonel Jo. Fienis, out of Haberdashers Hall, upon Warrants signed and subsigned long since: The which was read; and, upon Consideration thereof, it is referred to the Committee at Haberdashers Hall, to examine and state the Arrears due to Colonel Jo. Fienis, for which he has received Warrants, as he informs, signed and subsigned a Year and a half since, that it may appear to what Sum the said Arrears do arise; to the end Order may be taken for the Payment of it.
Resolved, &c. That a Fortnight's Pay be forthwith advanced and paid out of Haberdashers Hall, upon Account, to the Treasurer of the associated Counties of Oxon, Bucks, and Berks, to be paid to the Regiment of Horse under the Command of Colonel Jo. Fienis, upon Muster of the said Regiment.
Miscarriages at Banbury.
Message from Lords.
The Lords having formerly sent a Petition to this House of the Earl of Carlell's; they desire this House to take it into Consideration, with what Expedition they can; and to send Answer unto it, as was desired, and promised, when the Petition was sent first down.
They were likewise commanded to deliver the Votes of the joint Committee, as reported and resolved by the Lords House; and desire their Concurrence therein; and that the Earl of Denbigh may be dispatched, with such Accommodations for the Publick Service as shall be necessary unto his Commands, according to the manifold Desires and Concernment of his Association.
Answer to Lords.
Earl of Denbigh's Association.
Ordered, That the Committees for regulating the Office of the Ordnance, and for Perusal of the Lieutenant of the Ordnance his Patents, be joined: And that they have Power to send for Parties, Witnesses, Papers, Records.
Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee for maimed Soldiers, to consider of some Expedient to discover the Parliament Soldiers about the Streets from the King's Soldiers; and to take some Course, that those that are really the Parliament's Soldiers, may be so disposed of, and provided for, that they may not, upon any Pretence, go up-and-down the Streets, begging.
They were called in: And Doctor Burges there offered, That the Assembly of Divines, in Obedience to an Order they Yesterday received, they desire to present the humble Advice of the Assembly of Divines, by Ordinance of Parliament now sitting at Westminster, concerning some Part of Church Government.
Resolved, &c. That the humble Advice of the Assembly of Divines, concerning some Part of Church Government, this Day presented to the House, be taken into Consideration on Tuesday Morning next, peremptorily, the first Business: And that Mr. Speaker put the House in mind hereof.
Propositions to the King.
Mr. Pierrepont reports from the Conference, That the Lords do agree to all the Desires of this House concerning the Propositions of both Kingdoms; and have resolved, That Two Lords shall go with them.
(*) After the Word " Commonwealth," in the Fourth Qualification of the Fourteenth Proposition, add, "and also that the Members of either House of Parliament, who have deserted the Parliament, and adhered to the Enemies thereof, and have not rendered themselves before the last of October 1644, may be removed from his Majesty's Counsels; and be restrained from coming within the Verge of the Court: And that they may not, without the Advice and Consent of both Houses of Parliament, bear any Office, or have any Employment, concerning the State or Commonwealth."
" From the Committee of both Kingdoms.—Reported, That, when the Propositions are agreed upon by the mutual Consent of both Kingdoms, this Committee does present unto them, that then they be sent by some of the Parliaments of both Kingdoms, and by Two of the House of Peers, and a proportionable Number of the House of Commons; and the Commissioners of the Kingdom of Scotland will send some of their own Number, as they may both do That, and be a sufficient Number for the Service to be done at this Committee."