House of Commons Journal Volume 4: 26 September 1645

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 4, 1644-1646. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

'House of Commons Journal Volume 4: 26 September 1645', in Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 4, 1644-1646, (London, 1802) pp. 288-290. British History Online https://www.british-history.ac.uk/commons-jrnl/vol4/pp288-290 [accessed 25 April 2024]

Die Veneris, 26 Septembris, 1645.

Prayers.

THE Grand Committee of the House, according to former Order, proceeded to take into Consideration the Business concerning the Suspending of scandalous Persons from the Sacrament of the Lord's Supper.

Mr. Whittacre in the Chair.

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.

A Letter from Colonel Langherne, of 13 Septembris 1645, from Haverford-West, with a Relation of his Proceedings, and of the Success God hath given him against the Enemy, in clearing, and reducing to the Obedience of the Parliament, the whole County of Pembroke, was this Day read.

Ordered, &c. That it be referred to the Committee of both Kingdoms, to consider, What Assistance may be sit to be forthwith sent to Colonel Langherne.

Resolved, &c. That the Estate of John Barloe, of Slebage in the County of Pembroke, a Delinquent, in Arms against the Parliament, shall be granted and settled upon Colonel Rowland Langherne, and his Heirs, for ever.

Ordered, &c. That Two thousand Pounds shall be forthwith provided for the Service of the Forces of Pembrokeshire under the Command of Colonel Langherne: And that this Two thousand Pounds be charged upon the Receipts of the Excise, to be paid in Course.

Ordered, &c. That a Letter of Thanks be prepared and brought in by Mr. Recorder, to be signed by Mr. Speaker, and sent to Colonel Langherne, for his good and faithful Service to the Parliament.

Ordered, &c. That, on the next Lord's Day, the Ministers in the several Churches and Chapels within the Cities of London and Westminster, weekly Bills of Mortality, and Lines of Communication, do return due Praise and Thanks to Almighty God for his great Mercies to the Forces of the Parliament in several Places, for the Taking in of Lacock-House, and the Town and Castle of the Devizes, and for reducing the County of Pembroke: And that the Lord Mayor be desired to take care to give timely Notice hereof to the respective Ministers.

Ordered, &c. That a Warrant shall issue forth, under Mr. Speaker's Hand, directed to the Clerk of the Crown in Chancery, to issue forth a Writ, for the Election of a new Burgess for the Town of Readinge in the County of Berks, in the place of Sir Francis Knollis junior, deceased.

Ordered, &c. That a Warrant shall issue forth, under Mr. Speaker's Hand, directed to the Clerk of the Crown in Chancery, to issue forth a Writ, for the Election of a new Burgess for Abbington in the County of Berks, in the place of Sir George Stonehowse; being disabled, by Judgment of the House, to sit as a Member thereof, during this Parliament.

Mr. Whittacre reports, from the Grand Committee for Religion, a List of the Names of such Persons as are to be Tryers and Judges of the Integrities and Ability of such Persons as shall be chosen to be Elders in the Province of London: Which were, upon the Question, approved of; and were in hæc verba; viz.

A List of the Names of such Persons as shall be, and are hereby ordained to be, Tryers and Judges of the Integrity and Ability of such as are to be chosen Elders in the Twelve Classes within the Province of London, and of the Dueness of their Election, according to such Rules and Directions as have formerly passed both Houses in that Behalf.



Ministers.
Class I.	Doctor William Gouge, of Black-Friers. Mr. George Walker, of John Evangelist's. Mr. Lazarus Seaman, of All-Hallows, in Bread-Street. Others. Mr. Rich. Browne Esquire, of Black-Friers. Mr. Rich. Turner senior, of Austin's Parish. Mr. Wm. Kendall, of All-Hallows, in Bread-street. John Clarke Doctor of Physick, of Martin's, Ludgate. Mr. Tho. Staynes, of Mildred, in Bread-Street. Mr. Christo. Meredith, of Faith's.
Ministers.
Class II.	Mr. Wm. Reyner, of John Baptist's. Mr. Charles Offspring, of Antholin's. Mr. Wm. Thomas, of Pancrate, Soper-lane. Others. Mr. Alexander Jones, of John Baptist's. Mr. Ralph Tryplett, of Nicolas Cold-Abby. Mr. Thomas Coffin, of Michael Royal. Mr. James Hayes, of Bennet Sherehogg. Mr. John Cock, of James, Garlicke-Hithe. Mr. Philip Owen, of Mary-Magd. Old Fish-Street.
Ministers.
Class III.	Mr. Humphry Chambers, of Stephen's, Walbrooke. Mr. John Rawlingson, of Mary Abchurch. Mr. John Cardell, of All-Hailows, in Lumbard-Street. Others. Mr. John Warner Alderman, of Stephen's, Walbrooke. Mr. Robert Sweete, of Mary Woolnoth. Mr. Michael Herring, of Mary Woolchurch. Mr. Richard Young, of All-Hallows, in Lumber-Street. Mr. Richard Warner, of Mary Abchurch. Mr. Robert Meade, of Laurence-Pountney.
Ministers.
Class IV.	Mr. John Ley, of Mary on the Hill. Mr. Joseph Caryl, of Magnus. Mr. Fulk Bellers, of Michael, Cornehill. Others. Mr. James Bunce Alderman, of Bennet, Grasechurch. Mr. Edw. Hooker, of Mary on the Hill. Mr. John Bellamy, of Michael, in Cornehill. Mr. John Case, of Andrew, in Hubbert Mr. John Hatley, of Magnus. Mr. Wm. Bramwitch, of Peter's, Cornehill.
Ministers.
Class V.	Mr. John Conant, of Botolph, Aldersgate. Mr. Antho. Tuckney, of Mich. Corne, alias Querne. Mr. Simeon Ash, of Bride's. Others. Sir John Wollaston Knight, of John Zachary's. Mr. Edward Honywood, of Mich. Corne, alias Zuerne. Mr. Wm. Hart, of Christ-Church. Mr. John Johnson, of Botolph, Aldersgate. Mr. Rich. Flood, of Peters Cheepe. Mr. John Sherman, of Anne, Aldersgate.
Ministers.
Class VI.	Mr. Edmund Calamy, of Mary, Aldermanbury. Mr. John Arrowsmith, of Martin's, Iremongers-Land. Mr. Arthur Jackson, of Mich. Wood-Street. Others. Mr. Walter Boothby, of Mary, Aldermanbury. Mr. Wm. Webb, of Martin's, Ironmongerslane. Mr. Wm. Bisby, of Laurence, Jeurey. Mr. Thomas Brightwell, of Gyles, Creeplegate. Mr. Robert Manwaring, Mr. Laurence Bruceley, of Mary Magdalen, Milk-Street.
Ministers.
Class VII.	Mr. Robert Harris, of Botolph, Bishopsgate. Mr. Samuel Clarke, of Bennet-Fynk. Mr. Charles Newton, of Mich. Bassingshall. Others. Mr. Christo. Pack, of Mich. Bassingshall. Mr. James Russell, of Stephen's, Coleman-Streete. Mr. Wm. Williamson, of Christopher's. Mr. Robert Launt, of Peter's-Poore. Mr. James Story, of Bennet-Fynk. Mr. Samuel Harsnett, of Bartholomew, Exchange.
Ministers.
Class VIII.	Mr. Wm. Spurstow, of Hackney. Mr. Thomas Porter, of Catharine Cree-Church. Mr. Elidad Blackwell, of Andrew-Undershafte. Others. Sir David Watkins Knight, of Andrew-Undershafte. Mr. John Smith, Mr. George Clarke, of Hackney. Mr. Rich. Shute, of Cree-Church. Mr. Alexander Bence, of Aldgate. Mr. Thomas Hutchins, of Helen's.
Ministers.
Class IX.	Mr. Thomas Clandon, of Allhallows, Barking. Mr. Thomas Valentine, of Mary, Whitechappell. Mr. Thomas Carter, of Olave's, Hart-Street. Others. Sir Edw. Harrington Knight, of Olave's, HartStreete. Mr. Francis West, Lieutenant of the Tower. Mr. Edumnd Trench, of Allhallows, Staynings. Mr. Maurice Thompson, of Dunstan's in the East. Mr. Stafford Clare, Mr. Solomon Smith, of Catharine, Tower.
Ministers.
Class X.	Mr. Thomas Gattaker, of Rotherhithe. Mr. Jeremiah Whitaker, of Mary Magd. Bermondsey. Mr. Samuel Bolton, of Mary Overy. Others. Mr. Tho. Hudson, of George's, Southwark. Mr. George Snellinge, of Olave's, Southwark. Mr. Robert Houghton, Mr. George Tomson, Mr. Daniel Sawton, of Mary Overy. Mr. Henry Helmer, of Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey.
Ministers.
Class XI	Mr. Herbert Palmer, of New-Church, Westminster. Mr. Richard Vines, of Clement Danes. Mr. Henry Cornish, of Giles in the Fields. Others. Mr. George Prum, of Westminster. Mr. Edw. Martin, Mr. James Prince, of Clement Danes. Mr. Silvanus Taylor, Mr. Walter Bigg, of Giles in the Fields. Mr. Edward Carter, of Coven-Garden.
Ministers.
Class XII.	Mr. Obadiah Sedgwicke, of Andrew's, Holborne. Mr. Emanuel Bourne, of Sepulchre's. Mr. Andrew Pierne, of Dunstan's in the West. Others. Mr. Robert Drake, Doctor of Physick, of Andrew's, Holborne. Mr. Wm. Jessopp, Mr. Thomas Smith, of Sepulchre's. Mr. Natha. Camfield, Mr. Wm. Ball, of Dunstan's in the West. Mr. Francis Allen,

Resolved, upon the Question, That, in all these Twelve Classes, that which shall be done by the major Part of the Tryers that be present, not being under the Number of Seven in each Classis, shall be esteemed as the Act of the Tryers of that Classis.

Resolved, &c. That all the Members of the House of Commons shall be Tryers within that Classis, whereof the Parish wherein they live is a Part.

He further reported several Votes concerning such other particular Sins, for which Persons guilty of those Sins should be suspended from the Sacrament of the Lord's Supper; and also Cautions for their Proceedings therein: Which were, upon the Question, approved of; and were in hæc verba;

"That the Presbytery or Eldership shall not have Cognixance of any thing, wherein any Matter of Payment, Contract, or Demand, is concerned; nor of any Matter of Conveyance, Title, Interest, or Property, in Lands or Goods."

Resolved, That it shall be in the Power of the Eldership to suspend from the Sacrament of the Lord's Supper all Worshippers of Images, Crosses, Crucifixes, or Reliques, appearing to be such, upon just Proof.

That it shall be in the Power of the Eldership to suspend, &c. all Makers of Images of the Trinity, or of any Person thereof, appearing to be such, upon just Proof.

That it shall be in the Power of the Eldership to suspend, &c. all religious Worshippers of Saints, Angels, or of any mere Creature, appearing to be such, upon just Proof.

That no Use shall be made, at the Tryal of any Person for any Offence, of any Consession or Proof made before the Eldership.

That it shall be in the Power of the Eldership to suspend any Person from the Sacrament of the Lord's Supper, who shall, before the Eldership, prosess himself not to be in Charity.

That it shall be in the Power of the Eldership to suspend any Person, that shall challenge any other Person to fight, by Word, Message, or Writing; or that shall accept such a Challenge, and agree thereunto.

That it shall be in the Power of the Eldership to suspend any Person, that shall knowingly carry any such Challenge, by Word, Message, or Writing, be he Minister or other.

That it shall be in the Power of the Eldership to suspend any Person, that shall, upon the Lord's Day, use any Dancing, Gaming, Masking, Wake, Shooting, Bowling, Playing at Foot-Ball or Stool-Ball, Wrestling; or that shall make or resort to any Plays, Interjudes, Fencing, Bull-Baiting, or Bear-Baiting; or that shall use Hawking, Hunting, or Coursing, Fishing, or Fowling; or that shall publickly expose any Wares to Sale, otherwise than as is provided by an Ordinance of Parliament of the Sixth of April 1644.

That it shall be in the Power of the Eldership to suspend any Person, that shall travel upon the Lord's Day, without reasonable Cause.

That it shall be in the Power of the Eldership to suspend any Person, that shall repair for Advice unto any Witch, Wizard, or Fortuneteller.

That it shall be in the Power of the Eldership to suspend any Person, that shall assault his Parents, or any Magistrate, Minister, or Elder, in the Execution of his Office.

Resolved, &c. That these Words, "Minister or other," shall be omitted in all the Votes.

Resolved, &c. That Mr. Tate and Mr. Selden do immediately withdraw, and prepare a general Vote, to include Ministers as well as others in the several Votes of this House, concerning Suspending of scandalous Persons from the Sacrament of the Lord's Supper.

Upon their Report, it is Resolved, &c. That any Minister, being accused of any of the afore-mentioned Crimes, upon just Proof thereof, as aforesaid, shall be suspended from giving or receiving the Sacrament of the Lord's Supper.

Resolved, &c. That the Word "Bribery" be added to the Vote concerning Forgery, Extortion, or Perjury.

That it shall be in the Power of the Eldership to suspend from the Sacrament of the Lord's Supper any Person, that shall be legally attainted of Barretry, Forgery, Extortion, Perjury, or Bribery.

That there be a Standing-Committee of both Houses of Parliament, to consider of Causes of Suspension from the Sacrament of the Lord's Supper, not contained in the Ordinance which is to be framed, and brought in to the House, for that Purpose: Unto which Committee any Eldership shall present such Causes; to the end that the Parliament, if Need require, may hear and determine the same.

The Question being propounded, Whether these Words, "or, the Parliament not fitting, the said Committee to be Judges thereof," should be added to the Question;

The Question was put, Whether this Question should be put, or no: And

It passed with the Negative.

Resolved, &c. That the Clause in these Words; viz. "And that, in the mean time, Persons, accused of such Offences, be suspended from the said Sacrament: But that no Person be suspended, otherwise than according to the true Meaning of the said Ordinance;" be re-committed to the Grand Committee of the House for Religion.

Resolved, &c. That the Sub-Committee do meet on Monday next, and prepare an Ordinance to be brought in to the House, to comprehend all the Votes passed this House concerning Church-Government, to be presented at the next Sitting of this Committee, on Wednesday next: And Mr. Tate and Mr. Rouse are to take care hereof.

Resolved, &c. That the Ministers within the Province of London shall ordain Ministers within their several Classes, according to the Directory for Ordination already passed: And that it be referred to the Sub-Committee to consider, How the same may most conveniently be put in Execution.

Sir Wm. Lewes carried to the Lords, for their Concurrence, the Ordinance for estating and settling upon the Earl of Essex Ten thousand Pounds per Annum, out of divers Lands of Delinquents mentioned in the said Ordinance, and out of Sequestration; and likewise an Order for Five hundred Pounds out of Haberdashers-Hall, to be paid to Sir Philip Stapleton, in Part of his Arrears.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Edward Leech and Mr. Page;

The Lords have commanded us to deliver unto you these Letters; the one from the Prince's Highness to Sir Thomas Fairefax; the other from Sir Thomas Fairfax to the Committee of both Kingdoms; and was reported from the Committee of both Kingdoms to their House: Their Opinion is, That the Prince his Highness' Letters, and those of Sir Thomas Fairefaxe, be recommanded to the Committee of both Kingdoms; and to be communicated to the Scotts Commissioners; that the said Committee take the said Letters into present Consideration; and return their Sense to both Houses respectively, with all convenient Speed: They desire the Concurrence of this House herein.

The Letter from the Prince his Highness to Sir Tho. Fairefaxe was from his Court at Exeter, of Sept. 15 1645; and was concerning a Safe-Conduct for Sir Ralph Hopton and Sir Jo. Colepeper to go to his Majesty: The Letter from Sir Thomas Fairefaxe was of Sept. 20 , from Bathe: And they were both read.

Resolved, &c. That the Debate and Consideration of this Business shall be taken up on Monday next, the first Business.

Resolved, &c. That Sir John Holland be injoined to come and attend the Service of the House, within these Two Months at farthest.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House has considered their Lordships Message; and will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Ordered, &c. That Colonel Walton shall have Leave to go into the Country, and to be absent from the Service of the House, for a Month.

Mr. Prideaux reported, from the Committee at Plymouth, the Desire of the Committee, That the Condition of the Western Parts, and of the Garison of Plymouth, should be represented to this House; with a Desire, That some speedy and effectual Course may be taken for the Preservation of both.

Ordered, &c. That the Debate of this Business, reported from the Committee of Plymouth, concerning the Western Parts, and the Garison of Plymouth, be resumed To-morrow at Ten of Clock.

Ordered, &c. That, To-morrow, the Reports be made concerning Compositions for Service of the West; and concerning the Iron-Works granted to Colonel Massie.