Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 4, 1644-1646. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.
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Die Jovis, 27 Augusti, 1646.
AN Ordinance to enable the Committee of the Lords and Commons, of the Revenue, to issue Warrants to the Attorney or Sollicitor-General, for preparing Grants of all such Things as have been, or shall be, disposed by the Committee of the Revenue, to be passed under the Great Seal, was this Day read the First and Second time; and, upon the Question, committed unto Sir Anthony Irby, Sir William Lewes, Mr. Walter Long, Mr. Gourdon, Mr. Robinson, Sir Edward Aiscough, Mr. Scott, Sir John Hobarte, Mr. Henry Pelham, Mr. John Ashe, Mr. Trenchard, Mr. Lisle, Mr. Swinfen, Mr. Samuel Browne, Mr. Serjeant Wilde, Mr. Tate, Mr. Mountague, Sir John Hippesley, Sir Arthur Hesilrige, Mr. Selden, Mr. Harvey, Mr. Sayer, Mr. Strode, Sir Charles Egerton, Mr. Rous, Mr. Gell, Mr. Sollicitor, Sir Robert Harley; and unto the Committee of the Revenue, and the Committee of the Navy, joined as to this Business: And are to meet upon it To-morrow in the Afternoon at Two of the Clock, in the Exchequer-Chamber: And have Power to send for Parties, Papers, Witnesses, Records, &c.
Ordered, That the Ordinance for disfranchising divers of the Aldermen of the City of Lincolne, and for settling the Government of that City, be reported To-morrow Morning.
An Ordinance for Ordination of Ministers was this Day read the First and Second time.
And the Question being put, For the Commitment;
It passed with the Negative.
And then the Ordinance, upon the Question, passed: And
Ordered, That the Lords Concurrence be desired herein.
Mr. Rous is appointed to carry it to the Lords.
Ordered, upon the Question, That Colonel Henry Sanderson do forthwith march to London, with his Regiment of Reformadoes; where he is to receive Pay, and Orders for his further Service, or Disbanding, from the Committee of the Three Counties of Berks, Bucks, and Oxon: Who are also hereby appointed to state their Accompts, and give them Certificates thereof.
Ordered, upon the Question, That the Treasurers at Goldsmiths-Hall, London, be, and are hereby, required, injoined and authorized to pay the Monies charged upon them by this House, to be by them issued for Colonel Sanderson's Regiment of Reformadoes, and all other Sums of Money that are, or shall be, by this House, charged upon them, or required to be issued out by them, notwithstanding any Order or Orders of the House of Lords to the contrary: And this House doth Declare, That the said Treasurers shall, for any Sums, that, at any time, they shall issue upon Order of this House, be, by this House, saved harmless, and kept indemnified.
The humble Petition of Thomas Foote and John Kendrick, Aldermen and Sheriffs of the City of London, concerning Sir Thomas Glemham, their Prisoner upon several private Actions, was read.
Ordered, That the Sheriffs of London and Middlesex be hereby required to bring the Body of Sir Thomas Glemham, their Prisoner, to the Bar of this House To-morrow Morning at Nine of the Clock, together with the particular Causes of his Detainer.
Ordered, That Captain Robert Sydney shall have Leave to ship and transport Three Horses from any one Port of this Kingdom, and at one time, into any the Parts beyond the Seas: And that all Officers of the Custom-house, and others whom it may concern, belonging to such Port or Place where the said Horses shall be shipped, do permit the said Captain Sidney to ship and transport the said Three Horses accordingly.
Ordered, That Mr. Speaker do grant a Pass unto Colonel Blague, late Governor of Wallingford, for the Shipping and Transporting of Six Horses from any one Port of this Kingdom, and at one time, into any the Parts beyond the Seas: And that all Officers of the Custom-house, and others whom it may concern, belonging to such Port or Place where the said Six Horses shall be shipped, do permit the said Colonel Blague to ship and transport the said Six Horses accordingly; he paying the Customs and other Dues for the same.
The most humble Petition of William Goodman and Richard Hanson, condemned Prisoners in the Gaol of Aylesbury, was this Day read. And
It is Ordered, That the Justices of Assize and Gaol-delivery, that went the Circuit for the County of Buckingham, by whom the said Prisoners were condemned, do grant a further Reprieve to the Petitioners; this House having ordered, That they shall have their Pardon for the Offences for which they were so condemned.
Ordered, That William Goodman and Richard Hanson, now Prisoners in the Gaol of Aylesbury in the County of Buckingham, and convicted, and condemned to die, at the last Assizes and Goal-delivery held at Aylesbury aforesaid, for the said County, for Felony and Robbery, shall have their Pardon for their said Offences, and for every other Offence, for which they, or either of them, were and are then and there so condemned: And his Majesty's Sollicitor-General is hereby authorized and required to prepare a Bill, containing a Pardon unto the said William Goodman and Richard Hanson, and either of them, for all Offences, whereof they, or either of them, were convicted, and are condemned, at the Assizes and Gaol-delivery aforesaid; together with a Grant unto them, and either of them, of their Estates real and personal, forfeited by reason thereof: Which said Pardon, so prepared, the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England, for the Time being, are hereby likewise authorized and required to cause to be passed in usual Form, under the said Great Seal, accordingly.
The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.
Ordered, That the Reports from the Committee at Goldsmiths-Hall be made To-morrow Morning, the first Business.
Ordered, That the Lancashire Petition be received Tomorrow Morning.
Ordered, That the Petition from the Committee of the County of Derby be read To-morrow Morning.
A General Estimate of the Accompts of the Scottish Army, since their coming into England.
Mr. Stockdale reports the State of the Accompts with the Scotts Army, by way of Estimate: The which was read: And likewise several Exceptions to the General Estimate of the Accompts of the Scottish Army, sent in by the Commissioners of Scotland: The which were both read.
The State of the Accompt with the Scotts Army, by way of Estimate.
The Kingdom of England is Debtor,
Besides what the Scotts Army hath taken from the People of England, by Plunder of Merchandize, Housholdstuff, Horses, Sheep, and other Cattle and Goods; which in Value doth amount unto, if not exceed, any Two of the Sums above-mentioned.
Whereas, by the Estimate sent in by the Scotts Commissioners, the Kingdom of England is charged with several other Sums of Money, amounting, in all, to 937415 £. 6 s. 8 d.: We conceive the same ought not to be demanded of the Kingdom of England in such Manner as is expressed in their Paper; much less that the Kingdom of England is Debtor to them for the same; for the Reasons following:
First, As to the Sum of 87415 £. 6s. 8 d. for the Charge of levying, arming, and bringing together their Forces, furnished with the Train of Artillery, in Readiness to march; by the Fourth Article of the Treaty, it is to be done at the same Rates, as if the Kingdom of Scotland were to raise the Army for their own Affairs: And therefore, until a particular Account be delivered in to the Parliament of England, by which it may appear, what Rates are usual in the Kingdom of Scotland in such Cases; and that the Sum demanded in the Estimate doth not exceed those Rates, the same cannot be charged upon the Kingdom of England.
Secondly, As to the Sums of 300000 £. 130000 £.; by the Fifth Article of the Treaty, it is provided, That if the Scotts shall have just Cause to demand further Satisfaction for their Pains, Hazards, and Charges (the 30000 £. per mensem being not a full monthly Pay for that Army), that then they shall have due Recompence for the same from the Parliament of England, to whom the Justice of the Demand is to be made appear; and then their Pains, Hazards, and Charges, are to be recompensed in a general Way, from the good Will and Kindness of their Brethren of England: But the Surplusage of the said monthly Pay is not to be charged upon the Kingdom of England as Debt to that Army, or to our Brethren of Scotland.
Thirdly, As to the Sums of 40000 £. and 120000 £. demanded for the Levy and Pay of the Earl of Calander's Army; although those Forces were invited, by Order of Parliament, to come in for their Assistance, yet no Treaty nor Establishment being concluded on for settling a particular Pay for them, and their Numbers not increasing the Earl of Leven's Army above the Number of Twenty one thousand Men, contracted for by the Treaty, therefore that Sum ought not to be charged upon the Kingdom of England.
Fourthly, As to the 60000 £. demanded for Interest; there can be no such Demand made, because the Money advanced and paid by the Parliament of England, and the Free-Quarter and Billet, with other Monies taken by the Scotts Army, from time to time, hath supplied their Pay in due Season, according to the Treaty.
Resolved, &c. That this House doth appoint this Paper to be communicated to the Commissioners of Scotland, by the Members of this House that are of the Committee of both Kingdoms, not as an exact Accompt, but as an Estimate.
Resolved, &c. That this House doth appoint, that these Exceptions shall be communicated to the Commissioners of Scotland, by the Members of this House that are of the Committee of both Kingdoms; with a Saving, of makeing further Exceptions hereafter, if Occasion shall be.
The Question being propounded, That the Members of this House that are of the Committee of both Kingdoms, shall have Power to offer unto the Commissioners of Scotland One hundred thousand Pounds, more than the Two hundred thousand Pounds already voted; to be paid unto them at the End of Twelve Months, to be accounted from the End of the Nine Months, whereon the last Fifty thousand Pounds, Part of the said Two hundred thousand Pounds, is ordered to be paid; and to be accounted for Discharge of all Demands from this Kingdom, expressed in their Paper of the Eighteenth of August, if they shall be content therewith; or otherwise, to offer them to come to an Accompt upon the Two hundred thousand Pounds to be paid;
And the Question being propounded, That the Sum of Two hundred thousand Pounds should be inserted into this Question;
The Question was put, That this Question should be now put:
The House was divided.
The Noes went forth.
|Mr. Holles,||Tellers for the Yea:||101.|
|Sir Phil. Stapleton,||With the Yea,|
|Sir Arthur Haselrige,||Tellers for the Noe:||108.|
|Sir Jo. Evelyn of Wiltes,||With the Noe,|
So as the Question passed with the Negative.
The Question being put, That the Sum of One hundred thousand Pounds shall stand in this Question; And
It passed with the Affirmative.
And the Question itself being put;
It is thereupon Resolved, &c. That the Members of this House that are of the Committee of both Kingdoms, shall have Power to offer unto the Commissioners of Scotland One hundred thousand Pounds, more than the Two hundred thousand Pounds already voted; to be paid unto them at the End of Twelve Months, to be accounted from the End of the Nine Months, whereon the last Fifty thousand Pounds, Part of the said Two hundred thousand Pounds, is ordered to be paid; and to be accounted for Discharge of all Demands from this Kingdom, expressed in their Paper of the Eighteenth of August, if they shall be content therewith; or otherwise, to offer them to come to an Accompt upon the Two hundred thousand Pounds to be paid.
Ordered, &c. That the Members of this House that are of the Committee of both Kingdoms, or any Four of them, do confer with the Scotts Commissioners concerning the Estimate and Exceptions this Day read, and ordered to be communicated to them; the Votes made on Friday last, for the Payment of Two hundred thousand Pounds to their Army and Forces; and the Vote made this Day, for Payment to them of One hundred thousand Pounds more than the said former Two hundred thousand Pounds: And that they do desire their Answers thereunto; and report the same To-morrow Morning.
Ordered, &c. That Mr. Giles Greene, a Member of this House, shall have Leave to go into the Country for a Fortnight.
Ordered, &c. That Mr. Armyn, a Member of this House, shall have Leave to go into the Country.
Ordered, &c. That the Ordinance for the County of Chester shall be read To-morrow Morning.