House of Commons Journal Volume 5: 12 May 1647

Pages 168-169

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 5, 1646-1648. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Mercurii, 12 Maii, 1647.


Business to be done.

RESOLVED, &c. That the Report, concerning the Ordinance for borrowing the Two hundred thousand Pounds, be now made; and immediately after that Business, the Business of Jersey; and then the Report concerning the Propositions: And all this to be done before the House rise.

Loan from the City.

Mr. Holles reports the Act of the Common Council, of 8 Maii 1647, upon the last Votes of both Houses then communicated unto them, upon the Proposition of borrowing Two hundred thousand Pounds: The which was read; and was in hæc verba; viz.

Commune Concilium, tent' in Camera Guihald' Civitat' London, octavo die Maii 1647.

THIS Common Council being called, by Order of the Honourable House of Commons, Mr. Holles, and some other Members of that House (being of a Committee employed upon the Proposition from both Houses of Parliament, for the Borrowing of Two hundred thousand Pounds) made their Address hither, and communicated to this Common Council the Votes passed upon the Report or Answer of this Court, touching the said Proposition; and that the House has under Consideration a Proposition for raising a further Sum than the Two hundred thousand Pounds, to give some Satisfaction and Relief to the poorer Sort of People; and now presented in Writing several Votes and Resolutions, concerning the Security and Repayment of the said Money: Upon long Debate, and serious Consideration had of this weighty Business; this Court doth conceive, That the Security offered, viz.

1. The Moiety of all the Compositions made, or to be made, with Delinquents, according to the Orders, Ordinances, or Instructions, of one or both Houses of Parliament already made for compounding with Delinquents at Goldsmiths Hall, after the Engagements already charged upon the said Composition, as, in the Votes 5 Maii, is expressed.

2. The Remainder of the Proceed of the Bishops Lands, after they shall be clear of the present Engagements.

3. The Receipts of the Grand Excise, in Course.

4. The Lands and Estates of Papists in Arms, their just Debts, made before the First of April 1642, being first paid; and excepting former Engagements that have been made by both or either Houses of Parliament; and excepting Impropriations; may be a probable Inducement and Means to raise the Two hundred thousand Pounds: For the Promotion whereof this Court will contribute their best Endeavours.

That all Encouragement may be given the Lenders, for the more speedy Advancement of the said Money, it is humbly propounded and desired by this Court, as formerly, That the Parliament will be pleased to add Thirty thousand Pounds more to the Two hundred thousand Pounds; to be raised and secured in like manner as formerly hath been propounded.

That the said Two hundred thousand Pounds may not be issued, but only for the Disbanding of the Army, and for the Service of Ireland: and that the same may be so declared and expressed in the Ordinance of Parliament, to be drawn and passed by both Houses of Parliament, for the Security and Repayment of the said Monies: This Court doth nominate James Bunce Alderman of the City, Richard Glyde, and Lieutenant Colonel Bromfield, to be humbly presented to both Houses of Parliament, as Treasurers, for the Receiving and Paying of the said Monies to the Uses and Purposes aforesaid; and likewise as Monies shall hereafter grow due unto the respective Lenders, to receive the same, from such several Treasurers as are or shall be appointed for the Purpose; and accordingly to repay the same unto the Lenders.

Ordinance of Supply.

An Ordinance for raising the Sum of Two hundred thousand Pounds, by way of Loan, upon the Securities, by the said Ordinance engaged, for the Service of England, and the Kingdom of Ireland, was this Day read the First and Second time; and, upon the Question committed unto Mr. Holles, Colonel White, Mr. Dodderich, Mr. Gourdon, Mr. Nath. Stephens, Mr. Miles Corbett, Mr. Vaughan, Sir Wm. Massam, Sir Phil. Stapilton, Sir Robert Pye, Sir Wm. Lewes, Sir Wm. Constable, Sir John Clotworthy, Sir Anthony Irby, Mr. Bois, Mr. Walter Long, Mr. Weaver, Sir Thomas Dacres, Sir Walter Erle, Sir John Danvers, Mr. Whitelock, Mr. Swynfen, Mr. Foxwhist, Mr. John Corbett, Mr. Lisle, Mr. Buncley, Mr. Allen, Mr. Drake, Sir Dudley North, Mr. Dormer, Mr. Green, Mr. Ravenscroft, Mr. Love, Mr. Westrow, Mr. Dacres, Mr. Nicoll, Sir Wm. Litton, Mr. Boone, Mr. Hill, Mr. Rigby, Mr. Fowell, Mr. Hoskins, Colonel Harvey: And all that will come, are to have Voices: And they are to meet upon it this Afternoon at Two of Clock, in the Exchequer Chamber: And are to report it To-morrow Morning, the first Business; and nothing to intervene.

Resolved, &c. That the Sum of One Peny in the Pound be allowed to the Treasurers appointed by this Ordinance, for their Pains in the Receiving, Paying, and Issuing out of this Two hundred thousand Pounds, to be now borrowed, and raised by this Ordinance.

Advance from Customs.

An Ordinance for repaying unto the Commissioners of the Customs, the Sum of Six thousand Seven hundred Pounds, advanced and lent by them, for the especial Service of the State, together with Interest for the same, after the Rate of Eight Pounds per Cent. for a Year, during the Time of the Forbearance thereof, was this Day read the First time; and, upon the Question passed; and ordered to be sent unto the Lords for their Concurrence.

Message to Lords.

Mr. Green carried it presently to the Lords: And was to acquaint them, That the Men, Victual, Shipping, Ammunition, Artillery, and all other Things necessary for the Design of Reducing of Jersey, are all ready to be embarqued; and, upon these Considerations, and the Necessities of Jersey, to desire the Lords to expedite their Answer, touching a Commission to Colonel Rainsborough, to command in chief the Forces designed for reducing Jersey: And that this is in no kind a Disposition of the Government.

He also carried to the Lords for their Concurrence, the Order for reimbursing to Mr. Phipp the Sum of Five hundred and odd Pounds, out of the Marquis of Winton's Estate, for which Sir John Danvers stands engaged with the said Marquis: The Order for Mr. Valentine to have the Sum of Five-and-twenty hundred Pounds, out of the Moiety of the Compositions at Goldsmiths Hall, not engaged, &c. towards Reparation of his Damages sustained, for his Service in the Parliament, of tertio Caroli: Two Ordinances for pardoning the Delinquencies, and taking off the Sequestrations of the Estates, of Mr. Rouland Howorth and Mr. Charles Booth.

Leave of Absence.

Ordered, That Mr. Exton, a Member of this House, shall have Leave to go into the Country.

Propositions to the King.

A Proviso to be added to the Propositions, at the End of the Qualification, concerning Delinquents, was this Day read the First and Second time; and, upon the Question, assented unto; and ordered to be added to the Propositions.

"Provided that all and every the Delinquents, which, by or according to the several and respective Ordinances or Orders, made by both or either of the Houses of Parliament, on or before the Four-and-twentieth Day of April 1647, are to be admitted to make their Fines and Compositions, under the Rates and Proportions of the Qualifications aforesaid, shall, according to the said Ordinances and Orders respectively, be thereto admitted: And further also, That no Person or Persons whatsoever, except such Papists as having been in Arms, or voluntarily assisted against the Parliament; having, by concealing their Quality, procured their Admission to Compositions, which have already compounded, or shall hereafter compound, and be thereto admitted by both Houses of Parliament, at any of the Rates and Propositions aforesaid, or under, respectively, shall be put to pay any other Fine than That they have or shall respectively so compound for; except for such Estates, or such Part of their Estates, and for such Values thereof respectively, as have been, or shall be, concealed or omitted in the Particulars whereupon they compound: And that all and every of them shall have thereupon their Pardons, in such Manner and Form, as is agreed by both Houses of Parliament."

And Mr. Lisle is appointed to carry the Propositions, with this Addition, to the Lords.


A Letter from Guernsey, of 7 Aprilis 1647, from the Constables and others of the Town, was this Day read: There was a Petition likewise inclosed: And

It is Ordered, upon the Question, That this Letter and Petition, and the Matters thereupon depending, be referred to the Examination and especial Consideration of the Committee for Complaints: Who are to take it into speedy Consideration: And the Committee has Power to send to the Committee at Derby House, for those Letters, Papers, Examinations, and Informations, that concern this Business. And Mr. Swynfen and Mr. Oxenden are added to This Committee.

Answer from Lords.

Mr. Green brings Answer, That, to the Ordinance concerning the Six thousand Seven hundred Pounds, the Lords will send Answer by Messengers of their own: That he acquainted them with the State and Necessities of Jersey; and of the Provisions for that Isle: That to That Business they will send Answer by Messengers of their own: And likewise to all the rest of the Orders and Ordinances carried by him, unless That for Sir John Holland to return to London, and to go into Hantshire; in which they do concur.

Soldiers at Portesmouth, &c.

Ordered, That Colonel Whitehead and Colonel Norton do write down to Portesmouth and Petersfield, where Colonel Rainsborough's Soldiers are for present quartered; and to assure the Country, that these Soldiers will be, very suddenly, either shipped or removed.

Soldiers in Montgomery.

A Letter from Montgomery, of 7 Maii 1647, from the Committee there, was this Day read: And

It is Ordered, That this Letter be referred to the Consideration of the Members of both Houses at Derby House.

It is further Ordered, That the Informations and Intelligences that my Lord of Cherbery has received from those Parts, be referred likewise to the said Committee: And my Lord of Cherbery is desired to go to That Committee, to give them such Informations as he has received.

Ordered, That Mr. Vaughan do prepare a Letter to be signed by Mr. Speaker, and sent to Colonel Mitton; to acquaint him, What Informations this House has received concerning the Disorders of the Soldiers in Montgomery; and to require him to take such Care as may prevent and suppress all such Disorders; and to quarter such as are to go for Ireland, in such manner as may be most convenient for that Service, and best for the Content and Ease of the County.

Horse in Oxfordshire.

Ordered, That the Committee of the County of Oxon do desray the Expences of keeping the Horse in the County of Oxon, taken by the Sheriff of that County, from the Soldiers there, until some Order shall come for employing of them.