House of Commons Journal Volume 5: 10 November 1647

Pages 354-355

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 5, 1646-1648. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Mercurii, 10 Novembris, 1647.

Army Pay.


THE Grand Committee sat, to proceed in the Consideration of Providing a future constant Pay for the Army.

Colonel White in the Chair.

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.

Letter read.

A Letter from Colonel Michaell Jones, from Dublyn, of 3 Novembris 1647, was read.

Raising Money.

An Ordinance for raising Thirty thousand Pounds for the Service of Ireland, was this Day read the First and Second time.

Resolved, &c. That the Time, in this Ordinance, be altered from Fourteen and Twenty-eight Days, to Twenty and Forty Days.

The Ordinance, so amended, upon the Question, passed; and is ordered to be sent to the Lords for their Concurrence.

An Ordinance for raising Fifty thousand Pounds for the present Service of Ireland, by the Sale of Lands and Tenements in divers Towns and Cities in Ireland, was this Day read the First and Second time; and, upon the Question, re-committed to the same Committee that brought it in: Who are to fill up the Blank in the Ordinance with the Names of such Delinquents as was formerly designed for Ireland, and are not otherwise disposed of.

Soap Business.

Ordered, That the Committee for the Soap Business be revived: And do meet this Afternoon at Two of Clock, at the Place where the Committee of the Army meets: and so de die in diem: And that the Committee for Ireland be added unto it: And that they do agree upon Commissioners to be named in the Ordinance concerning the Soap Business; and report on Saturday next, the first Business.


Ordered, That the Committee where Mr. Sandis has the Chair, be revived; and do meet this Afternoon, in their former accustomed Place; and so de die in diem; and do inquire, What Persons, either Members of the House, or others, had or have any Place or Office, by Grant of the Houses or any Committee of the Houses, only during the Pleasure of the Houses; and receive an Account, What Profit may be made of such Places; And that such Profit as shall accrue out of such Places be employed to the War of Ireland.

Propositions to the King.

Mr. Reynolds brings Answer, That the Lords do agree to the Preamble to the Propositions, as it was now sent from this House.

Letter to the General.

A Letter to be sent to the General, upon the Occasion of some Papers presented to the House Yesterday, subscribed by some Persons of the Army, was read; and, upon the Question, assented unto; and ordered to be signed by Mr. Speaker.

Treasurers for Loan.

Whereas Mr. Pocock and Mr. Greenhill are named Treasurers in the late Ordinance for the Nine hundred Pounds appointed to bereceived out of Weavers Hall: It is now Ordered, That Mr. Pocock, or Mr. Greenhill, be and are appointed Treasurers to receive and issue the said Monies, according to the Purport of the said Ordinance.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Army Pay, &c.

Ordered, That, To-morrow Morning, the first Business, the House do proceed in the Debate and Consideration of the Letter, and Paper inclosed, sent Yesterday from the General.

Raising Money.

Ordered, That Mr. Nathaniell Stephens, Mr. Pury, and Mr. Greene, do take care of putting the Ordinance, now passed, in Execution; and of borrowing and bringing in Moneys upon it.

Irish Affairs.

Ordered, That the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland at Derby House, and the Committee for the Adventurers for Ireland, do meet at such Time and Place as the Committee at Derby House shall appoint; and consider of all fitting Ways and Means for raising and making Provisions for Relief of the Soldiery in Ireland, and carrying on and prosecuting the War there.

Message from Lords.

A Message from the Lords, by Dr. Heath and Mr. Hakewill;

The Lords desire, as they did Yesterday, That the Propositions may be communicated to the Scotts Commissioners To-morrow at Three of Clock post meridiem, by the Members of both Houses that are of the Committee of both Kingdoms.

The Lords have thought fit to acquaint this House with a Letter they have received from the Scotts Commissioners; and that the Lords have appointed a Committee of Ten Lords, whereof Three to be of the Quorum; and desire this House to appoint a Committee of a proportionable Number; to meet To-morrow at Three post meridiem, in the Prince's Lodgings, to consider what Answer to give to the said Letter.-An Order for Continuance of the Committee for the Admiralty and Cinque Ports for four Months longer; and desire the Concurrence of this House.

The Lords desire this House to consider of Mr. Thomas Boyde's Petition, sent by them; that he may, after his long Attendance, and the Recommendation from the Estates of Scotland, have Satisfaction for his Wines taken by Captain Plunkett, and expended by my Lord Inchiquin, for the Army in Munster; and that Captain Plunkett be freed for so doing according to the Report of the Committee of Lords and Commons for Indemnity, sent to this House with Mr. Boyde's Petition.

The Lords do recommend to the Consideration of this House Captain Thomas Wilkinson's Petition.

Propositions to the King.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth agree with the Lords, That the Propositions be communicated to the Scotts Commissioners To-morrow at Three of Clock, by the Members of both Houses that are of the Committee of both Kingdoms.

Scotts Commissioners.

Resolved, &c. That, as to that Part of the Message that concerns a Committee to be appointed to consider what Answer to give to the Letter from the Scotts Commissioners, the House will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Ordered, That, on Friday Morning next, the first Business, the House do take into Consideration the Letter from the Scotts Commissioners, of 5 Novembris 1647.

Nominating Sheriffs.

Ordered, That the Knights and Burgesses of the several Counties, Cities, Boroughs, and Cinque Ports, do meet, and agree upon the Names of fit Persons to be the respective Sheriffs of the several Counties: And that they do present the Names of Three fitting Persons, for every respective County, to the House, on Wednesday next, for the Choice and Approbation of the House of such as they shall think fit to nominate Sheriffs. And

It is Ordered, That Mr. Speaker do, on Wednesday next, put the House in mind of this Order.


Resolved, &c. That this House doth concur with the Lords, That the Committee of Lords and Commons for the Admiralty and Cinque Ports shall be continued for Four Months from the Date hereof, according to the Powers formerly granted.

Boyd's Claims.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Members of this House that are of the Committee of Indemnity, or any Three of them, to inquire after and inform themselves of the Quantity and Quality of the Wines belonging to Mr. Boyd; and whether they were employed by the Lord Inchiquin for the Use of the Parliament's Army in Munster; and to value the said Wines; and to consider, How Satisfaction may be made to Mr. Thomas Boyde, for so much Monies as shall be made appear to be due unto the said Mr. Thomas Boyde for the said Wines. And that they do prepare and bring in an Ordinance for giving him Satisfaction accordingly.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee of Indemnity, according to the Power given to that Committee, to free and discharge the Suit, commenced by Mr. Thomas Boyde against Captain Thomas Plunkett, for a Ship and Wines taken by the said Captain Plunkett, that were belonging to the said Mr. Thomas Boyde; and to free the said Captain Plunkett from any Molestation; arising unto him, upon the Occasion of taking the said Wines, if they shall find Cause so to do.

Bishops Lands.

Ordered, That all the Lawyers of the House be added to the Committee appointed to consider of removing Obstructions in the Sale of Bishops Lands.

Wilkinson's Petition.

Ordered, That the Petition of Captain Thomas Wilkinson, of Bradford, in the County of York, be referred to the Consideration of the Committee for the Northern Association; to consider of and inquire into the Truth of the Matters suggested in the Petition, and to consider of some Way for his Relief; and to report their Opinions thereupon to the House.

Answer to Lords.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House hath considered their Lordships Message: And do agree, That the Propositions to be sent to the King be communicated to the Scotts Commissioners, in manner as is desired; and to the Continuance of the Committee of Admiralty for Four Months longer.

St. Thomas' Hospital.

Ordered, That the humble Petition of the Governors of St. Thomas' Hospital, in Southwark, be referred to the Consideration of the Committee of Lords and Commons for the Excise; to give Relief to the Petitioners, in such Manner as they shall think fit.

Munster Officers Indemnity.

Ordered, That a Letter be written to the President and Officers in Munster, to signify unto them the Resolution of this House for their Indemnity, as to the Remonstrance lately framed by the said Officers in Munster: And that it be referred to the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland at Derby House, to prepare a Letter to this Purpose; and to report it to the House.