House of Commons Journal Volume 5: 22 November 1647

Pages 365-366

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 5, 1646-1648. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Lunæ, 22 Novembris, 1647.


Army Pay.

THE Grand Committee sat to proceed in the Consideration of providing Money for the Army.

Colonel White in the Chair.

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.

Ordered, That To-morrow Morning, the House do take into Consideration to provide a constant future Pay for the Army, by making an additional Pay to the Assessments of Sixty thousand Pounds per mensem: to the end no Free Quarter may be taken.

Information against Roper.

Sir Robert Pye, Sir Henry Cholmley, Mr. Grimston, Mr. Gell, Colonel White, Mr. Hill, Mr. Heveningham, Sir Walter Erle, Mr. Bois, Mr. Dove, Mr. Sam. Browne, Mr. Ellis, Mr. Erle, Colonel Morley, Mr. Dodderiche, Mr. Scott, Sir Wm. Allenson, Mr. Bond;

This Committee, or any Three of them, are appointed to examine the whole State of the Business, upon the Information concerning one Mrs. Roper, who is informed to be a Nun, levying a Fine, &c. or one in her Name, with the Circumstances of it; and to report the State of the whole Matter to the House, together with their Opinions upon it, To-morrow Morning: And are to meet this Afternoon at Three of Clock, in the Inner Court of Wards: And have Power to send for Parties, Witnesses, Papers Records.

Col. Rainborough.

Resolved, &c. That the Committee to whom the Examination of the Business concerning Colonel Rainborough is referred, shall have Power to examine Colonel Rainborough in his own Case.

London Arrears, &c.

The House being informed, That divers Aldermen and Common Councilmen were at the Door, desiring to represent something to the House;

They were called in: And Alderman Fooke, amongst other Things, acquainted the House, That he was commanded to make Acknowledgment of the great Favour received by the timely Diversion and Prevention of the Coming of the Forces appointed by the General to come in, and quarter in . . . about the City; and to return all humble Thanks to both Houses for it: Then delivered a Paper containing the Message they were employed upon.

The which (the Aldermen and Common Councilmen being withdrawn) was read.

Sir John Evelyn of Wiltes, Mr. Reynolds, Sir Henry Vane junior, and Mr. Annesley are appointed to withdraw presently, to prepare an Answer to be given to the City of London.

The Answer reported from the Committee to be given to the Citizens, was read; and was, upon the Question, assented unto; and ordered to be delivered unto them by Mr. Speaker.

The Citizens were again called in: And Mr. Speaker, by the Command of the House, gave them this Answer;

That the Parliament has done what they judged fit for bringing in the Arrears of the City: That they are very much unsatisfied with the Slowness of Proceedings is that Business: That it will be of very ill Example to the whole Kingdom, and may have many ill Consequences: That they cannot but expect the Performance of the Commands of Parliament, by those that are intrusted and concerned in that Service: And do require, that speedy and effectual Course may be taken in it.

Message to Lords.

Sir Walter Erle went to the Lords with the Names of the Servants to attend the King.

He was to put them in mind of the Ordinance concerning Tonage and Poundage.

Propositions to the King.

Ordered, That the Members of both Houses, that are of the Committee of both Kingdoms, do this Afternoon meet and press the Scotts Commissioners for their positive Answer, touching their joining to present the Propositions to the King, according to such Votes as have been formerly communicated unto them.

Ordered, That the Lords Concurrence be desired herein.

Sir Walter Erle carried it to the Lords; together with the other Parts of his Message.

Sir Walter Erle brings Answer, That the Lords will send Answer to all the Particulars of this Message by Messengers of their own.

Proceedings concerning Athburnham, &c.

A Letter from the General, from Windsore of 21 Novembris 1647, was read; concerning a Letter he had received from Colonel Hamond, touching the sending up Mr. John Ashburnham, Sir John Barkley, and Colonel Wm. Legge.

A Letter from Colonel Robert Hammond, Governor of the Isle of Wight, from Carisbrooke Castle, of 19 Novembris 1647, concerning the same Business, touch . . . Ashburnham, Legge, and Barkley, was likewise read.

The Question was propounded, That the House shall now insist upon, and renew their Orders and Commands to Colonel Hamond, concerning the sending up Mr. Ashburnham, Mr. Legge, and Sir John Barkley:

And the Question being put, Whether this Question shall be now put;

It passed with the Negative.