Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 6, 1648-1651. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.
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Wednesday, the 21st of May, 1651.
Parliaments and Elections.
THE House, according to former Order, was this Day resolved into a Grand Committee, upon the Heads of a Bill for future Parliaments, and for regulating Elections.
Mr. Speaker left the Chair.
Mr. Say took the Chair.
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.
Wednesday, the 21st of May, 1651.
THE humble Petition of Dorcas Maulyverer, the Relict of Colonel John Maulyverer, deceased, was this Day read.
The Lord General Cromwell's Letter from Edenburgh, the Eight-and-twentieth of December 1650, touching the Widow of Colonel John Mauliverer, was this Day read.
Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee of the Army, to consider of so much of the said Petition as concerns the Debt from Colonel John Maulyverer to the Inhabitants of Hull; and to examine the Truth of it; and state the Business to the House.
Ordered, That it be likewise referred to the Committee of the Army, to consider of the Arrears due to the said Colonel John Mauliverer; and how the same are secured; and to state the Business; and report it to the House.
The Question being put, That the other Part of the Petition, concerning Reparation for the Losses of the said Colonel Maliverer be referred to the said Committee; to consider thereof; and report to the House;
The House was divided.
The Yeas went forth.
|Lieut. Gen. Fleetwood,||Tellers for the Yeas:||32.|
|Lord Grey,||With the Yeas,|
|Mr. Bond,||Tellers for the Noes:||26.|
|Ld. Commissioner Lisle,||With the Noes,|
So it passed with the Affirmative.
Resident from Tuscany.
Resolved, That a Committee be appointed to give Audience to the Resident from the Grand Duke of Tuscany.
Resolved, That the Number be Eleven; viz. Mr. Dormer, Sir Henry Mildmay, Lord Mounson, Lord Grey, Lord Viscount Lisle, Lord Commissioner Whitelock, Sir Thomas Wroth, Mr. Attorney, Mr. Bond, Mr. Holland, Mr. Hill.
Resolved, That the Letters Credential from the said Duke be delivered to the said Committee.
Late King's Property.
Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee for Whitehall, to examine in whose Hands any the Goods of the late King, Queen, and Prince, which are exposed to Sale, now are: And likewise, to enquire where such of those Goods as are appointed for the Service of the Commonwealth are; and how they are disposed of; and to take care that they be brought into one publick Wardrobe: And that Mr. Say, Mr. Lechmere, Mr. Cawley, Mr. Long, Mr. Pierepoint, Major Salwey, Colonel Sidney, Mr. Clement, Colonel Lister, Sir Michaell Livesey, Mr. Trenchard, Mr. Darley, Mr. Love, Mr. Bond, Mr. Herbert, Mr. Brewster, Mr. Gould, Mr. West, Mr. Whiltacre, Mr. Leman, Mr. Henry Nevill, Mr. Robert Goodwyn, Mr. Millington, Mr. Dormer, Colonel Downes, Mr. Wilde, Mr. Dove, Sir Wm. Brerelon, Mr. Burrell, Mr. Edwards, Sir John Dancers, Sir John Trevor, be added to the said Committee.
Resolved, That it be referred to the same Committee, to ascertain the Goods that are to remain to the Use of the State; and inventory them; and report it to the House, for their Approbation.
Ld. Herbert, &c.
Mr. Say reports from the Committee to whom the Business touching the Lands of the Earl of Worcester, settled on the Lord General Cromwell, and the Delinquency of the Lord Herbert of Ragland, ..... The Depositions touching the said Lord Herbert, on the Behalf of the State; and the cross Examinations, by the Lord Herbert: And likewise, the State of the Case touching divers Lands settled on the Lord General Cromwell, and his Heirs.
IN pursuance of an Order of Parliament 23 Aprilis 1651, made on the Petition of Henry Lord Herbert of Ragland; we have caused the Charge against the Petitioner, and the Proofs thereon, to be certified to us; and do find, that it is charged, and proved,
That the Petitioner was seen in Oxford, riding with a Sword by his Side, when it was a Garision for the late King.
And, on the Petitioner's Part, we do find proved, That, at his being in Oxon, he was but Twelve Years old: And that his Father commanded his Tutor to carry him thither, with the Intent to have him Knighted, to save his Wardship: And that, while he was there, he never rid in any Troop, either as Officer or Soldier: And that the Sword he then wore was but the same he had worn from his Age of Eight Years: And that, during all the Time of his Abode there, he was employed at his Book, and at Tennis, and other Recreations, with Children.
That the Petitioner was seen in Newent, a Place 7 Miles distant from Gloucester, where the King's Party kept their Quarters when Gloucester was besieged: And that he was seen placed the First Right-hand Man in a Troop of Horse, in a Meadow near Gloucester, while the said City of Gloucester was besieged by the late King's Party.
And, on the Petitioner's Part, we find proved, That, when he was at Newent, he was but Thirteen Years old: And that he was carried thither by his Tutor; to whose Rod he was then so far subject, as that he was often seen to shed Tears, at that Age, when his Tutor reprehended him: And that his Father commanded him to be placed in his Troop, at that time only, when the late King viewed it: And that, the very next Day, his Tutor, by his Father's Command, carried him back to Ragland, to follow his Book: And that, all this while, he was in so passive a Condition, under his Tutor, that it was an Enforcement to him to be any where with him: That he never acted, either as Officer or Soldier; nor ever was present at any Fight, or Skirmish, between the Parliament and the late King's Forces: That, for Age, Strength, and Stature, he was, at that time, incompatible with Soldiery: And, before he came to an Age or Capacity of bearing Arms, he was sent away with his Tutor beyond Sea, to travel; where he continued, from October 1644, till the Year 1650.
All which Circumstances we do find at large, and fully expressed, in the Depositions.
The State of the Case of the Lord Herbert of Ragland.
Manors and Lordships of Tidenham in the County of Gloucester; Chepstow Barton and Hardwick Chepstow, Burgus, and Frythwood, in the County of Monmouth; the Seigniory of Gower in the County of Glamorgan; by force of Two several Indentures, one of them dated 3 Junii 3° Caroli, the other dated 10 Novembris 1631, for good and valuable Considerations, in the said Indentures mentioned, were settled upon the Earl of Worcester, for and during his Life only; the Remainder thereof to the said Lord Herbert, and the Heirs Males of his Body; with divers Remainders over: Which said Lordships and Manors are, by Act of this present Parliament, settled upon the Lord General Cromwell, and his Heirs; and are of the yearly Value of One thousand Seven hundred and Seven Pounds Fifteen Shillings and Two-pence.
And that the Manors of Monmouth, Wisham, Pelleny, Purcasseck, Trellacks Grange, the Demesnes of Grosmond, Skewfreth, and Monmouth, Bettus, and Per Lloyd, in the County of Monmouth, the Manor of Crookham in the County of Berks, the Manor of Kendall in the County of Westmorland, the Manor of Shopden in the County of Hereford, by force of several Conveyances thereof made, are settled upon the Earl of Worcester, and the Heirs Males of his Body; with divers Remainders over: All which said Manors and Lands are forfeited, for Treason of the said Earl; and are in the Power of the Parliament, to settle or dispose of; and are of the yearly Value of One thousand Seven hundred Pounds Twelve Shillings and Six-pence.
Lands disposed of by the Parliament to my Lord General Cromwell, and entailed on my Lord Herbert:
The Question being put, That the House do take into Debate the Business of Delinquency, concerning the Lord Herbert of Ragland;
It passed with the Negative.
Resolved, That it be sent back to the Commissioners for Compounding, to proceed touching the Point of Delinquency charged on the Lord Herbert of Ragland; and give Judgment therein; and to report their Judgment, and the Grounds of it, to the Parliament forthwith.
Agent from Tuscany.
The Lord Commissioner Whitelock reports, The Proceedings of the Committee appointed to give Audience to the Agent of the Grand Duke of Tuscany; with the civil Department of the said Agent; and his Speech, read by him, and delivered by him to the said Committee.
Which was first read by the Reporter; and after read by the Clerk.
Ordered, That it be referred to the Council of State to give Audience to the said Resident from the Grand Duke of Tuscany, as often as there shall be Occasion: And that Sir Oliver Fleming, Master of the Ceremonies, do acquaint him with this Order.