Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 85, 1830. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London.
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Jovis, 1 die Julii;Anno 1° Willielmi IV ti Regis, 1830.
Members take Oaths.
Buckle's Estate Bill, reported, with Amendments.
Mr. Curteis reported from the Committee on the ingrossed Bill from the Lords, intituled, An Act to enable John Buckle, Esquire, or other Committee of the Estate of William Buckle, a Lunatic, for and in the name and on behalf of the said William Buckle, to consent to the exercise of a Power of Sale over Estates settled on the said William Buckle for his life, and which Power is exercisable with the consent of the said William Buckle; That they had examined the allegations of the Bill, and found the same to be true; and that the parties concerned had given their consent to the Bill to the satisfaction of the Committee, and that they had gone through the Bill, and made several Amendments thereunto; and the Amendments were read, and are as followeth;
Port Crommelin Harbour Bill, reported.
Lord Viscount Castlereagh reported from the Committee on the Bill for establishing and maintaining the Harbour of Port Crommelin, in the Bay of Cushenden, in the County of Antrim; That they had examined the allegations of the Bill, and found the same to be true; and had gone through the Bill, and made several Amendments thereunto; and the Amendments were read, and agreed to by the House.
Rye Harbour Bill, reported.
Sir George Cockburn reported from the Committee on the Bill to amend an Act passed in the 41st year of his late Majesty King George the Third, intituled, "An Act for more effectually improving and maintaining the old Harbour of Rye, in the County of Sussex," and to appoint new Commissioners, and to enable the Commissioners to raise additional Funds on the Tolls by way of Mortgage or otherwise; That the Standing Orders relative to Harbour Bills, had been complied with, pursuant to the leave granted by the House on the 10th day of June last; and that they had examined the allegations of the Bill, and found the same to be true; and had gone through the Bill, and made several Amendments thereunto; and the Amendments were read, and agreed to by the House.
Committee on Mildmay's Divorce Bill.
The House, according to Order, resolved itself into a Committee of the whole House, upon the ingrossed Bill from the Lords, intituled, An Act to dissolve the Marriage of Captain Edward Saint John Mildmay with Marianne Catherine his now Wife, and to enable him to marry again, and for other purposes therein mentioned; and, after some time spent therein, Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr. Western reported from the Committee, That they had heard counsel, and examined witnesses for the Bill; and that no counsel or party appeared before the Committee to oppose the Bill; and that they had gone through the Bill, and made an Amendment thereunto; and the Amendment was read, and is as followeth;
Holyhead Roads Bill, deferred.
Resolved, That this House will, upon Monday next, resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, upon the Bill to alter and amend several Acts for the improvement of the Roads from London to Holyhead, and from London to Liverpool, and for the further improvement of the said Roads.
Duke of Bedford's Estate Bill, reported with an Amendment.
Mr. Byng reported from the Committee on the ingrossed Bill from the Lords, intituled, An Act for prohibiting Burying and Funeral Service in a Chapel of Ease intended to be built for the Parish of Saint George, Bloomsbury, in the County of Middlesex; That they had examined the allegations of the Bill, and found the same to be true; and that the parties concerned had given their consent to the Bill, to the satisfaction of the Committee; and that they had gone through the Bill, and made an Amendment thereunto; and the Amendment was read, and is as followeth;
Clause (A.) "And be it further Enacted, That if any person in holy orders, or pretended holy orders, or any undertaker, conductor of funerals, sexton or other person shall perform any funeral service, or any part of such service, or inter, bury, place or bring any corpse, or permit or cause any corpse to be interred, buried, placed or brought, or make or permit, or cause to be made, any grave vault or other place for the interment burial or placing of the dead contrary to the directions of this Act, every person so offending shall forfeit and pay for every such his offence the sum of One hundred pounds, to be recovered, with full costs of suit, by any person who shall inform or sue for the same, by action of debt or otherwise, one moiety of every such forfeiture to be to the use of our Sovereign Lord the King, His heirs and successors, and the other moiety to the use of such person as shall inform or sue for the same."
Meltham Inclosure Bill, presented.
Sir Robert Wilson presented a Bill to amend an Act of his late Majesty, intituled, An Act for inclosing Lands in the Manor of Meltham, in the Parish of Almondbury, in the West Riding of the County of York: And the same was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time To-morrow.
Surrey Coal Meters Bill, deferred.
Ordered, That the Bill to continue an Act passed in the ninth year of His present Majesty's reign, to enable His Majesty's Justices of the Peace for the County of Surrey to nominate and appoint two or more Persons to act as principal Land Coal Meters within and for the several Places therein mentioned, be read a second time Tomorrow.
Petition complaining of Distress in Ireland.
A Petition of Inhabitants of New Ross, in the county of Wexford, was presented, and read; complaining of the great distress prevailing in Ireland, and particularly in the town wherein the Petitioners reside; and praying the House to take the subject into consideration, and to afford such prompt relief as the pressure of the times so loudly and imperatively calls for.
Petition against Assimilation of Stamp Duties (Ireland.)
A Petition of Inhabitants of the town of Longford, parish of Templemichael, was presented, and read; setting forth, That the Petitioners, placing every confidence in the House, delayed making any remonstrance as to the injurious effects evidently consequent on the intended measures of assimilating the Taxes of Ireland with those of England until it has been avowed on the part of Government, that His Majesty's Ministers have resolved on persevering, if possible, to carry them into effect; and praying the House to consider the same, as they are aware, that if present affairs be fairly calculated, the result must be the means of averting Irish distress and discontent, and consequently increasing the moral and physical strength of the United Kingdom.
Petitions against increase of Duties on Spirits and Stamps (Ireland.)
A Petition of Inhabitants of the parish of Hillsborough, as also of that part of the parish of Blaris which is connected with Hillsborough, in the county of Down;-and, of Householders of the parish of Saint Mark, in the city of Dublin,-were presented, and read; praying the House to reject the menaced enactments in relation to Spirits and Stamps in Ireland.
Returns, &c. presented: Slave Population. No. 582.
Mr. Secretary Sir George Murray presented to the House, Return to an Address to His Majesty, dated the 25th day of May, in the last Session of Parliament, for a Return, from all the Slave Colonies belonging to the Crown, including the Cape of Good Hope and the Mauritius, of the Population, distinguished into white, free black and coloured, and Slaves; distinguishing the Sexes, with the Births and Deaths in each class; and giving the Returns of the Slave Population as they stand both in the Registries and in the Tax Rolls of the different Colonies, from 1st January 1825, and continued to the latest period.
Slaves (Trinidad, &c.) No. 583.
Return to an Address to His Majesty, dated the 3d day of June, in the last Session of Parliament, for An Account of the steps taken by His Majesty's Government for carrying into effect the measure recommended by the Commissioners appointed by His Majesty, for inquiring into the claims to Freedom of the Descendants of the Native Indians at Honduras.
Return to an Address to His Majesty, dated the 3d day of June, in the last Session of Parliament, for Copy of the Information on which Lieutenant-Colonel Young, the Protector of Slaves in Demerara, proceeded in assigning as a proper and moderate task for a Slave hired to labour on the Sunday in picking Coffee, sixty pounds weight.
Return to several Addresses to His Majesty, dated the 3d day of June, in the last Session of Parliament, for Reports of the Superintendent of the Free American Blacks to the Governor of Trinidad, of the punishment inflicted on them by his authority; specifying the offences committed, from 1st January 1824 to the latest period:- Copy of the Correspondence and other proceedings connected with a license granted by the Governor of Trinidad, about the month of April 1827, to Jean Louis Mare, to import into that Island sixteen Slaves from the Island of Monos, together with the names, sex, and age of the said Slaves:-and, number of Slaves imported into Trinidad from the Bahamas, belonging to Mr. Burton Williams, since 1st January 1822; specifying the date of each importation, and the number of each sex above and below fourteen years of age, imported at each such date, with certified extracts from the Registry of the Island of Trinidad; of all entries referring to such Slaves so imported, or since born, to the latest period, including all births, deaths and transfers, with their dates, from their first arrival on the Island to the present time.
Hottentots. No. 584.
Return to an Address to His Majesty, dated the 7th day of June last, for Copies of all Reports of His Majesty's Commissioners of Inquiry, relating to the condition of the Hottentots, Bushmen, Caffres, and other native tribes of South Africa; their intercourse and relations with the Colony of the Cape; the system of policy pursued towards them by the local Government and by the Colonists, especially on the frontiers; the progress among them of Christian Missions and of Civilization.
Convicts (New South Wales.) No. 585.
Return to several Addresses to His Majesty, dated the 11th day of June last, for a Return of the number of Applications made to the Land Board in New South Wales, in each year, from 1826 to 1828 inclusive, for Convicts as servants; stating the number of Applications made, the number complied with, and the number of Applications rejected, and how many Convicts were assigned in each year; also, a Return of the Expense of the Land Board and its establishment in that year, stating the Name, Office, and amount of Salary and Allowances of each Officer:-a Statement of the number of Convicts employed by the Government of New South Wales in the Garden Gang, the Lumber-yard Gang, and the Public Works, in the year 1828; stating the number kept at each place, and distinguishing the number of Mechanics from Labourers, as far as the same can be complied with:- and, a Return of the average number of Female Convicts confined in the Factory at Paramatta, in each month, in the years 1827 and 1828; distinguishing the number under Punishment, and the number assignable as Servants; stating the total Expense of that Establishment, and the average Charge or Rate per head in each year.
Offices in the Colonies. No. 587.
Return to an Address to His Majesty dated the 11th day of June last, for a Return of the number of Persons in the Colony of New South Wales, in the Civil and Military Departments, who in the year 1828 held two or more Offices, and received two or more Salaries, or who received Full or Half-pay, Superannuation or Retired Allowances, Pension, or other Emoluments, along with his Salary; stating the Name of each Person, the Offices he holds, and the Amount received by him for each such Office, Full or Half-pay, Retired or Superannuated Allowances, Pensions, or Grants; and stating also, the date on which the Appointment or Grant of each was made.
New South Wales. No. 586.
Mr. Secretary Sir George Murray also presented to the House, by His Majesty's command,-New South Wales Papers, explanatory of the Charges brought against Lieutenant-General Darling, by William Charles Wentworth, Esquire.
Answer to Address.
Lord Francis Leveson Gower reported to the House, That their Address of Tuesday last to His Majesty, "To assure His Majesty, that this House cordially sympathizes with His Majesty in the deep affliction in which His Majesty has been involved by the death of His lamented Brother the late King, and humbly to condole with His Majesty on the loss of a Sovereign so justly dear to His Majesty and to His People:
"To express to His Majesty the grateful sense which we entertain of the blessings which this nation has enjoyed under the reign of his late Majesty, from the continuance of peace, and from the anxious efforts of His Majesty to encourage the Arts, to extend the Commerce, and to advance the general welfare of the Country:
"To beseech His Majesty to accept our cordial congralations on His Majesty's Accession to the Throne of His Ancestors, and to assure His Majesty of our ardent attachment to His Majesty's Person and Government, and of our sincere conviction that the reign of His Majesty will be distinguished by a constant endeavour, under the blessing of Divine Providence, to maintain the Religion, the Laws, and the Liberties of this Kingdom, and to promote the happiness of His faithful People," had been presented to His Majesty; and that His Majesty was pleased to receive the same very graciously, and to give the following Answer;
The assurance that the House of Commons sympathizes with Me in My affliction on account of the death of My beloved Brother, his late Majesty, and that it justly estimates the loss which, in common with My faithful Subjects, I have sustained by that sad event, are gratifying and consolatory to My feelings:
The House of Commons may be assured, that the first object of My life shall be to maintain inviolate the Rights and Liberties of My People, to support the National Honour, and to promote the welfare of all classes of My Subjects. W. R.
Petitions for abolishing Slavery.
A Petition of Inhabitants of Nafferton;-of Bainton; -and, of Individuals forming the Committee of a Voluntary Society, styling itself, "The Society for the abolition of Slavery throughout the British Dominions," meeting in London,-were presented, and read; praying the House, in the exercise of its paramount authority, to adopt immediate measures for the amelioration and total extinction of Slavery throughout the British colonies.
Petitions of Danish Claimants.
A Petition of Nathaniel Wathen, of Hunter-street, Brunswick-square, in the county of Middlesex, surviving partner of the late firm of Samuel and Nathaniel Wathen, of Stroud, in the county of Gloucester, Woollen Manufacturers and Merchants;-of Directors of the Chamber of Manufactures and Commerce at Birmingham;-and, of Merchants and Manufacturers of Leeds,-were presented, and read; complaining of losses to a considerable amount sustained by British Merchants, from the confiscation of their property and book-debts by the Danish Government, in the year 1807, consequent upon the attack on Copenhagen, by the fleet of His Britannick Majesty, under the command of Admiral Lord Gambier; stating the particulars of their claims; and praying, That the House will be pleased to take the premises into their serious consideration, with a view to grant such relief to the sufferers as to the House shall seem meet.
Petition for repeal of Purish Vestries Act (Ireland.)
A Petition of the Catholic Inhabitants and Parishioners of Dungarvan, in the county of Waterford, was presented, and read; reciting the Act 7 Geo. 4, c. 72, for the regulation of Parish Vestries in Ireland; and praying, That the same may be repealed.
Petitions for abolishing practice of burning Widows in India.
A Petition of Inhabitants of Prescot;-of Members of the Church and Congregation assembling for divine worship in the Independent Chapel at Saint Helen's; -and, at Walmsley,-were presented, and read; praying the House to adopt such further measures as may effectually secure the abolition of the practice in India of burning Widows on the funeral piles of their husbands.
Parish Vestries Bill, reported. No. 588.
Mr. Hobhouse reported from the Committee on the Bill for the regulation of Parish Vestries, and for lighting and watching Towns in England and Wales; That they had examined the allegations of the Bill, and found the same to be true; and had gone through the Bill, and made several Amendments thereunto; and the Report was brought up, and read.
Petition respecting Trade in Molasses.
A Petition of the Chamber of Commerce of Greenock, incorporated by Royal Charter, was presented, and read; setting forth, That the Petitioners have observed, from the public prints, that it is contemplated by His Majesty's Government to reduce the rate of Duty on Muscovado Sugar, while it is not proposed to make any alteration on the present Duty on West India Molasses; that the merchants there are deeply interested in the Molasses trade, there being at present no less than seven thousand puncheons laying in the bonded warehouses at that port; and they view with considerable alarm the proposed reduction on the Duty on Sugars, unless accompanied with a proportionate reduction on that chargeable on Molasses; the two commodities are brought into close competition, and, as the respective Duties stand at present, the Molasses trade has, for some years at least, proved a very unprofitable one, so as to produce on the minds of the bestinformed merchants the opinion, that the Duty already bears too high a proportion to that on Sugar, and, if the present measure were carried through, it would be attended with the effect of utterly ruining many respectable merchants, who have largely imported Molasses on the faith of the present scale of Duty being maintained; the Petitioners would not be understood to offer the slightest opposition to the proposed reduction of the Sugar Duty, but they respectfully suggest, that that measure should be accompanied with an equitable and proportionate reduction of the Duty on Molasses; and praying the House to take the subject into their consideration, and place the Molasses trade on a footing with that in Sugar.
Petitions against additional Churches Bill.
A Petition of rated Inhabitant householders of the parish of Saint Mary, Lambeth, was presented, and read; taking notice of the Bill to amend and render more effectual the Acts for the building of additional Churches in populous Parishes; and praying, That they may be heard by their counsel or agents against certain parts thereof.
A Petition of Inhabitants of Hanley and Shelton, in the parish of Stoke-upon-Trent;-and, of Ralph Bourne, of Hilderstone Hall, in the county of Stafford, Esquire, - were also presented, and read; taking notice of the said Bill; and praying, That the same may not pass into a law as it now stands.
Petition of Rowland Milner.
A Petition of Rowland Milner, late a Lieutenant in His Majesty's Royal Navy, was presented, and read; complaining of his dismissal from the Service, and of certain documents forwarded by him to the Admiralty not having been returned to him; stating the particulars of his case; and praying, That the House will appoint a Committee for the purpose of inquiring into the reasons why he has been dismissed from His Majesty's Navy, and also why the said documents, having reference to the said dismissal, are withheld from him.
Registrar at Madras Bill, deferred.
Resolved, That this House will, To-morrow, resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, upon the Bill for the Relief of the Representatives of Persons who have died intestate in the Presidency of Madras in the East Indies, and for the Relief of the Suitors of the Supreme Court of Judicature at Madras aforesaid.
Petition referred to a Committee.
Ordered, That the Petition of Principal Dealers in the Pork and Provision Trade in the city of Dublin, respecting the Pig Market, which was presented to the House upon the 5th day of April last, be referred to the Select Committee on Tolls and Customs (Ireland).
Petition against Stamp Duty on Deeds and Securities.
A Petition of Trustees and Creditors of the Turnpike Roads leading to and from Tiverton, was presented, and read; setting forth, That the Money advanced on the credit of the Tolls of Turnpike Roads, is usually advanced in small sums of 50£ each, for the greater convenience of the lender disposing of the same to others; that the expense of making the transfer by assignment under the General Turnpike Act, of a security on the tolls for the sum of 50£. only, together with the high Stamp Duty of 35s. on the transfer, amounts to the sum of 3£. at the least, and that this expense must be incurred and borne by the holder of every 50£. security so often as the same is sold and transferred; and praying, That the grievance hereinbefore stated, be removed by a new enactment of the Legislature, that the deeds or securities to be hereafter issued by the Trustees of Turnpike Roads may be made payable to the bearer, and be made transferable by delivery only, and that the tax of the Stamp Duty thereon be repealed.
Report Ways and Means.
Sir Alexander Grant reported from the Committee of the whole House, to whom it was referred to consider further of Ways and Means for raising the Supply granted to His Majesty, the Resolutions which they had directed him to report to the House; and the same were read, and are as followeth;
1. Resolved, That it is the opinion of this Committee, that, towards raising the Supply granted to His Majesty, there shall be charged, for a time to be limited, the following Duties upon Sugar imported into the United Kingdom; (that is to say)
2. Resolved, That it is the opinion of this Committee, that, in lieu of the Duties now charged on Molasses, the produce of, and imported from any British Plantation, there shall be charged, for a time to be limited, a Duty of Nine shillings for every hundred weight thereof.
3.Resolved, That it is the opinion of this Committee, that eight-tenth parts of the Bounties on Sugar, granted by an Act of the sixth year of his late Majesty, for granting Bounties and Allowances of Customs, shall be further continued.
4. Resolved, That it is the opinion of this Committee, that, towards raising the Supply granted to His Majesty, the sum of Thirteen million six hundred and seven thousand six hundred pounds, be raised by Exchequer Bills, for the service of the year 1830.
|The House divided.|
|The Noes went forth.|
|Tellers for the Yeas,||Sir George Clerk,||68.|
|Mr. George Dawson:|
|Tellers for the Noes,||Mr. Charles Pallmer,||38.|
So it was resolved in the Affirmative; and the said Resolution was agreed to by the House. Then the subsequent Resolutions of the Committee, being read a second time, were agreed to by the House. Ordered, That a Bill be brought in upon the first, second, and third of the said Resolutions: And that Sir Alexander Grant, Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer, Lord Granville Somerset, Lord Eliot, Mr. George Bankes, Mr. Attorney General, Mr. Solicietor General, Mr. George Dawson, and Mr. Planta do prepare, and bring it in. Ordered, That a Bill be brought in upon the last of the said Resolutions: And that the same Gentlemen do prepare, and bring it in.
The Lords have agreed to Transportation of Offenders Bill, with Amendments.
A Message from the Lords, by Mr. Cox and Mr. Stephen: Mr. Speaker, The Lords have agreed to the Bill, intituled, An Act to amend an Act passed in the fifth year of His present Majesty, for the Transportation of Offenders from Great Britain, and for punishing Offences committed by Transports kept to labour in the Colonies, with some Amendments; to which Amendments the Lords desire the concurrence of this House: And also,
Amendments to Hall's Estate Bill.
The Lords have agreed to the Amendments made by this House to the Bill, intituled, An Act to authorize the granting of mining and building Leases of certain parts of the Estates subject to the Trusts of the Will of Benjamin Hall, Esquire, deceased, without any Amendment: And also,
Amendments to Warriner's Estate Bill.
The Lords have agreed to the Amendment made by this House to the Bill, intituled, An Act for vesting Estates, of which Gifford Warriner, Esquire, a Lunatic, is Tenant in Tail, in Trustees for Sale, and also for effecting a Partition of certain Parts thereof, and for granting Leases, without any Amendment: And also,
Amendments to Benson's Estate Bill.
The Lords have agreed to the Amendments made by this House to the Bill, intituled, An Act for vesting an Estate at Liverpool, in the County of Lancaster, devised and settled by the Will of Moses Benson, Esquire, deceased, in Trustees, to be sold, and for laying out the Monies arising from such Sale in the purchase of Estates to be settled to the same uses, without any Amendment: -And then the Messengers withdrew.
Common Law Fees Bill, passed.
Ordered, That the Order of the day, for the third reading of the ingrossed Bill for regulating the Receipt and future Appropriation of Fees and Emoluments receivable by Officers of the Superior Courts of Common Law, be now read; and the same being read:-The Bill was read the third time; and an ingrossed Clause was added to the Bill, by way of rider. Resolved, That the Bill do pass. Ordered, That Sir Alexander Grant do carry the Bill to the Lords, and desire their concurrence.
Sale of Beer Bill, passed.
Ordered, That the Order of the day, for the third reading of the ingrossed Bill to permit the general Sale of Beer by Retail in England, be now read; and the same being read; And a Motion being made, and the Question being proposed, That the Bill be now read the third time; The Amendments following were proposed to be made to the Question; viz. To leave out the word "now" and at the end of the Question to add the words "upon this day six months." And the Question being proposed, That the word "now" stand part of the Question:-The said proposed Amendment was, with leave of the House, withdrawn. Then the main Question being put; Ordered, That the Bill be now read the third time:- The Bill was accordingly read the third time. An ingrossed Clause was offered to be added to the Bill, by way of rider, "To defer the operation of the Act as to consuming Beer on the premises until the 10th of October 1832:"-And the said Clause was brought up, and read the first time. And a Motion being made, and the Question being put, That the said Clause be now read a second time;
|The House divided.|
|The Yeas went forth.|
|Tellers for the Yeas,||Mr. Maberly,||91.|
|Sir Matthew Ridley:|
|Tellers for the Noes,||Mr. George Dawson,||133.|
|Sir George Clerk:|
Another ingrossed Clause was offered to be added to the Bill, by way of rider, "For a more effectual method of levying penalties for drunkenness:"-And the said Clause was brought up, and read the first time.
Debate on Labourers Wages Bill, resumed;Veneris, 2° die Julii, 1830:
Ordered, That the Order of the day, for resuming the adjourned Debate upon the Amendment, which, upon the 23d day of June last was proposed to be made to the Motion, "That this House doth agree with the Committee in the first Amendment made by the Committee to the Bill to amend and render more effectual the Provisions of divers Acts for securing to certain Artificers, Workmen and Labourers, in such Acts mentioned, the due Payment of their Wages in Money;" and which Amendment was,
To leave out from the word "That" to the end of the Question, in order to add the words "the Bill be re-committed" instead thereof, be now read; and the same being read:-The House resumed the said adjourned Debate.
|Teller for the Yeas, Mr. Littleton - - 29.|
|Teller for the Noes, Mr. Hume - - 7.|
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair; and the House being told by Mr. Speaker; and Forty Members not being present, and it being then near two of the clock on Friday morning:-The House was adjourned by Mr. Speaker, without a Question first put, till this day.