Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 9, 1667-1687. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.
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Sabbati, 29 die Martii, 1673.
Perrott, &c. Navigation.
Resolved, &c. That the Bill be committed to Sir Edmond Windham, Mr. Newport, Sir Winston Churchill, Sir Thomas Doleman, Mr. Maynard, Sir Philip Musgrave, Sir Eliab Harvey, Sir John Knight, Sir John Mallett, Sir John Talbott, Mr. Morrice, Lord Hawley, Colonel Titus, Mr. Vaughan, Mr. Crouch, Mr. Phillipps, Sir John Coventry, Mr. Westphaling, Sir Rich. Temple, Lord St. John, Mr. Prideaux, Sir Anth. Irby, Sir Trevor Williams, Sir John Earnley, Sir Thomas Lee, Lord Ashley, Sir John Bennet, Mr. Pleydall, Mr. Daniell, Mr. Whitaker, Sir Char. Harbord, Mr. Tregonwell, Sir Wm. Portman, Sir John Roll, Sir Gilbert Talbot, Mr. Buscowen, Mr. Powle, Sir Gilbert Gerrard, Mr. Chetwyn, Mr. Morrice, Mr. Wiseman, Sir John Birkenhead, Colonel Birch, Mr. Love, Mr. Whittaker, Sir William Bucknall, Mr. King, Sir John Fredericke, and all the Members of this House, that serve for the Counties of Somerset, Devon, Wiltes, and Dorset: And they are to meet in the Exchequer Chamber, the First Tuesday of the Meeting of this House, after the Recess: And that Mr. Speaker send out his Warrant of Summons, to give Notice to such Persons as are concerned in point of Interest, that they may there attend, and be heard before the Committee: And have Power to send for Persons, Papers, and Records.
Sir Thomas Meeres reports from the Committee, to which it was referred to draw up Reasons to be offered at the Conference to be had with the Lords, the Reasons agreed by the Committee: Which he read; and after, delivered the same in at the Clerk's Table: Which, being again read, and agreed, are as followeth; viz.
That we do not know, upon what Terms and Conditions, and with what Limitations and Qualifications such a Proclamation may issue; whereby the Intent of this Law, might, in a great Measure, be defeated, and the Benefit of this Act rendered very uncertain to all those People to whom Ease is intended.
That it puts a great Number of Persons upon a different Dependency upon the Crown from the rest of his Majesty's Subjects; and if such Dissenters should have too great a Countenance, it might cause many Persons to withdraw themselves from the Church of England.
That though the House of Commons cannot comply with so unlimited a Power, as the issuing out such Proclamations would induce; yet to a Clause added to the End of our Amendment to the Proviso mark'd (A), we have put a sufficient Power in his Majesty, to prevent any Inconveniences that may arise by this Act: Which we doubt not but will satisfy your Lordships.
That these Words relate to the Way of proceeding by Justices of the Peace, without resorting to the King for Licences: Which the House of Commons have thought fit to continue for the Reasons before given: And therefore they cannot agree to this Amendment.
That by this Amendment the Tests of the Oaths of Allegiance and Supremacy, and the Subscription to the Articles of the Doctrine of the Church of England are wholly left out: Which if it were admitted, Liberty might be given to Popery, and all Heresies and Sects whatsoever.
That we do not intend by this Act to give Ease to those that differ from us in the Fundamentals of Religion; but only in some Circumstance or Ceremonial Part of it: And we cannot know who agree with us in Fundamentals, unless we propose somewhat to which we all consent: And we conceive this Subscription was enjoined in the Time of Queen Elizabeth, after the Reformation of Religion, before these Divisions did appear publickly in our Church.
That these Tests will put a Difference between Papists and Protestant Dissenters; which were never sufficiently distinguished by any Law yet extant: And this, we conceive, will be of great Benefit and Advantage to the Church of England; and conduce very much to the Preservation and Security of the Protestant Religion.
That we conceive it will be for the Advantage of the Church, to invite as many to come in, as may consist with its Safety; and to remove such unnecessary Scruples as may offend or hinder others from the uniting with us.
That we conceive, that many Persons would renounce all Obligation of the Covenant upon themselves, are yet doubtful how far it may oblige other Persons, through a misguided Conscience, or invincible Ignorance: And we think ourselves sufficiently secured of such Persons as shall take the remaining Part of the Renunciation.
That we think it inconvenient to oblige any Person that hath never taken the Covenant, to inquire into it, which all those must necessarily do, who are obliged to renounce it; whereby the Memory of it will be continued; which is fitter to be buried in Oblivion.
We suppose your Lordships intend not to deprive any Person from the Benefit of this Act, but such as have revolted from the Church of England: And we cannot esteem any Persons to have been Members of the Church of England, but such as have both conformed to the Liturgy, and received the Sacrament.
Conference desired with Lords.
Ordered, That Mr. Herbert do go up to the Lords to desire a Conference upon the Amendments, sent from their Lordships, to the Bill for the Ease of Dissenters from the Church of England, in Matters of Religion.
Persons to attend.
Conference agreed to.
Motion for printing Addresses.
A Motion being made, That an Address be made to his Majesty, that he would be pleased to give Order for the Printing the Addresses of this House concerning Grievances; and his Majesty's gracious Answer thereto;
|Mr. Collingwood,||For the Yeas,||105.|
|Sir John Talbott,|
|Sir Eliab Harvey,||For the Noes,||105.|
Lords desire a Conference.
Greenland; &c. Trades.
Mr. Speaker, We are, by Command of the Lords, to acquaint this House, That they desire a present Conference, upon the Subject Matter of the last Conference in the Painted Chamber: And that their Lordships have agreed to the Bill for Repeal of a Clause in a former Act, to prohibit Salesmen from selling fat Cattle; to the Bill for his Majesty's Supply; and to the Bill for encouraging the Greenland and Eastland Trades; and for the better securing the Plantation Trade, without any Alteration.
Conference on Protestant Dissenters Bill.
Sir Thomas Meeres reports from the Conference had with the Lords, upon the Amendments of this House, to the Amendments and Provisoes by them sent to the Bill for Ease of his Majesty's Subjects Dissenters from the Church of England; those Amendments which the Lords insist on; of those sent from them; and those they do agree in; with the Amendments from this House: Which he read; and delivered in at the Table.
|Colonel Birch,||For the Yeas,||75.|
|Sir John Talbott,||For the Noes,||136.|
|Sir Jonath. Trelawney,|
Message to attend the King.
Mr. Speaker returning with the House, reported, That, in order to their Commands, he had attended his Majesty: And, after he had delivered the Bills, and what he had in Command from the House, his Majesty declared his Pleasure, That the Parliament should be adjourned to the Twentieth of October next: