Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 9, 1667-1687. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.
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Mercurii, 26 Junii, 1678.
SIR Tho. Stringer reports from the Committee to whom the Bill concerning the Pawnbrokers, was committed, several Amendments agreed by the Committee to be made to the Bill: Which he read in his Place; and afterwards delivered the same in at the Clerk's Table: Where the same were once read: And some of the Amendments being read a Second time;
Dean of St. Paul's Estates.
Mr. Speaker, The Lords have commanded us to acquaint you, That they have agreed to the Amendment made by the House of Commons to the Bill, intituled, An Act for increasing the Revenue of the Dean of St. Paul's; and assuring the Estates of his Tenants in Shadwell in the County of Middlesex: And also to desire a present Conference with this House, in the Painted Chamber, upon the Subject Matter of the last Conference.
Conference on Lords Amendments to Supply Bill.
"The Lords have appointed this Conference upon the Subject Matter of the last Conference, concerning the Bill, intituled, An Act for granting a Supply to his Majesty, for enabling him to pay and disband the Forces which have been raised since the Twenty-ninth September last; and to preserve that good Correspondence which ought to be between the Two Houses, in the Course of Parliamentary Proceedings in Passing of Bills; and for which, in your Introduction to the last Conference, you intimated the same was desired by the Commons."
"Their Lordships finding, that as the Bill came up to them limited to so very short a Time for the Execution of it; and That, under the Penalties of Forfeitures and Disabilities to bear Office, on those who should not do their Work according to the Purport of the Bill, within the Time prefixed; which their Lordships found absolutely impossible; They therefore proceeded by such Amendments as made the Bill practicable, by assigning further Periods of Time; viz. For disbanding the Forces in England, to the Twenty-seventh of July; and for those beyond Sea, to the Twenty-fourth of August; and for Apprentices to return to their Masters, to the Twenty-ninth of September. To all which Amendments you tell their Lordships, the Commons find themselves obliged to disagree with them, by reason of the Methods and Rights of your House, in a Matter very tender to you; but did not communicate to their Lordships, what those Methods and Rights were."
"But for answering the End which you told their Lordships they seem to aim at, you offered them an Expedient in the Proviso then delivered; which you conceived was warranted by Two Precedents, which you mentioned."
"First, That where you have found their Amendments so necessary, that by the Expedient proposed you have inlarged the Periods even beyond their Amendments, their Lordships conceive you have in Effect consented thereunto, and the Course of Parliament is not to help That by a new Proviso, which might and hath been done by the Change of Days, as was by their Amendments."
"Thirdly, You observed rightly, That those Provisoes added by the Lords, after the Bill sent by them to the Commons, did not relate to any Amendments made by the Commons; whereas the Proviso, now added by the Commons, relates to Two of the Amendments made by the Lords."
"Fourthly, Their Lordships take Notice, That though you seem to disagree to all the Amendments; yet in your Expedient you take no Notice of the Amendments relating to Apprentices; without which the Provision which seems to be made for them in the Bill, will be merely illusory."
"For these Reasons, their Lordships, as they have disagreed to your Expedient, do insist upon their Amendments; and desire your speedy Concurrence in this Bill so amended, that his Majesty may not want the Money so necessary to his Service, and the Kingdom's Quiet."
The First Amendment sent from the Lords to the Bill, intituled, An Act for granting a Supply to his Majesty, for enabling him to pay and disband the Forces which have been raised since the Twenty-ninth Day of September last, was read.
Ordered, That the Members, who did attend, and manage the Conference, do meet this Afternoon, in the Speaker's Chamber; and consider of Reasons to be offered at a free Conference, to be had with the Lords: And that Mr. Serjeant Mainard, Mr. Solicitor General, Mr. Williams, and Sir Robert Howard, be added to them.
Popish Recusants and Disseuters.
|Tellers,||Sir Tho. Lee,||for the Yeas,||67.|
|Tellers,||Sir Jon. Trelawey,||for the Noes,||100.|
|Sir Wm. Bassett,|
Ways and Means.
|Tellers,||Sir Trevor Williams,||for the Yeas,||87.|
|Sir Capell Luckin,|
|Tellers,||Sir Edm. Jenings,||for the Noes,||96.|
|Tellers,||Sir Rich. Temple,||for the Yeas,||69.|
|Sir Wm. Haward,|
|Tellers,||Sir John Holland,||for the Noes,||118.|
|Sir Rob. Kemp,|
Resolved, &c. That the House do now resolve into a Committee of the whole House; to proceed further in the Consideration of the Manner of raising the Supply, not exceeding the Sum of Four hundred and Fourteen thousand Pounds, for paying off the extraordinary Charge of the Navy and Ordnance; and for paying the Princess of Orange's Portion; and for Re-payment of the Two hundred thousand Pounds, borrowed upon the Credit of the additional Excise.
Sir John Trevor reports from the said Committee, That they had taken the Matter into Consideration; and agreed upon a Vote: Which he read in his Place; and afterwards delivered the same in at the Clerk's Table: Where the same was read; and is as followeth; viz.
Resolved, &c. That the Supply, not exceeding the Sum of Four hundred and Fourteen thousand Pounds, shall be raised by Twelve Months Land Tax, after the Rate of Thirty-four thousand Four hundred and Ten Pounds Nine Shillings and Six-pence halfpeny by the Month; to commence from the Twenty-fourth Day of February 1678.