Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 9, 1667-1687. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.
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Lunæ, 29 die Junii, 1685. 1Jac. IIdi.
AN ingrossed Bill, sent down from the Lords, intituled, An Act for Repair of the Cathedral Church of Bangor, and for the Maintenance of the Choir there, and for the Augmentation of the Revenue of the Bishoprick of Bangor; and for an Augmentation of several Vicarages within the Comportions of Llandinum in the Diocese of Bangor aforesaid; was read a Second time.
Resolved, That the Bill be committed to Mr. Ryves, Mr. Paston, Mr. Essex Strode, Dr. Perrott, Sir Orlando Gee, Sir Richard Lloyd, Sir Edward Herbert, Mr. Mellish, Mr. Waldron, Sir Tho. Clarges, Sir Tho. Exton, Mr. Wareing, Mr. Christy, Mr. Grenvill, Sir Geo. Winneve, Sir Dan. Fleming, Mr. Price, Sir Wm. Cooke, Mr. Walcott, Sir Phil. Egerton, Sir Fra. Clark, Mr. Dolben, Mr. Wogan, and all the Members for both Universities, and for North Wales and South Wales: And they are to meet at Three of the Clock this Afternoon, in the Speaker's Chamber.
Register of Deaths, &c.
|Tellers,||Sir Richard Temple,||for the Yeas,||75.|
|Tellers,||Mr. Wogan,||for the Noes,||83.|
Ordered, That Leave be given to bring in a Bill, upon the Debate of the House, for registring the Deaths, Burials, Marriages and Issue, of the Nobility and Gentry of England: And that Mr. North, Mr. Christy, and Mr. Wogan, do prepare and bring in the same.
Mr. Done reports from the Committee appointed to inspect the Accounts of the Commissioners for disbanding the late Forces, That the Committee, having taken the same into their Consideration, had agreed upon a Report, which they directed him to present to the House in Writing: Which he read in his Place; and afterwards delivered the same in at the Table: Where the same being read, is as follows;
The Question being, Whether Sir Gilbert Gerrard, Sir Thomas Player, Colonel Birch, and Colonel Whitley, the Commissioners for disbanding the Army, ought jointly to be charged with, and accountable for, the 100,000£. received by Sir Thomas Player, at the Exchequer, for that Service;
The Question being, Whether the Committee should report to the House, What Sums did appear, upon Examination of the Commissioners Accompts, to be vouched, should be so reported; and, What did appear to be unvouched, should be reported unvouched;
The Question being, Whether it be the Opinion of the Committee, That the House should be moved, That (seeing the Committee cannot make a perfect Examination of the Deputy Commissioners Accompts for disbanding in the Out Districts; likewise what has been paid for Cloaths and Quarters; as also to the Officers of the Army upon Debentures, and otherwise; and to ascertain, How far the Money given by the Act fell short of answering the End for which it was given), for the Satisfaction of all Persons concerned, Publication should be made, That they come in, and make out their Demands, in the Time of the Recess of the Parliament;
A further Question being, Whether it should be reported to the House, That Mr. Kingdon has accounted for, and is legally discharged of, the Sum of 22,311£. 15s. 9d. received out of the Exchequer; being Part of the 206,462£. 17s. 3d. given by the Act for disbanding the Army;
As to the Method of their Proceeding; the Care of the Committee in general was, to get before them such Accompts and Papers as were needful; and then to put those Accompts and Papers into the most expeditious and safe Way of Examination: For the First, the Committee gave Order to the said Commissioners, to produce, and deliver to them, all Accompts, Papers, and Vouchers they had, of what Nature soever, relating to this Affair: Which they did; and at the same time declared, They were all the material Vouchers they had to offer in Discharge of their respective Accompts: And likewise desired Sir Robert Howard to certify the Committee, What Money was received upon the last Disbanding Act; and How, and to Whom, the same was issued and paid; and likewise, what Debentures were drawn by the Commissioners; and for what Services; and what had been paid for Interest: All which Sir Robert has punctually done.
When the Committee were possessed of the said Accompts, Papers, and Vouchers, their next Care was, to put them into a proper Method of Examination; and therefore desired several Gentlemen of the Committee, whom they conceived fit and able to perform this Service, to peruse the said Accompts, and to compare them with their proper Vouchers: Who readily undertook it, and agreed to meet de die in diem, in the Court of Wards, for Performance thereof: Which they, or some of them, have since constantly done, and made what Progress, for the time, they could, in the said Examination.
And further reports, How the Committee did, upon Examination, find their Accompts, so far as they have been able to look into them; for that, for want of Time, they have not been able to make near so perfect an Examination as is needful. And, first, The Committee, upon Examination, finds, That by the Consent and Approbation of the other Commissioners, Sir Thomas Player did receive out of the Receipt of his Majesty's Exchequer, for disbanding the Army, the Sum of 100,000£.
In Examination whereof they have only compared their Accompts with the Establishment and Muster Rolls, as to the Numbers of Men established and mustered; but, for want of Time, have not been able to examine their Computations of the Officers and Soldiers Pay, to see that they are rightly calculated; which is a Thing necessary to be done, that, if any Errors do appear, they may be rectified, and the Accomptants charged with what they have placed to Accompt more than the Establishment and Muster Rolls will warrant.
Thus far the Committee has proceeded in this Affair: There remains yet to be examined, What has been paid for Cloaths and Quarters; and, What remains due upon those Accompts, and also to the Officers of the Army, upon Debentures, or otherwise; and likewise to ascertain, how far the Money given by the Act fell short of answering the End for which it was given. The Committee thinks this Work will require a considerable Time to perfect the Examination thereof; possibly much more than this Session will allow: And, if so, this humble Proposal to this honourable House is, That some Order may be taken for the Performance thereof, during the ensuing Recess: Which the Committee conceives may best be done by appointing a select Number to meet at a certain Place, to make the aforesaid Examination and Adjustment; and, in order thereto, to receive, examine, and adjust the Pretensions of all Creditors, and others, concerned in this Matter; and to report the same to the House at their next Meeting: And, that all Persons, who are concerned therein, may be acquainted therewith, the Committee humbly conceives it will be needful, that some public Notice be given by publishing the same in the Gazette, or otherwise, as may be thought most convenient.
Resolved, That the Matter of the said Report be recommitted to the same Committee: And they are impowered to prepare and bring in a Bill, upon the Debate of the House, for the taking and better adjusting of the said Accompts.
Foreign Protestants Nat.
A Bill for a general Naturalization of all such French Protestants as are now residing in England, Wales, and Berwick upon Tweed, or the Isles of Jersey and Guernsey; and such others as shall come over within some limited time; was read.
Leave of Absence.
Resolved, That the Bill be committed to Sir Tho. Meres, Mr. North, Lord Falkland, Mr. Christy, Sir Jos. Williamson, Lord Digby, Mr. Solicitor General, Mr. Serjeant Maynard, Mr. Bulkley, Mr. Wogan, Mr. Bickerstaffe, Mr. Tipping; Mr. Butler, Sir Chr. Wren, Mr. Geers, Mr. Gunter, Sir Jos. Tradenham, Mr. Fanshaw, Sir Tho. Clarges, Mr. Smith, Sir John Brampston, Sir John Hoskins, Mr. Duncombe, Sir Dan. Fleming, Sir Tho. Darcy, Mr. Porter, Sir Richard Temple, Sir William Cooke, Sir John Wynn, Mr. John Hoskins, Mr. Mellish, Sir John Lowther, Sir Chr. Musgrave, Sir George Pudsey, Sir Hen. Goodrick, Sir Dudley North, Mr. Montague, Mr. Walker, Sir Hump. Winch, Sir Cha. Holt, Sir Tho. Hussey, Mr. Ashburnham, Sir Orlando Gee, Sir Fra. Clark, Mr. Paston, Mr. Hodges, Lord Ranelagh, Colonel Lee, Sir Benj. Bathurst, and all the Members of the Long Robe, or any of them: And all that come are to have Voices: And they are to meet at Three of the Clock this Afternoon, in the Speaker's Chamber. And the particular Care of the Bill is recommended to Mr. North.
Preservation of King's Person, &c.
Ordered, That the Matter, touching the Election of Burgesses to serve for this present Parliament for the Borough of Ludgarsell in the County of Wilts, be put off: And that it be heard before the Committee of Elections and Privileges, the First Saturday of the next Meeting of this Parliament, after the ensuing Recess.