Henry VIII: November 1543, 11-20

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Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, Volume 18 Part 2, August-December 1543. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1902.

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November 1543, 11-20

11 Nov.
R. O. Sadler State Papers, I. 337.
367. Sadler to Arran.
Perceives, by his letters of the 10th inst., that he understands that Sadler daily receives and directs writings "privately fro and to sundry great and small men within this realm" (which is very suspicious and, war now standing, cannot be permitted), and desires, if Sadler's commission continues, to hear his charge; and, if it be expired, is constrained by his strange behaviour to pray him to depart the realm. Sadler's behaviour digresses from no part of his office, nor has he received or written any other letters to or from any great or small men than he would that Arran and the whole realm were privy to. His commission endures until the King revokes him. Seeing such daily changes here, knows not to whom to declare the King's mind, and receive answer from, until he knows the King's pleasure. Temptallon, 11 Nov.
Copy in the hand of Sadler's clerk, p. 1. Address copied : To the right honorable th'erle of Arrayn. Endd.
11 Nov.
Royal MS. 18 B. VI. 157. B. M. Epp. Reg. Sc., II. 168. Royal MS.
368. Mary Queen Of Scots to Charles V.
Although, doubtless, the Emperor will maintain the treaty he made with her father, she is emboldened by the friendship that was ever between the Emperor and her father to claim his benevolence as of hereditary right. As some Scottish ships are going into Lower Germany for trade, it seems meet, at this time when there is war with the English, to beg him not to permit them, in favour of the enemies, to be hardly treated. En regia nostra Edinburgensi, 11 Nov. 1543. Signed : Jacobus Gubernator.
Lat. Copy, p. 1.
18 B. VI., 222. B. M. 2. Another copy.
Lat., p. 1.
R. O. [Sp. Cal. VII. 247.] 3. Modern copy from Vienna Archives.
Pp. 2.
11 Nov.
Royal MS. 18 B. VI. 157. B. M. Epp. Reg. Sc., II. 169.
369. Mary Queen Of Scots to the Lord Of Veere And Beures.
The friendship that was between her father and him, which she wishes to maintain, moves her to signify things by which he may promote it. Now that the Scots have war with England, some of their ships are going to Lower Germany for trade, and the English King boasts that, by a new treaty he has made with the Emperor, the enemy of the one is to be held enemy of the other. The Scots fear that if they go uncommended they may be unfriendly treated, but she does not doubt but that the Emperor will observe the treaty he made with her father. Begs him to see that they suffer nothing contrary to the ancient friendship and the treaties. Ex regia nostra Edinburgensi, 11 Nov. Signed : Jacobus Gubernator.
Lat. Copy, pp. 2. Add. : Domino Verrarum ac Bavier.
Royal MS. 18 B. VI., 222. B. M. 2. Another copy.
Lat., pp. 2.
12 Nov.
Add. MS. 32,653, f. 40. B. M. Hamilton Papers, II, No. 95.
370. Henry VIII. to Suffolk.
Has seen his letter of the 8th inst. to the Council, with the letter which Sir George Douglas wrote him, for money and for redress to his friends on the Borders, and his answer. Where he has promised the King's answer to Sir George's desire, he shall himself declare it, if Sir George repair to him, as often promised, or else send it by a discreet messenger to Sir George and his brother. It is :
Albeit the promises made by them, both here and since their departing, and the munificence which they have received at his hands, make him think them his own, their deeds have been far discrepant from their words. The arrest of their friends, and their own danger from the Governor and Cardinal, have come of their ensuing their own devices and not following his. Advised them to keep the Cardinal when he was prisoner, to set upon him after the convention at Lythco when he lay at Stirling with his private family, to keep the young Queen at Edinburgh, to take or burn the ship that brought Lynoux out of France, to work wisely with Lynoux for the guard of Donbarton and the restraining of the Patriarch and French ambassador from liberty; but all availed nothing. Giving credit to the crafty practises of the Cardinal, and thinking to bring their purposes to pass by way of pacification, they have brought themselves into great danger and hindered the King's affairs; who, upon their promises, sequestered the execution of what he could have done himself. Let them now see whether Maxwell and Somervell will escape so easily as the Cardinal did. And what end is come to the promises which the Cardinal made to Sir George at their secret conferences, and the great embracings between them and the King's enemies at their convention ! Let them extend their forces for the redemption of their friends and revenge of the false proceedings with them of Arran and Lynoux, and also of the Cardinal. The day has been when they were able to make a battle, "and yet then living the King their master," at which battle Lynoux's father was slain. "They have not sticked to take upon them to us to set the Crown of Scotland upon our head." Where is now their force and courage? Will they say, when it comes to their own defence, as they used to say when we required them to act for our affairs "We are not able, our friends will leave us, our own men and servants will forsake us"? If so, what meant they, to undertake so much? Let them do some exploit and then we will aid them, both with money and men. (Which Suffolk shall say is ready; as indeed 4,000l. shall be sent him with diligence.) Until they have done some notable exploit (as Angus told Apulbye that he would do if the two lords prisoners were not delivered before the Friday following) or else have laid hostages that they will do so within a time to be limited by Suffolk, the King, having spent so much without seeing any good effect, is loth to defray more till he sees old practises laid apart and a plain breach with the other party. As to their friends upon the Borders, they should account no man their friend who cannot also be the King'sor at least not the King's enemy, as most of their so called friends have shown themselves, as Angus and Sir George will have perceived by the Council's late letter to them. Can no longer trust bare words, but looks to have personal hostages for performance of the conditions prescribed by the Council's said letter.
The above is to be declared, likewise, to the rest of the King's friends if they demand aid. As soon as they have done any notable enterprise, or have laid the hostages for it, 1,000l. of the said 4,000l. is to be delivered for the common aid of them all. And, upon knowledge of their continuance to annoy the enemy, the King will send his further pleasure for their furniture. Suffolk shall tell Sir George that, as the Cardinal and Governor go about to take the holds belonging to Angus and him, the King's advice is that (seeing Angus is too far off) he should provide that Tyntallon and their other fortresses are stored with men and munition; for if they lose Tyntallon (as no doubt the Governor will essay to surprise it) it will be hard to recover; and if Sir George is unprovided with men and munition for its defence the King will appoint a trusty man, with a sufficient garrison for its defence, and furnish it by sea with artillery.
Finally Wharton is to learn, from Donbarton or thereabouts, what is become of the French ships that brought the Patriarch and munition, and of the ten ships which were sent from Bristow to encounter them. Ampthil. P.SIn case Angus and Sir George, being unable to furnish Tyntallon, are content that the King lay a garrison there, Suffolk shall send ships, with a sufficient garrison and munition, from Newcastle; with a gentlemen of stomach to be captain and take guard of the castle, and not re-deliver it to any person until he knows the King's pleasure.
Draft with corrections in Paget's hand, pp. 23. Endd. : M. the King's Majesty to the Duke of Suffolk, xijo Novembr. 1543, at midnight.
12 Nov. R. O. 371. Broxston.
Bill of receipt by Ric. Brok of Broxston, 12 Nov. 35 Hen. VIII., from Sir Nic. Styrley, of Styrley, of 3l. for his half year's rent of Broxston. Signed with a mark.
Small paper, p. 1.
12 Nov.
Add. MS. 32,653, f. 57. B. M. Hamilton Papers, II., No. 98.
372. Sir Wm. Eure to Suffolk.
On Sunday night, 11th inst., Robt. Collynwode and John Horseley with the garrisons of the East Marches made a journey in Scotland; and Eure sent with them Thos. Carlile and Wm. Buckton and 100 horsemen of Berwick. Upon daylight on Monday morning they burnt two towns in Tyvidale, viz., Morbotle, belonging to Walter Carr of Sesforthe, and Prymsid, and brought away much goods and cattle, and took some prisoners. Berwick, 12 Nov., 9 p.m. Signed.
P. 1. Add. Endd. : 1543.
12 Nov.
Add. MS. 32,653, f. 55. B. M.
373. Sadler to Henry VIII.
Yesternight received a letter from Arran (enclosed, with copy of his answer). Begs instructions. Temptallon, 12 Nov. Signed.
P. 1. Add.
12 Nov. Add. MS. 32,653, f. 54. B. M. Hamilton Papers, II., No. 96. 374. Sadler to Suffolk and Tunstall.
Encloses letters for the King, with Arran's "letter to the same." Some say that the Governor will besiege Temptallon, which is strong enough and meetly well furnished with artillery, but slenderly furnished with victual, especially wheat and malt, and coal; so that unless their lordships help to furnish them by sea, "which may be done maugre all Scotland," they will lack fire and be famished. Temptallon, 12 Nov. 1543. Signed. Partly in cipher, p. 1. Add. Endd.
Ib. f. 53. 2. Decipher of the above.
P. 1.
12 Nov. 375. Wotton to Henry VIII.
The letter of this date printed in State Papers, IX. p. 547, will be found under the date of 12 December.
12 Nov.
R. O. St. P.,IX.,546.
376. Edmond Harvel to Henry VIII.
Wrote on the 4th. An ambassador has come from the Turk to declare his victory in Hungary and return to Constantinople, and to hear news of Barbarossa, who left Tolon with 30 galleys and is not since heard of. Janetin Doria returned to Geane with certain Turkish foists; and the galleys of Naples, Sicily and the Religion are returned to Puglia, from Turkey, with 300,000 cr. worth of prey. Mondovi in Piedmont taken by Guasto; which will be a great impediment to Turin. The Turk left only 10,000 horse for the presidy of Hungary, in addition to the old company of 7,000, and demanded a four years' truce of Ferdinando, who refuses it without restitution of Hungary. The Frenchmen report that the Emperor's host is withdrawn from Landersey and that they have succoured it, "which are reputed fables with men of judgment." Venice, 12 Nov. 1543.
P.S.Here is reasoning that the Bishop of Rome will send Pole to Scotland, with 4,000 men, next spring. The Signory have just made Stefano Tiepolo, their late general, ambassador to the Turk. A man of such estimation is not likely to be sent for a light matter. Ferdinando has sent a great personage to the Bishop, to signify that, unless he declares against the French king, at this next diet of Spire, the Empire will proceed against him. The Bishop "will curse all them in Spayne that hath consented to the Pragmatica." Both the Bishop and these men fear the Emperor's victory in France.
Hol., pp. 2. Add. Endd.
13 Nov.
Add. MS. 32,653, f. 66. B. M. Hamilton Papers, II., No. 101.
377. Suffolk and Tunstall to the Council.
Sir George Douglas has been here, with whom Suffolk has debated at length of the present state of Scotland. In the end Suffolk asked him, if he were of the King's Council, as the King reputed him to be his trusty servant, what advice he would give. He replied in a long discourse, the articles whereof (sent herewith) have been read over to him and subscribed by him. He advises 1,500l. to be distributed among the King's friends in the West, East and North, that they might invade the King's enemies and theirs, and the King might, as he saw cause, minister further aid, or leave it off it were but loss of so much money; whereas his friends in Scotland, lacking his aid and seeing their enemies and his set on such pride by money and munition out of France (as they now are, having soldiers hired with the French crowns), could not assemble sufficient power, but the opposite party prevailing would drive his brother and him, and peradventure some others, to flee into England. This their enemies boast they will do, and cease not to practise with the King's friends by offers of pensions and rewards of France to win them to their party.
Advise that aid of money and letters of courage should be sent. No man could in words show himself more addict to the King than Sir George does, saying that the practise they went about before was to win Scotland to the King sooner and with less expense, and, since fair means cannot prevail, they must henceforth trust to force, wherein their power may fail, but not their good will. Beg to know the King's pleasure with all speed, lest all spent hitherto when the need was not so great as now, be in vain. Sir George says that the sum of money sent shall be kept secret, but bruited to be many thousands, so as to encourage their friends and discourage the French party. On their asking where his brother was, he showed a letter of his brother's sent to him since this ruffle began, by which (sent herewith) it appears that his brother means good faith, "and is moved." Darnton, 13 Nov. Signed.
Pp. 3. Add. Endd. : 1543.
13 Nov.
Add. MS. 32,653, f. 59. B M. Hamilton Papers, II., No. 99. Sadler State Papers, I., 338.
378. Sadler to the Council.
Yesterday Brunstone came to say that the Governor, at the Cardinal's instigation, was determined to have wars with England; for which La Brochey, the French ambassador, promises them 6,000 lance-knights out of Denmark, at the French king's wages, to be landed either in England or Scotland, and also money to wage 10,000 Scottishmen, and all aid both by sea and land. This makes them so proud that the Cardinal has said to Brunstone that the King should not have the honor to begin the war, for they would begin. The King's friends, as Angus and all the Douglases, Cassells, Glencarne, the sheriff of Ayr and lord of Donelanerik, shall be chased into England or fight for it ere long, as the Governor and Cardinal have said to Brunstone. The Governor is very extreme against Somervile, and will put him to tortures unless he confess his credence to the King from Angus and the others. As there was a saying that Maxwell was taken by his own consent, Brunstone asked the Governor; who sware it was not so, and that Maxwell was taken against his will, as he trusted to take more ere long. Brunstone desires Sadler to write in favour of the sheriff of Ayr, who can do much but lacks money (as Sadler thinks they all do, or they would not sit so still); and says that John a Barton, who is the principal man of Leith, is much dedicate to the King, and, having goods in France, sends 5 or 6 ships, whereof the Mary Willughby is one, thither; but tarries himself at home, by Brunston's advice, intending hereafter to trade only into England. Brunston says he will himself write to the King.
The Governor and Cardinal are gone over the Frythe into Fyffe and Angus, to do some exploit upon the earl of Rothers and lords Graye, Ogleby and Glammes, or else win them from their devotion to Angus, whose sitting so still is a mean to encourage his enemies and lose his friends. The still sitting of all the King's friends seems to be for lack of money; for, with money, "they might wage men enough to take their part in their own private quarrels." Suggests that a little more money might be bestowed to induce them to debate the matter with the sword among themselves, and so be the easier for us to deal with next year. Temptallon, 13 Nov.
P.S.The letters he sent to the King would show that he is charged either to repair to the Governor or depart the realm. If, thereupon, the King charges him to repair to the Governor, he will not be suffered to return to Temptallon, but despatched the next way into England. The Governor is much offended with his being here; and Angus has lost friends by it, for it is universally said that he has rendered his house to Englishmen. Here he may remain maugre the Governor and all his party, and, if the passage by land be stopped, the King may send hither by sea, Angus, "being our friend, as undoubtedly I think him to be." Signed.
In cipher, pp. 4. Add. Sealed. Endd. : Mr. Sadleyr to the duke of Suffolk.
Ib. f. 61. 2. Decipher of the above.
Large paper, pp. 2.
13 Nov.
Add. MS. 32,653, f. 63. B. M. Hamilton Papers, II., No. 100.
379. Sadler to Suffolk and Tunstall.
Encloses letters to the Council. This day came one from Lord Somervile to desire him to write to Suffolk to get his eldest son home upon pledges, to revenge his persecution. Somervile trusts to find means to escape, and has offered the captain of the Black Nasshe, where he is prisoner, 10l. land and 200 angels for it, and finds the captain comformable. Temptallon, 13 Nov. Signed.
Mostly in cipher, p. 1. Add. Endd. : 1543.
Ib. f. 64. 2. Decipher of the above. P. 1.
13 Nov.
R. O. St. P.,IX., 549.
380. Brian to Henry VIII.
Reports conversation (at the Emperor's being in Cambray) with Grandvell, who said that the Emperor had a treaty with the Scots, but, if Henry should be at war with them, he might be sure his enemies should not be the Emperor's friends; that he suspected the Duke of Lorrayne's coming was by means of the Frenchmen (which duke was now at Semy, a town of Arskott's son, the Prince of Semy, and had been told that "he might return because of his disease, and that the Emperor removeth daily"); and that the Emperor would do nothing without Henry's advice.
After Wallop and the other captains departed, the Emperor asked Brian if he was to tarry here, who replied that, now the wars were done, he was in doubt about it. The Emperor garrisons Crevecure, Shatevo Cambersaye (where the French king fled by night, playing "the owl's part," as the Emperor says) and Cambray. It is here thought that this breach of the neutrality will undo Camberseys; also that the Emperor will make a strong castle here, whereat the French are not pleased. Mons. de Lorayn is now come to a castle beside Avanys, and will come to Vallentian and speak first with the Queen and then with the Emperor. Will be present, if not countermanded. It is bruited that Lorayn comes for a treaty of peace. The duke of Naygeres, Don Louis Davayll and others go to Spain, through England, to levy 5,000 Spaniards against next year. Grandwell says that Lorayn's son, who married the duchess of Milan, comes with his father, and is Imperial. Dowaye, 13 Nov. Signed.
Pp. 2. Add. Endd. : 1543.
13 Nov.
R. O.
381. Adrian De Croy [Sieur De Roeulx] to Wallop.
Is sorry he could not say adieu, as he had to depart suddenly from Cambray. Hopes to come and see him at Guisnes in the beginning of spring. Has a horse for him. Is very sorry not to have been able to take leave of the gentlemen with him; and begs to be recommended very humbly to the King. Vallenciennes, 13 Nov. Signed.
French, p. 1. Add.
14 Nov.
R. O.
382. Wages and Conduct Moneys.
Newcastle upon Tyne, 14 Nov. 35 Hen. VIII. :There remained in the hands of John Uvedale, treasurer, on 27 Oct., 1,243l. 9s. 8d., whereof he has paid since : To Thos. Petit, prest for workmen's wages at Warke 100l. My lord lieutenant, for wages and diets of Sir Ant. Browne, 80l., and spial money, 7l. 14s. 8d. Kenelm Throkmerton, money given by lord Parre in rewards and spial money, 10l. Steph. Metcalf, late trumpeter with lord Parre, wages and conduct money to London, 4l. 0s. 6d. Gilb. Swynehoo, for watches, 7l. 3s. 4d. Thos. Rothereforde, for watches, 4l. 6s. Fras. Norton,(blank) Staples, and John Ogle, captains of 50 men each, wages for 21 days, 39l. 4s. each. Coats at 3s. 4d. for the said 150 men, 25l. 10s.; and conduct money to 100 of them, 17l. 2s.
Remainder 870l. 14d. which, after deducting refuse gold and two prests, leaves in ready money but 595l. 19s. 2d. Signed : Jo. Vuedale. P. 1.
14 Nov.
Add. MS. 32,653, f. 68. B. M. Hamilton Papers, II., No. 102.
383. Sadler to Suffolk and Tunstall.
On receipt of a letter from Angus (copy forwarded lately in cipher), wrote again to him to devise with the rest of the King's friends how to execute the things lately declared, on the King's behalf, by Mr. Saunforde, Wharton's kinsman; or at least to revenge the injuries now attempted towards them, but to keep themselves out of the hands of their adversaries, who "did all their feats more by policy than by any power." Yesternight had another letter (enclosed) from Angus, showing that money shall make and mar all. Sadler thinks that the slow coming of it may hurt the King's affairs. Wrote lately that Brunstone would send an express messenger to the King. He now sends bearer with letters to the King and to Suffolk, desiring that a placard may be given him for post horses to accelerate his journey to Court. The haste he makes, and his assurance that he will carry his letters safe, emboldens Sadler to write this out of cipher. Would be glad of letters out of England. Temptallon, 14 Nov.
Hol., pp. 2. Add. Sealed. Endd. : 1543.
14 Nov. R. O. St. P., IX.,550. 384. Wallop to Henry VIII.
On Sunday (fn. 1) last, he and Seymour, and the rest of the Council here, took leave of the Emperor, who protested his affection for Henry and gratitude for the grant of 20 days more than the treaty. Has all the King's ordnance and munition here, not minding to send it to Antwerp or elsewhere, as it will be needed next year, but to bring it to Calais, if he can get cart horses, with the bows and arrows to be mended against next spring. Asks whether any horsemen or footmen shall remain in garrison at Guisnes; for most of the footmen will be on Friday or Saturday at Calais.
The Emperor remains in Cambray, which he garrisons, as well as Chasteau en Cambresis and Crevecueur, the Daulphin's town. He will make a castle in the highest part of Cambray called Mount St. Gery. Thinks he will stay there until Lorraine and his son arrive at Valenciennes, where the Regent is with Arschot, Du Rieux and most of the noblemen.
All the King's captains here have done their duty well. Was never in a war where there was so much for youth to learn, both at the being before Landersey and then at the Emperor's coming with horse and foot of all nations. Divers chiefs of Spanish footmen and Italian and Almain horse and foot offered to serve the King next year. Has kept their names. "Drouncelades," fifers and gunners to shoot in mortars are promised by Mons. du Bures, who is anxious, if the Emperor give him leave, to serve the King next year with the 5,000 tall footmen and a great number of horsemen which he had at this time with him. Douay, 14 Nov. Signed.
Pp. 3. Add. Sealed. Endd. : 1543.

R. O.
385. Wallop to the Council.
In the Council's letters of the 8th, he and Sir Thos. Seymour are directed to confer with the best Clevoys captains, to learn how the Emperor was served by them, and, if they would agree upon a less price than in a "rate" sent therewith, to declare this to one Gymynyck, bringer of the said letters; and to know where he would be found if the King required him, who has given him 200 cr. pension. Received these letters no rather than yesterday, when the whole army was dissolved and the Clevoys captains could not be spoken with. Gymynyck says that, in case the Emperor has retained Clevoys at a lower price than in the rate, he will serve the King at the same "salair," upon two months' warning. About the truth of the said rate will write to the Great Master, who is always ready to do the King service. Gymynyck says he dwells at Gymnyhe castle, two Flemish miles from Colayne, and that his kinsman, the King's servant Arnolde, a very honest man who came with him, and has served all this year in the field, knows it well. The King can always have Clevoys horsemen, for Wallop practised with them, especially with the Count du Bures, who promised horsemen, footmen, gunners for mortars, drumslades and fifers as many as the King shall need. Two other captains of the Low Parts, Joergen van Lesken and Borges van Monche, offered to serve, each with 300 or 400 horsemen; who abide at Gotten and served the Emperor this journey, One who was captain of the Noyre Bende has just arrived in this town to offer service, bringing the Emperor's letters of commendation. As for footmen, the Count de Mansfeld, dwelling in Saxony, offered to serve with 5,000 or 6,000 when required. And out of Italy the duke of Mantua's bastard, Alex. Gonzaga, offered to serve with 4,000 Italian footmen, and 300 mounted harquebuziers, upon two months' warning. Has made a book of these names. "As for the Italians, it is evil meddling with them, having had good experience thereof this year to be either too wise or too false." Signed.
Pp. 3. Add. Endd. : "Mr. Wallop to the Council touching th'entertainment of Clevoys."
14 Nov.
R. O.
386. Brian to Paget.
As "this messenger was departing even as I received the news I send you here inclosed, I have now no time to write you longer, but of the news it may please you to participate with the King's Majesty and your friends as you shall see ca[use]." Doway, [14] Nov.
Hol., p. 1. Faded. Add. Endd. : xiiijo Novemb. 1543.
15 Nov.
Add. MS. 32,653, f. 70. B. M. Hamilton Papers, II., No. 103.
387. Suffolk to Henry VIII.
Yesternight received Henry's letters of the 12th and thereby understood what he should have declared to Sir George Douglas, who departed the morning before. Recapitulates the points. As Sir George's declaration of the state of Scotland and subscribed opinion are sent to the King, Suffolk forbears to declare this to Angus and the rest until further instructions; for surely it would put them in despair and make them yield to the other party, who not only use force but promise great pensions and rewards out of France to win them. Sir George confesses their folly, but that cannot help them or advance the King's affairs. Henry writes that when they have done some notable enterprise, or given hostages to do it, Suffolk is to deliver for their common aid 1,000l. Humbly offers his opinion that the demand of hostages would make them think they were no longer reputed as friends, and thereupon help themselves from their desperation by leaning to the party of France, who asks nothing of them but to join in defence of their own realm and liberty, without demanding hostages. Where Henry would have Temptallon furnished against surprise; asked Sir George, because of Mr. Sadleyr's letters, how it was furnished, who said he thought it was well furnished and all the substance of his brother and friends within it, with ordnance that would shoot two miles, but he would write to his brother to see it surely furnished forthwith. Offered to help him, "but he said he trusted it was well enough." Darnton, 15 Nov. Signed.
P.S.Encloses a letter from Wharton just received. Pp 5. Add. Endd. : 1543.
15 Nov.
Sadler State Papers, I., 341.
388. Sadler to Angus.
Has received his writings by his servant John Douglas, and perceives that he will show himself a man of honor in this busy time, not doubting but God will give him the upper hand of his adverse party. Had already written to the King to the effect he desires; and has now written again. The Governor, on Sunday last, sent a herald with letters charging Sadler either to repair to him or depart the realm. Would fain be at home; but, so long as the King would have him remain, he may with Angus's favour "abide an charge more of the Governor," having so good a house as this, where neither the Governor nor the Cardinal will seek to do him any great displeasure for disobeying their charge.
Headed : To the lord of Angus, 15th November, 1543.
15 Nov.
R. O.
389. Philip De Croy, [Duke of Arschot], to Wallop.
That the Emperor despatched him from Cambray, at 4 o'clock at night, towards the Queen is his excuse for not saying adieu to Wallop, and thanking him for his friendship, whom he will always take for his good father and friend. Begs Wallop to make his very humble recommendations to the King. Vallen., (fn. 2) 15 Nov. 1543.
Commendations to the Sieur Cremuel, the Sieur Treasurer and other gentlemen of his band. Signed.
French, p. 1. Add.
15 Nov.
Original Letters I. 242 (Parker Soc.)
390. Richard Hilles to Henry Bullinger.
As he cannot write Latin well and is ignorant of German, requests Bullinger to deliver and explain his answer to Henry Falckner, who inquired the price of his cloth, and if Falckner return it, begs Bullinger to keep it till John Burcher arrives. Cannot part with it for a less sum than stated. Could make more money, if he were intent only on gain, by 1,000 fl. on other wares, especially in this war time, but has in mind 1 Tim. vi. 17. Wrote about the 4 fl. merely to know if the letter of Francis Warner, the young man in his house, had been delivered, for he often inquires about it. That letter treated of some ungodly laws then enacted by our Parliament.
My wife sends good wishes to you and your wife. On the 2d inst. she had a son, whom I have named Gershom, quite large enough, the women say, for a mother of tall stature. As your wife has so many fine children herself she would pray for the wife of Master Megander, that she also may have a family. Strasburg, 15 Nov. 1543.
16 Nov.
R. O.
391. John Coope to John Johnson.
"J'hus ano 1543 the xvjth in Novemb., at Ascheby" :I have received yours of 6 Nov., and have accordingly provided 100l. in Lo (London) with my friend Mr. Gerrade, to be paid at sight if the worst fall, which I trust shall not need, "seeing there is now no L . . Hollenders in Calles then v. companies." Describes other commercial matters and desires him to remember four barrels of herring "when these Hollenders be gone."
Hol., p. 1. Much mutilated. Add. : merchant of the Estaple in Calles.
16 Nov.
Sadler State Papers, I. 344.
392. Sadler to Henry VIII.
Henry commended the bearer, Mr. Richardson, to the Governor, who received him and maintained him and others in setting forth the Word of God. Now that the Governor, who was a supporter of good preachers, is (through the counsel of the Cardinal "for whom he hath forsaken both God and man") become a persecutor of them, Richardson is forced to fly this country, where the Cardinal's malice towards him (for his preaching and his zeal to England) makes it dangerous for him to abide. Commends him.
Headed : To the King's Majesty, 16th November, 1543.
16 Nov.
Sadler State Papers, I. 342.
393. The Laird Of Brunston to Sadler.
Has been long in writing, for the time is so dangerous. Prays to be excused to the King, whom he thanks for his gentle letter. Cannot get letters carried as oft as he would, but will write to the King the conclusions made in this Parliament. Showed Sadler that he had caused John a Barton to remain at home, than whom no man in Scotland more desires to further the King's godly purpose. His ships have been divers times at sea, but aye returned by contrary wind. That they may not "stir" the King's lieges, sends his servant, the bearer, with them; and begs Sadler to give him a letter, that they may be used as the King's friends and servants. It is believed that Angus will come to the Parliament, "and sends the sheriff of Ayr and laird of Drumlanrig (which are looked for this Saturday) to dress his way." Bothwell aud Murray have been this Friday in the castle and spoken with Maxwell, through whom, the writer fears, they draw in Angus "by George." Thinks Sadler should warn George against receiving displeasure by Lord Home. Wots that Sadler knows that they intend to summon him (George) for treason; which will be the main work of this Parliament, if they make not four regents as before. Credence for bearer. Musselburgh, Saturday morning.
P.S.Asks for news; and to be commended to Mr. Aevery. Be circumspect in sending letters, for the ways are straitly kept. "When your Lordship hath seen these other letters, close them within another letter and send me them again."
Headed : From the laird of Brunstoun to Sir Ralph Sadler, 16th November, 1543.
17 Nov.
Add. MS. 32,653, f. 73. B. M. Hamilton Papers, II., No. 104.
394. The Privy Council to Suffolk.
Have received his letters, with Wharton's, describing his proceedings with Robt. Maxwel and the Elwoodes. Wharton is to advertise Robt. Maxwel that order is taken for the 1,500l. to be delivered for aid of Angus and the rest of the King's friends in Scotland. As, upon theirs of yesterday, Suffolk has already written letters of comfort to Angus and the rest, there is no need to write from hence. Where Robt. Maxwel desired to know what the wages of the lord of Johnston should be, Wharton is to ask what wages he means, and tell him that if he means Johnston to serve the King here, "he shall have such wages as the rest shall have when they come to his Majesty's service." The King has received Suffolk's letters showing why he stayed the declaration, and is content that further declaration of their slackness be forborne, as Sir George has confessed it already. The King eftsoons desires him to make shift, according to the Council's letters of yesterday, to deliver the 1,500l., without requiring hostages, but only writing letters of comfort as devised in his post scripta, adding that the French king cannot aid them but by stealth, whereas the King is always at hand and cannot be let to aid them, as he will do if they show themselves men and do as they promise. Mr. [Stanhope] is despatched with the 4,000l.
Draft mostly in Paget's hand, pp. 3. Endd. : Mynute to my l. of Suff., xvijo Novembris 1543.
17 Nov.
Add. MS. 5,754, f. 85 B. M.
395. The Privy Council to [the Bp. Of Carlisle and Sir Thos. Wharton]. We have received your letters by bearer, Wm. Garfurth, and declared their contents to the King, who answers that you, my lord of Carlisle, shall pay 20l. 9s. 1d., therein mentioned, as due for buildings there since the departure of Stephen van Hascenperg, and Garfurth's wages for the oversight of the same. Also, as you request, bearer shall be "clerk of th'ordnance, the works and store there." As to the finishing of works there; upon the perfection of the works at Hull, John Rogers shall repair both to Carlisle and Wark, upon whose certificate the King will determine. As to the warrant you desire for lead taken at the late monastery of Shappe, Mr. Chancellor of the Augmentations shall be spoken with when he arrives here. Ampthill, 17 Nov. 1543.
P.S. in Mason's hand.The King's pleasure is that you Mr. Wh[arton] in case you be executor to Sir Thos. Curwen, lately deceased, shall cause an inventory to be made of the King's stuff in Sheriffhutton castle, whereof Curwen had the keeping. If not, he is to order such as are executors to do this and send it up. Signatures lost.
Pp. 2. Fly leaf with address lost.
Add. MS. 5,754, f. 87. B. M. 2. "Costs, charges and expenses done in and about the King's Highness' castle of Carlysle" from Sunday 27 May 35 Hen. VIII. to 17 Nov. next ensuing.
A long list of small amounts paid to various persons for nails, hair for plaster, candles and solder for glasiers, and for wages, for work done upon the castle and bulwarks of Carlisle. Total 20l. 9s. 1d.
Pp. 3.
17 Nov.
R. O. Rymer, xv. 10.
396. The Bishop of Worcester.
Notarial instrument witnessing the resignation by John bp. of Worcester of his said bishopric, made in Hertleburye castle, Worc., 17 Nov. 1543, 34 r.r. Hen. VIII. in presence of Thos. Bagard, LL.D., Walter Blounte and Ric. Ewer, S.T.B.
Notarial attestations appended of Wm. Warmstrye and Thos. Wemme. Lat.
17 Nov.
R. O. St. P., V., 348.
397. Arran to Angus.
It being understood that Sir Ralph Saidleir, ambassador to the King of England, daily directed and received private writings to and from great men and small within this realm, the Ambassador was charged to show his commission to us, if he had any, and, if it were expired, to depart the realm. This charge was given him in your house of Temptallon, but he still remains, corrupting by money and otherwise great men of this realm. We pray you heartily to cause the said Ambassador to depart out of Temptallon within a short space after the receipt of this and so eschew the suspicion that is risen of you. Lendoris, Friday, 17 Nov (fn. 3). 1543. Signed.
P. 1. Add. Endd.
17 Nov.
Add. MS. 32,653, f. 122. B. M. Hamilton Papers, II., No. 123 (1).
398. Scotland.
Mary Queen of Scots' commission to Rothissay herald (blank space left for other names) to charge Archibald earl of Angus to rid Sir Ralph Saidlair, ambassador of the king of England, out of his house of Temptallon, within 48 hours, on pain of being reputed a resetter of Englishmen in time of war; it being understood by James earl of Arrane, protector and governor, and the Council that Saidlair directs and receives private writings to and from "sundry great and small men within this realm," and therefore should be charged to expone his commission (if he has any) to the Governor or else depart the realm. Lundors, 17 Nov., 1 Mary.
Copy, p. 1. Endd.
18 Nov.
R. O. St. P., v. 349.
399. Sadler to Suffolk and Tunstall.
Encloses in cipher a letter received from Angus this morning. Is informed that the Governor and Cardinal, probably finding their intended exploit upon the Northland lords not so facile as they supposed, have gone to Stirling and will come strongly to Edinburgh, to keep their Parliament, if not empeached by Angus's party. Temptallon, 18 Nov. Signed.
In cipher, p. 1. Add. Endd. : 1543.
R. O. Ib. 52. 2. Decipher of the above.
In the hand of Suffolk's clerk, p. 1
18 Nov.
Add. MS. 32,653. f. 80. B. M. Hamilton Papers, II., No. 107. Sadler State Papers, I. 345.
400. Angus to Sadler.
I am stopped of my purpose in coming to Edinburgh by my great friends' advice, and will "supersede" it as yet. And shortly you shall know my whole purpose and mind, as doubtless you know my brother's. Douglas, 18 Nov.
Copy in cipher, p. 1.
Ib. f. 81. 2. Decipher of the above.
P. 1.
18 Nov.
R. O. St. P. IX. 554.
401. Charles V. to Henry VIII.
Need not make a long letter, as the earl of Surrey (conte de Sorey) can tell occurrences here. He has shown whose son he is, and that he means to follow his father and his predecessors. With his gentle heart and dexterity, he needed no teaching, and Henry will command him nothing that he cannot execute. Valenciennes, 18 Nov. 1543. Signed.
French. Broadsheet, p. 1. Countersigned : Bave. Add. Endd.
R. O. [Sp. Cal. VI. II., No. 259.] 2. Draft of the above dated "de Valenciennes, xvijo de Novembre 1543." French, p. 1. Modern transcript from Vienna.
18 Nov.
R. O. St. P., IX. 552.
402. Wotton to Henry VIII.
Here has been little news save of the Emperor's camp at Landressy, whereof Mr. Bryan and Mr. Wallop will have given advertisement. At Mons with the Queen Regent, news came to him late; for, since my lord of London and Mr. Bryan came, she has supposed that they and Mr. Wallop would hear all from the Emperor and his Council. Lack of matter has, therefore, caused his long silence.
The Council lately wrote that a Scotch ship taken by the Dykegrave of Meidenblyke in Holland was good prize, and its taking a pleasure to Henry and service to the Emperor. Notified this to the Dykegrave; who answered that the Scots had already entered process against him in Holland and the Regent had commanded him to release them unless he could show cause why he should not so do; and he desired Wotton to obtain letters for him to the Commissioners of the process. Obtained these letters from the Regent and desired her to command the commissioners, in case sentence passed for the Scots, to stay them until he might advertise Henry. This she promised. Took opportunity, when she spoke of the "boasting and cracking that Frenchmen used," to feign that he had heard that they bruited the coming of the duke of Loreyne (then within a day's journey of this town) to be procured by the Emperor who was weary of war. She wondered at it, and said that surely it was not so; but that the French king procured it, and sent twice or thrice to hasten the Duke, even although he was sick, and the gentlemen who accompanied the Duke were favourers of the French. As to the Diet, the Germans pressed the Emperor to go thither; and, though it could not be so soon as they wished, she reckoned that he would go. Valenciennes, 18 Nov. 1543.
Hol., pp. 3. Add. Endd.
19 Nov.
R. O. St. P., IX. 555.
403. Brian to Henry VIII.
On Saturday, the 17th, the duke of Lorraine and his son arrived at Vallencia, with 200 horse; and, after dinner, had access to the Emperor and the Queen. Next morning Chantonay brought the writer to his father's (fn. 4) lodging, who made him sit down (there being present only himself and Joys, one of the principal secretaries) and said he was commanded to declare the duke of Lorraine's sayings, as follows. Details Granvelle's recital of Lorraine's speech, who, after wearying the Emperor with praises, pointed out that if the Emperor and French king continued at war, the Turk would overcome Christendom, and that the Germans were not yet in order; and after swearing, with his hand on his breast, that he "had no commission from none alive" (an oath learnt, as Granvelle said, in France, where "so they swear when they lie most"), said that Barbarosse should be sent out of France when the Emperor would, and desired a peace or else some truce. The Emperor replied, that, as to peace, since he had no commission it would be waste of wind to answer him, and, as for Barbarosse, he "was not a counsel for his coming" nor would "meddle with his going," thinking his abode the more charge to his enemy; and that he was in league with the King of England, without whom he would enterprise nothing. The Duke then went to the Queen and had like answer.
The Viceroy came in while Granvelle was speaking, who repeated all to him; and, as to the Emperor's doing nothing without the King, he said it would not be to the Emperor's honor to do otherwise after the King had done so lovingly to him. To that Brian pointed out the shame of such craft; and Granvelle said "No, no, be ye sure, Mons. Ambassador, that this knot is too fast knit to be unknit without both hands unknit it."
After dinner, Surrey, who had not had access since Wallop left, took leave of the Emperor and can report his gentleness. The Emperor then asked Brian if Granvelle had told him touching the duke of Lorrayne, and said "'Heard ye ever a stranger sort of coming?' 'Sir,' quod I, 'ye saw that at this present he had assembled all the power that he could make in all his realm and elsewhere to fight against you, and yet durst not tarry it. How will he do the next year when my master shall be of as great power of his own partie?' 'Mary,' quod th'Emperor, 'I trust, undone.' 'Now, Sir,' quod I, 'the sticking to you of a faithful friend makes your enemy to shrink.' 'And I,' quod he, 'never to fail my friend again.'" Surrey and Brian then went to the Queen, whom they found sitting before a fire, playing at cards with the duke of Lorraine. While Surrey spoke with the Queen, Brian saluted the Duke, who sat, as he is lame, and asked Brian, for their old acquaintance in France, to drink with him before he departed. The Queen then called Brian, "saying, 'Mons. Ambassador, heard you ever of so lean a message?' 'Madame,' quod I, 'if the broth be no fatter it is not worthy the supping.' With that she laughed; so we departed."
Was afterwards assured that Lorraine comes for peace, but the Emperor will do nothing without Henry. The Imperials have in Pyemond taken the marquis of Sallusse, whom the ambassador of Ferrar procures to have in exchange for Don Francisco Deays. This Sunday night, came Sir Thos. Palmer out of France, on his faith to pay 1,000 cr. ransom or else return within 40 days. He says the French desire peace with Henry. He was taken by young Damppeyer, the Dolphin's minion, from whom he brought a message (enclosed). "Grandvell said unto Mons. de Lorrayn We know that Mons. Lestrayng hath been with you three or four times within this month. This Lestrange is a Frenchman and husband to Lanjake." Palmer's letter shows how the French are inclined, and this Court shows no less desire. To-morrow the Emperor departs to Brussels, and Lorraine to the French king. Valencia, 19 Nov. Signed.
Pp. 4. Add. Sealed. Endd.

R. O. St. P., IX. 558.
404. Sir Thos. Palmer to Brian. "Sir, Mons. Daumper hath desired me to make his recommendations to you and to Mr. Wallop," and to desire you to learn what the King would demand of their King; thinking that anything reasonable would be accorded if the King would grant safe-conduct to some honorable man to come over. Thinks Daumper spoke his King's mind, for he came 10 leagues to tell the tale and returned to Court the same night. Next day, met, at a castle near Socion, a man of Loren, who said the Duke would repair to the Emperor to treat of peace with the French king. Made the more haste hither. All honest men in France pray for peace with Henry and esteem the Emperor nothing; saying that, but for the English in the camp, they would have given him battle; "and indeed if they show themselves no better than they did the day I was taken they be not much to be feared." Signed.
The night I was taken, a gentleman, servant either of the King or the Dolphin, said "he heard the French king wish that you had been with him at Quyse, to make good cheer with him, and that you should not lose one groat."
Hol., pp. 2. Enclosed in the preceding letter.
19 Nov.
R. O. [Spanish Calendar, VI. II., No. 260.]
405. Charles V. to Chapuys.
In pursuance of what Granvelle wrote yesterday of the Duke of Lorraine's coming, the Duke arrived the same day about dinner time, and told the Emperor that he came to do his duty as a prince of the Empire, and (considering the ills which daily succeeded in Christendom from this war, and the danger of its entire perdition through the matter of religion and the advance of the Turk) to beg the Emperor to listen to means of peace; protesting, however, that what he said was of himself without charge of the king of France or of any other. Replied that all Christendom knew what he had always done to maintain peace, and that [the king of France] had repeatedly commenced the war, and could make no promise that might be trusted; and, as for the troubles in religion and the descent of the Turk, all Christendom knew what he had done to prevent them, and who was their cause and had incited the Turk. The Duke then offered to go to the king of France and learn his intention; but the Emperor told him there was no need, since he had no charge, and he himself would not treat without due regard to the King of England and other allies and friends.
Afterwards the Duke held the same language to the Queen and to Granvelle; and the Emperor caused it forthwith to be declared to Briant, and afterwards repeated it to him and the earl of Sorey who came to take leave. At night the Duke returned to the Emperor and recommenced the practice, offering again to return by France if the Emperor would propose some means of peace or was inclined thereto. Answered as on the preceding day, adding that he would make no overture, nor give the Duke occasion to return by France, as the French were giving out that the Duke came hither at his request. Will persist in this language until the Duke's return, and if possible will depart to-morrow so as to give reason for his brief return. Valenciennes, 19 Nov. 1543.
French, pp. 3. Modern transcript from Vienna.
20 Nov.
R. O.
406. Sir Thos. Pope to Mr. Clerke, Bailey of Whetstone, and The Late Wife Of John Rolf, Collier.
Has received a letter from the Chancellor of the Augmentations that the Church of Powlles is appointed to have the manor of Whetstone (fn. 5) in exchange with the King for other lands, the timber and woods of the said manor being reserved for the said church. Desires them therefore to stay the felling of the woods sold to them, and they shall have as much elsewhere. St. Albons, 20 Nov.
Hol. p. 1. Add. Mutilated.

Add. MS. 32,653. f. 134. B. M. Hamilton Papers, II., No 126 (2).
407. Suffolk to Sir George Douglas.
According to the communications between him and Suffolk which were put in writing and sent to the King (who has a firm trust in his brother and him, and in Glencarne, Cassels, the sheriff of Ayr and other lords in the North parts, that they will now show themselves like noblemen against his enemies and theirs), the King commands Suffolk to deliver them 1,500l.; which shall be sent with all diligence to Berwick and there delivered to such as bring bills of the said lords and Douglas for receipt thereof. Is further commanded to declare that, if they proceed as the King expects, they shall lack no aid of another sort than France will give to the other party; for France will have enough to do to help himself, and the king of Denmark is in like case, and the King's aid is at hand. Where Douglas said that he gave only his own opinion, but would declare it to his brother and the rest, Suffolk desires to know their minds therein. Assures him that the King has an "entire trust" in his brother and him and would be glad to hear of their proceedings.
Copy, pp. 2. Endd. : "Copie of my l. of Suffolk lettre to Sir George Douglas."
20 Nov.
Add. MS. 32,653, f. 75. B. M. Hamilton Papers, II., No. 105.
408. Suffolk and Tunstall to the Council.
Perceive by theirs of the 16th and 17th inst., that Suffolk shall with all speed advance 1,500l. to the King's friends in Scotland, sending to the King's receivers in these parts for it, to whom he has accordingly written; but, as succour is needed forthwith, he also wrote to the mayor and aldermen of Newcastle, who have advanced 1,000 marks; and, by deferring the garrisons' wages, the sum is made up and shall be at Berwick on Thursday night. Suffolk has advertised the King's friends thereof and written letters of comfort to Angus and Sir George Douglas, of like effect save that Douglas's letter mentions conversation had with him. Had twice before that written encouraging letters to them, always bidding them beware of fair words. The Council wrote that Suffolk should cause the two ships which wafted the King's beer to look out for ships out of the Frith, and warn the King's other ships in the Narrow Seas. Wrote to Shelley to send one of them back to the Narrow Seas for that purpose, and also to advertise them not to trouble John a Barton's two ships, having safe conduct, although John a Barton himself comes by land. If they are not both departed into Flanders to waft the King's beer, one shall waft the beer and the other come to the Narrow Seas. Suffolk has advertised Sir George Douglas that the King grants John a Barton's safeconduct. Enclose a letter from Sadler to them, and the copy of one from Angus to Sadler, both in cipher, with the "unciphering" of them; also a letter of Sir George Douglas for Master Somervell to have licence to go home on pledges, wherein Angus and Sadler have written to the Council heretofore, and the writers have also twice written. As the father is in prison for the King's cause, the request should be granted. Sir George writes also for the lord of Mowe, who was taken breaking the truce and not as a prisoner of war. Enclose a letter of Wharton's, with one of John Moores, Scottishman, espial. Where the espial mentions great garrisons to be laid on the Scottish borders; they think a lord warden should now be on the Borders to direct exploits. Darnton, 20 Nov. Signed.
P.S.In case the King's two ships are departed from Berwick to Flanders (as Suffolk wrote to Sir George that John a Barton's safeconduct should come by next post, and lest it be too late) the lord Admiral should send word to the ships on the Narrow Seas to let John a Barton's two ships pass. Have written to Wharton to advertise Robt. Maxwell of the aid now given to the King's friends; and Suffolk has written to Sir George Douglas that Robt. Maxwell, "among other, be remembered." Where the King requires Suffolk to advertise Angus, Casselles and Glencarne of Sir George's discourse; at Sir George's special request he forbore to do so, but wrote to Angus that he had had a long discourse with his brother, who no doubt would declare it to him. Has also written to Sir George "not to forget to make his declaration" to the King's friends as he promised.
Pp. 4. Add. Sealed. Endd. : 1543.
20 Nov.
R. O.
409. Town Of Ragusa to Henry VIII.
Profess gratitude for his innumerable benefits to their fellow citizens trading in England, whom they again commend to his favour. Rhagusii, 20 Nov. 1543. Subscribed : "Devotiss., Rector et Consilium Rhagusii."
Lat., p. 1. Add. Endd.


  • 1. November 11th.
  • 2. Valenciennes.
  • 3. The date is "Fredday the xvij day of November," but Friday was the 16th not the 17th of Nov. in 1543.
  • 4. Granvelle's.
  • 5. The manor of Whetstone came into the King's hands by the suppression of the Knights of St. John, and was granted by him, as here indicated, to the dean and chapter of St. Paul's, 9 June 1544. See Pat. Roll, 36 Hen. VIII., p. 21, m. 29.