Henry VIII: November 1530, 1-10 | British History Online

Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, Volume 4, 1524-1530. Originally published by Her Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1875.

'Henry VIII: November 1530, 1-10', in Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, Volume 4, 1524-1530, (London, 1875) pp. 3026-3029. British History Online https://www.british-history.ac.uk/letters-papers-hen8/vol4/pp3026-3029 [accessed 24 April 2024]

November 1530



1 Nov. S. B.	6710. HENRY VIII.
	1. Acknowledgment of the receipt from Francis I., at Calais, of 47,368 gold crowns of the sun, and 16 sous of Tours, (each crown being worth 38s. of Tours,) in part payment of 1,894,736 g. cr. Westminster Palace, 1 Nov. 1530, 22 Hen. VIII.
S. B.	2. Acknowledgment of the receipt from the same, at Calais, of 50,000 g. cr. of the sun, in part payment of 150,000 g. cr. of the sun, 40,000 angels, and 35,000 g. cr., (fn. 1) which sums are due to the King by Charles V., and are to be deducted from the ransom of the French king's sons. Same date.
1 Nov. Rym. XIV. 407.	6711. PRIORY OF SHENE.
	Grant of John Joburne, prior of Shene, in co. Surrey, to the King, of their possessions in Lewesham and East Greenwich. Chapterhouse, 1 Nov. 1530. With a recognisance of the same.
	Close roll, 22 Hen. VIII. m. 13 d.
2 Nov. Theiner, p. 593.	6712. JAMES V. to CLEMENT VII.
	Although his affairs at the Papal court are generally transacted by the duke of Albany, yet, as he has certain secrets which he wishes to communicate to the Pope by word of mouth, he sends Sir Thos. Erskin, his chief secretary, for that purpose. St. John's Town, 2 Nov. 1530.
3 Nov. Vit. B. XIII. 129 b. B. M.	6713. [CROKE to HENRY VIII.]
	On 19 October sent to the King, by Edmond Harwel, two books printed by Rhaphael Comensis: one, containing two counsels, for and against the King; and the other, one counsel, pretended to be written in the King's favor. The constant rumor here of books printed in English and divulged in England against the King, has furthered Rhaphael's evil intent in setting forth these books. Hears that Luther and others have written against the King. The Lutherans here bark and cry out against him, saying that no marriage is prohibited by Divine law, because all were lawful before the written law, which is now "abrogate and abolete" by the Gospel. Sent also by Harwell two letters to the King, his case printed by his ambassador, copies of letters from Cœlius, Braynus, and Parisius, and excerpts of Greek and Latin, noted partly by the bishop of London, and partly by Croke. Sends these excerpts again, with copies of Cœlius' and Parisius' letters. Would gladly go to Thaurine, if the bishop of London, who is known there as the King's ambassador, had any comfort from those he spake with. Thinks it best to practise here, utterly dissembling to be the King's servant. Dares not as yet adventure upon Cremona, Pavia, Milan, nor Mantua, as the ambassador says that "he wol procure there," which he may easily do by the end of next month, and if Croke goes thither he may say that it has hindered him. Friar Thomas would have given him his counsel, but because he had altered priorem impetum, and written many things ambiguously which might be construed in favor of the Pope's dispensing power, would not take it until these points were amended. Friar Dionysius says that his resort to the Emperor's ambassador is on behalf of his exiled brother. He has two counsels here in favor of the King's cause, with sundry subscriptions, but Croke cannot get them. Will know how all matters frame when father Francis comes; meantime dissembles with all men. Rhaphael's book has infinitely hurt men's towardness. Asks the King to provide remedies against the evils he has mentioned. Venice, 3 Nov.
	Hol., copy, p. 1, mutilated.
3 Nov. Vit. B. XIII. 129. B. M.	6714. [CROKE to HENRY VIII.]
	Encloses a letter of 27 Oct., by which the King will see that he has hopes of recovering the great loss [of the determination of] Ferrara by means of a friar "longing to" ..., about which "let" he wrote from Ferrara, on 30 Sept. and 4 Oct., "by An... to Genyn, the curriar, dwelling without Temple Bar," and letters from ... [by] Edmond Harwel, 18 Oct. Now sends [by] Pandulphus Cynamye, correspondent to Anthony Bonvice, the duplicates [of the said] letters, and two books printed by Rhaphael Comensis. Sends copies of Braynus' and Parisius' letters to Hannibal, and Hannibal's to Croke, keeping the originals, and also those of letters from Sir Gregory, Crusinus, and father Francis, "for the probation ... against partial report." Wishes all he sends to be kept secret, "for where[as on my coming to Venice] I resorted, by my lord of London's commandment, unto ... house to demand certain counsels that my said Lord left with [him, he desiring] to speak with me, sent me by his chaplain this message, that is to say ... amplius domum ipsius, ne haberet occasionem male merendi de me for ... as I had written unto your Highness against him, whereof he said he [had the proofs] ready, and that he was promised to have out of England shor[tly] ... part by copy, part of mine own hand."
	[Matters] are so handled in Croke's absence, that he dares not depa[rt] lest all miscarry, and tarrying here he does no good, or very [little]. Fears the King will not find a remedy until Croke has spoken to him. The [rumor] of books printed in English, "setteth forth marvellously the mischievous intent of [Rhaphael] in printing this book, whom, if your Highness cause not shortly t[o forbear] other by the Senate or by the Pope, in cujus breve apertissime ... [your] Highness shall see a great many more slip the string in ... no more but advertise your Highness." [Venice], 3 Nov.
	Hol., copy, p. 1, mutilated.
3 Nov. Add. 28, 582, f. 2. B. M.	6715. MAI to CHARLES V.
	Has importuned the Pope a thousand times about the two points remaining in the memorial touching the separation of the king and queen of England, and for the new inhibition against the King proceeding to marry de facto, "y haseme defendido con el mal de Anchona." Today he sent for Ancona and the English ambassadors in my presence to come to the palace, but, owing to the entry of the duke of Albany, the interview did not take place. The minute has already been drawn that the universities should assemble lawfully, and give their opinions and reasons. Order has been taken to this effect for Padua and Bologna, and even for Paris. Rome, 3 Nov. 1530.
	Sp., pp. 2, modern copy from Simancas.
3 Nov. Ashmol, 826, f. 30.	6716. SCOTLAND.
	"Articulis credentialis severalie gevin to our familiare servand Thomas Scot, gentillman of our house, to be schowin to our derrest uncle the king of England."
	ii. A certificate, written and signed by the said Thomas Scot, that the foregoing is a true copy. Dated Westm., 3 Nov. 1530.
5 Nov. Add. 28, 582, f. 11. B. M.	6717. THE DIVORCE.
	News from the Nuncio in France, dated Blois, 5 Nov.
	* * "I think that all delay his Holiness can cause to the king of England in his matrimonial cause is well justified, provided that no injustice be done, and the Emperor be not offended; of which his Holiness will take care. I say this deliberately, for I do not doubt that if this demand (of the king of England) in this matrimonial cause is superseded, it is for some purpose which God will direct for the best. I hear that the King makes all efforts that his cause be decided in England in his favor; and as he sees that those who are to take part in the diet are not in his favor (a suo preposito), and perhaps doubting that sentence will be given earlier in Rome than in England, he makes this demand to delay the process. I hear from a person who has come from there (England), that that man (questo homo) is at present more obstinate in the matter than ever, and all that is done from here (France ?) is insufficient to change the mind of the King. I think, however, that a letter ought to be written to his Holiness, asking him to defer the despatch of an answer from Rome."
	Pp. 2. Modern abstract of a paper at Simancas, endorsed: "Summary of the letters and news from France which Musetula sends."
Ib. f. 13.	2. Modern copy of the original of the preceding.
	Ital., p. 1.
5 Nov.	6718. CECILY MARCHIONESS OF DORSET.
	Her will, 6 May 1527. Proved 5 Nov. 1530. Printed in Nicholas' Testamenta Vetusta, p. 631.
8 Nov. Add. MS. 28,582, f. 14. B. M.	6719. NEWS.
	"News from France (sent by the Nuncio), 8 Nov. * * *
	"The letters from Rome produce rather unfavorable impression on the king of France, as he suspects the Pope of too great partiality for the Emperor. The king of England asks to be paid what is due to him, and 8,000 ducats more.
	Ital., pp. 1½. Endd.: Summary of the letters and news from France which Musetula sends.
10 Nov. Le Grand, III. 527.	6720. DE VAUX to MONTMORENCY.
	Has communicated to the King the substance of his letter of the 23rd, who was greatly pleased with it, and trusted that if Mons. de Noircarmes or De Robadanges had carried from the Emperor to Francis a thing of any consequence his good brother would have informed him. He desired Francis most urgently to write as often as possible about himself and his mother, and of any news that might occur. In a long conversation I had with the King that day, and again yesterday, he appeared anxious for a familiar meeting with Francis without ceremony. He thinks he will cross the sea, and that the interview might be had about Ardres; but I passed this over on both occasions without reply, the thing being of so great importance. I was also not certain how far it would serve your interests. For the rest I refer you to letters to the King and the bishop of Bayonne about the danger (caso) of the Cardinal. London, 8 Nov. 1530.
	P.S.—I have delayed this despatch to learn more about the poor Cardinal; concerning whom the King, and the lords of his Council, have assured me, with oaths, that they have not the slightest suspicion of me, but have every good opinion, and hold me as a dear servant. Norfolk and Suffolk have begged me firmly to believe it; but as to the Cardinal, I fear he cannot do well. They say they have many important causes against him; and the King says he has intrigued against them, both in and out of his kingdom, and has told me where and how, and that one and perhaps more of his servants have discovered it, and accused him. I am much grieved for his danger. Norfolk yesterday spoke a word to me about the proposed interview, so that it seems there is plenty of inclination on this side; but the thing is so important I do not know what to say. I have just received your letter of the 3rd, and in answer may say that I have given to the King the packet addressed to him, who thanks you for your diligence. They have letters from Rome of the 24th ult., which are later than these. As to the pension of the marquis of Ossester (Exeter), Francis, I think, has done well to make it die with the the person. 10 Nov. 1530.
	Ital. Add.