House of Lords Journal Volume 10: 25 July 1648

Pages 394-396

Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 10, 1648-1649. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.

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DIE Martis, 25 die Julii.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Carter.

Domini præsentes fuerunt:

Comes Manchester, Speaker.

Comes Kent.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Mulgrave.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Suffolke.
Comes Lyncolne.
Ds. North.
Ds. Hunsdon.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. Maynard.
Ds. Howard.

Ordinance to raise Horse in Hunt.

The Earl of Manchester reported, "That the Committee hath considered of the Ordinance for raising and maintaining of a Troop of Horse, for the County of Huntington; and they think it fit to pass, as it came from the House of Commons."

Then the said Ordinance was read the Third Time, and Agreed to. (Here enter it.)

Pacy and Snellock.

Upon reading the Petition of Steven Pacy; complaining, "That, by reason of the Prosecution of Mordant Snellocke, he cannot have the Benefit of the Orders of this House, for his Releasement:"

It is Ordered, That the said Snellocke shall attend this House on Thursday Morning, and shew Cause why he should not be released; and in Default thereof, the said Snellocke shall be taken into safe Custody, by the Gentleman Usher attending this House.

Message from the H. C. with a Vote approving of the Catechisms; and for the Commissioners in Scotl. to be recalled.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Robert Harley Knight; who brought up,

A Vote for approving of the Large and Short Catechism presented to them from the Assembly of Divines, wherein they desire their Lordships Concurrence.

2. To acquaint their Lordships with a Vote which they have made, "That the Members of their House that are in Scotland be re-called, and return into this Kingdom;" and they thought it good to give their Lordships Notice thereof, that so their Lordships may call Home the Members of their House, if they think fit.

Ordered, That this House agrees in re-calling the Members of both Houses that are now in Scotland.

The Answer returned was:


That this House agrees in the re-calling out of Scotland the Members of both Houses of Parliament that are Commissioners there: To the other Vote, concerning the approving of the Two Catechisms, their Lordships will take the same into Consideration, and will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Ordinance concerning the E. I. Co.

An Ordinance concerning the East India Company, was brought in, and read Twice; and ordered to be committed to the former Committee: And the Earl of Kent and the Earl of Mulgrave added to the said Committee. And Mr. Curteene and Mr. Alderman Fowkes to have Notice of it; and the Business to be heard Friday come Sevennight.

Mrs. Baugh, Colley, & al. Petition, about their Husbands, Slaves in Morocco.

Upon reading the Petition of Sara Baugh, Mary Colley, and others; shewing, "That their Husbands are Slaves under the King of Morocca, who will not release them, unless the King of England send a Letter to Him; therefore they desire a Pass, to go to the King, in the Isle of Wight, to procure His Letter:"

It is Ordered, That it be made appear that the King of Morocca will release them upon the King's Letter.

Ly. Rowe's Petition, for Sir W. Rowe, in Colchester, to be exchanged.

Upon reading the Petition of Dame Eliz. Rowe, in Behalf of her Husband Sir Wm. Rowe, now Prisoner in Colchester; desiring, "That either Sir Tho. Payton, Sir Ric. Page, or Mr. Phillip Welby, may be sent to Colchester, for Exchange of her Husband:"

It is Ordered, To be sent to the House of Commons.

Ly. Harcourt's Ordinance.

An Ordinance concerning the Lady Harcourt, was read Twice, and committed to these Lords following:

Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Kent.
Comes Mulgrave.
Comes Manchester.
Comes Rutland.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. North.
Ds. Hunsdon.

Any Three; to meet on Thursday Morning, at Nine a Clock.

Mons. Montreul, a Pass.

Ordered, That Monsieur De Montereul shall have a Pass, to transport into France Four Coach-horses, and Eight Saddle-horses, Custom-free; and the Concurrence of the House of Commons to be desired herein.

E. of Manchester, Leave to be absent.

Ordered, That the Earl of Manchester shall have Leave to be absent from his Attendance on this House, for Ten Days.

Barker arrested.

Upon reading the Petition of Wm. Barker; shewing, "That having formerly an Order of this House, for to be free from Arrests; yet, notwithstanding, he is arrested, at the Suit of one Ralph Grinder, by Ridley and Beare, Serjeants, who contemptuously and scornfully threw away the Order of this House, and would not give Obedience to the same:"

Grinder & al. sent for.

It is Ordered, That the said Ralph Grinder, Ridley, and Beare, shall appear before this House on Thursday Morning next, to answer their said Contempts.

Heads for a Conference about a Treaty.

The Lord North reported from the Committee, Reasons to be offered at a Conference with the House of Commons, in Answer to their Reasons delivered at the last Free Conference, for adhering to their Vote for the King's granting the Three Propositions before a Treaty; which were read.

"The Answer to the First Reason:

"The Counties that press for a free immediate Personal Treaty with the King, towards a Peace, cannot with like Reason urge Conclusions destructive to Public Security upon a Treaty; nor will there be any proportionable Reason for the Parliament to comply with such a Desire.

"The Answer to the Second Reason:

"How necessary soever the Three Propositions may be in Conclusion for Safety in a Peace, provided that the Circumstances of a Treaty be secure; they cannot be conceived so necessary to go before a Peace and Treaty, more than hitherto they have been to our Subsistence during the War.

"The Answer to the Third Reason:

"Though these Propositions are new to neither Part, and that the King hath expressed some Inclination to give Satisfaction to them; yet He hath ever affirmed, that He would be concluded by nothing till the End of the Treaty; whereupon much Time will be spent, with little Hope in obtaining.

"The Answer to the Fourth Reason:

"As to the Inconveniencies supposed to ensue in case the Treaty take no Effect, whereunto might be added many more if not provided for; it is conceived a sufficient Answer, That all Things will remain in the same State as when the Treaty begun, which cannot be apprehended as any Loss or Prejudice.

"Upon the whole Matter, the Lords do not conceive that their preceding Reasons are answered by what was delivered at the last Meeting. And finding no further Satisfaction whereupon to alter their Opinions, omitting much more that might be offered in Support thereof, they still continue to think good, that a convenient Treaty may be admitted, without insisting upon the Three Propositions to be granted before-hand."

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House approves of these Reasons, to be offered to the House of Commons at a Conference.

Message from the H. C. about it.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by John Crewe Esquire:

To desire their Lordships would please to give an Answer to the Reasons delivered to their Lordships at the last Free Conference.

The Answer returned was:


That this House will take their Message into speedy Consideration, and send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Message to them, for a Conference about a Treaty;—and for the Embargo to be taken off.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Doctor Bennett and Mr. Page:

To desire a present Free Conference, in the Painted Chamber, touching the Matter of the last Free Conference.

2. To deliver to them the Petition of the Governors of the Merchant Adventurers; and to desire (fn. 1) they may be released from the Embargo, and all others of the like Nature.

Col. Devereux's Petition.

Upon reading the Petition of Colonel Nic. Devereux:

It is Ordered, To be recommended to the House of Commons.

Ly. Butler's Petition.

Upon reading the Petition of the Lady Butler and others:

It is Ordered, To be sent to the House of Commons, with Recommendations.

Answer from the H. C.

Doctor Bennett and Mr. Page return with this Answer from the House of Commons:

That they will give a present Free Conference, as is desired.

Evans to be instituted to Llandrige.

Ordered, That Doctor Aylett give Institution and Induction unto Evan Evans, to the Rectory of Llandrige, in Com. Merioneth, void by the Death of the last Incumbent; Salvo Jure cujuscunque: Granted by the Great Seal.

Ordinance for raising a Troop of Horse in Huntingdonshire.

"Whereas, by Ordinance of Parliament, bearing Date the 19th of June, 1648, Power is given to the Committee of Lords and Commons sitting at Derby House, to grant Commissions to such Captains and their inferior Officers as they should think fit, for the raising of Horse and Foot, for securing the County of Hunt. and suppressing of Tumults; and the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do now hereby order and ordain, That the Committee for the said County, or any Four of them, have hereby full Power and Authority to nominate and make Assessors and Collectors; which said Collectors and Assessors shall hereby have Power to tax, assess, levy, and collect, by an equal and proportionable Rate or Assessment, upon all the Inhabitants, and all Lords and Owners of any Lands, Tenements, Rents, Annuities, Rent Charges, and other Yearly Profits whatsoever, arising, lying, and being, within the said County, or issuing out of any Parts thereof, so much Money, not exceeding the Sum of One Thousand Pounds, as will serve to buy and provide Horses, and all Necessaries whatsoever, for the furnishing of One Troop of Horse, to consist of Seventy Troopers, besides the Captain and other Officers; and the said Committee shall and hereby also have Power and Authority to nominate and make Assessors and Collectors, which said Assessors and Collectors shall hereby also have Power, by [ (fn. 2) an equal] and indifferent Rate and Assessments, to tax, assess, and collect, such further Weekly Sums of Money, upon all the Inhabitants, and all Lords and Owners of any Lands, Tenements, Rents, Annuities, Rent Charges, and other Yearly Profits whatsoever, arising, lying, and being, within the said County, or issuing out of any Part thereof, as will satisfy and discharge the Weekly Pay of the said Captain, Officers, and Troopers, and other incident Charges, the said Weekly Assessment not to exceed the Sum of Four Score Pounds, and to continue for Six Months next ensuing the Date of this present Ordinance: And the Committee of the said County of Huntingdon are hereby authorized to appoint a General Receiver, into whose Hands the Money so raised as aforesaid shall be paid, which said Receiver shall issue forth the said Monies by Warrant under the Hands of the Committee of the said County, or any Four of them, for the Purposes expressed in this Ordinance; the said Troopers and Officers to be paid according to the Establishment of the Lord General Fairefaxe's Army: And the said Committee is further authorized to reward such as they shall employ in assessing, collecting, receiving, and issuing out of the said Monies, for the Uses aforesaid, out of the said Weekly Assessment, according to the Ordinance of the 23th of June, 1647, intituled, "An Ordinance of the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, for raising of Money, to be employed towards the Maintenance of Forces within this Kingdom, under the Command of Sir Thomas Fairefax Knight; and for the speedy transporting the Forces for carrying on the War of Ireland:" And it is hereby further Ordered and Ordained, That the aforesaid Troop shall (fn. 3) not be drawn or (fn. 4) commanded out of the County of Huntingdon, without the Consent of the Committee of the said County, or any Four of them, whensoever they shall be thereunto required: And it is hereby further Ordained, That in case any Person or Persons, rated or assessed as aforesaid, shall refuse to pay, or shall not, within Six Days after Demand thereof by the said Collectors, pay the several Sums of Money so rated or assessed upon him or them, it shall then be lawful for the said Committee, or any Three or more of them, by Warrant under their Hands, to cause the Goods of all and every such Person or Persons refusing or not paying to be distrained and sold, rendering to the Parties distrained the Overplus of the Money remaining upon Sale of their said Goods, if any shall be; and to take further Course for the levying and collecting the said Weekly Assessment, as is ordained, directed, or appointed, by the aforesaid Ordinance of 23 Junii, 1647: And it is hereby further Ordered and Ordained, That all and every such Person and Persons as shall act or give Obedience to this present Ordinance shall, for such their Acting and Obedience, be saved harmless, and kept indemnified, by Authority of this present Parliament: And be it hereby further Ordained, That neither of the Universities, nor any College whatsoever, nor any Hall, Hospital, Alms-house, or Free-school, or any of them, or any Member of any of them, or any of their Rents or Revenues, or Tenants in Respect of their Lands or Tenements, or any other Tenant or Landholder whatsoever, within the said County, be, or shall be hereby, charged or taxed, otherwise than is ordered or provided for them, and every of them respectively, by the Ordinance of 23 Junii beforementioned."

Commissioners in Scotland re-called.

"Resolved, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled,

"That the Members of both Houses that are in Scotland be re-called, and return into this Kingdom."


House adjourned till 10a, Thursday Morning next.


  • 1. Origin. their Lordships.
  • 2. Origin. a lequal.
  • 3. Deest in Originali.
  • 4. Origin. command.