House of Lords Journal Volume 10: 20 November 1648

Pages 596-597

Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 10, 1648-1649. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.

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DIE Lunæ, 20 die Novembris.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Salwey.

Domini præsentes fuerunt:

Comes Manchester, Speaker.

Comes Salisbury.
Comes Mulgrave.
Comes Suffolke.
Comes Stamford.
L. Viscount Hereford.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Kent.
L. Viscount Say & Scale.
Ds. Hunsdon.
Ds. Mountagu.
Ds. Dacres.
Ds. Bruce.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. North.
Ds. Maynard.
Ds. Grey.

E. of Holland to be removed to The Tower.

Upon Information to this House, of the ill Health of the Earl of Holland; with a Desire, "That he might be brought from Warwicke Castle to The Tower of London, for the better Recovery of his Health:"

It is Ordered, That a Letter be written to the General, for his Removal thither; and that the Gentleman Usher attending this House do bring him to The Tower, there to remain under the same Restraint he now lies under at Warwicke Castle.

Letter, &c. from the Commissioners.

A Letter from the Isle of Wight, with the Papers from the Commissioners, were read. (Here enter them.)

Wyld and Wright.

Ordered, That the Errors in the Writ of Error between Wright Plaintiff, and Wyld and others Defendants, shall be heard, by Counsel on both Sides, on Friday Morning next.

Davis and Smith.

Ordered, That the Errors in the Writ of Error between Davis Plaintiff, and Solomon Smyth Defendant, which should have (fn. 1) been argued by Counsel this Day, shall be put off for Ten Days longer.

Letter to L. Fairfax.

The Letter to the Lord General, concerning the Earl of Holland, was read, and approved of, and ordered to be sent to the General. (Here enter it.)

Lancaster to be instituted to Quarley.

Ordered, That Doctor Aylett do give Institution and Induction to Robert Lancaster Clerk, to the Rectory of Quarley, in the County of South'ton; presented thereunto by Mr. John Pittman, the Patron.

Letter from the Commissioners, with the following Papers about the Treaty.

"For the Right Honourable the Earl of Manchester, Speaker of the House of Peers pro Tempore. These. Westminster.

"My Lord,

"We herewith present unto your Lordship an Account of our Proceedings upon that which by your Command was proposed to the King concerning the Lord of Ormond. We have acquainted the King with the last Votes which we received concerning the Church; in Pursuance whereof, we shall observe your Directions. We remain

Newport, 18 Nov. 1648.

"Your Lordship's

"Humble Servants,

"Northumberland. Middlesex."

** The King's Paper in Answer to the Commissioners of the 11th, concerning the Lord of Ormond.


"For an Answer to you, as to your Paper of the 11th of November Instant concerning Ireland;

"His Majesty faith, That He hath, by His former Answer concerning the Kingdom of Ireland (which His Two Houses have voted satisfactory), declared and made void all Treaties and Conclusions of Peace, or any Articles thereupon, with the Rebels, without Consent of both Houses of Parliament; and to settle in them the Power of the Militia, and Prosecution of the War there, whereby, upon the Conclusion of this Treaty with Peace, the Desire of His Two Houses in this Particular will be fully obtained. And His Majesty will then command the Marquis of Ormond to desist from any Treaty or Proceedings; and in case he shall resuse (which He assures Himself he will not), His Majesty will make such Public Declaration against his Power and Proceedings as is now desired. But, until such a Conclusion, His Majesty desires He may not be further pressed in this Particular.

"Newport, 16 Novembr. 1648.


"Edm. Warcupp, Secr. Commiss.
"Ro. Blackborne, Secr. Commiss.

** The Commissioners Reply to the King's Paper concerning the Lord of Ormond.

"Newport, 16 Nov. 1648.

"Having received Your Majesty's Answer of the 16th of this Instant November to our Paper of the 11th, wherein Your Majesty referreth, that, upon the Conclusion of the Treaty with Peace, the Desire of Your Two Houses in this Particular will be fully obtained: We humbly conceive, the Houses desire Your Majesty's Public Declaration against any Power in the Lord of Ormond to treat and conclude a Peace with the Rebels in Ireland, and against his Proceedings, for the present disavowing and discountenancing thereof; and that Your Majesty's Answer relates only to the future, and will be interpreted to be in the mean Time a countenancing and approving of those Proceedings; which we humbly desire Your Majesty to take into Your serious Consideration, with such other Reasons as we have offered in Debate; and do humbly desire Your Majesty to give Your full Consent to our Desires expressed in our Paper of the 11th Instant.


"Ro. Blackborne, Secr. Commiss.
"Edm. Warcupp, Secr. Commiss."

** The King's final Answer to the Commissioners Paper of the 11th, concerning Ormond.


"For a final Answer to you, as to your Paper of the 11th of this Instant, concerning Ireland;

"His Majesty faith, That He doth acknowledge that, by your Paper of the 16th Instant, the Difference betwixt the Desires of His Two Houses and His Majesty's Answer, concerning the Proceedings of the Marquis Ormond, is truly stated and observed; for that the Two Houses do desire His Majesty to make a present Declaration against the Power and Proceedings of the Marquis: And His Majesty doth consent to make the same at the Conclusion of this Treaty in Peace, which He believeth is very reasonable on His Part to insist on, since the making of such Declaration at the End of this Treaty joins it with His own Freedom and Security, and the publishing the same presently separates it from that Consideration. But His Majesty conceives it is not rightly inferred, nor that His Answer can reasonably be interpreted to be any Countenance or Approbation of those Proceedings, since His Majesty hath consented to the Matter desired, and differs only in the Circumstance of Time, which He hopes His Two Houses will make very short. The other Parts of your Debate His Majesty hath well considered of, as He hopes you have done of His Replies thereunto; and therefore He adheres to His former Answer in this Business, and desires His Two Houses to consider the Largeness of His Concessions in this Treaty, and, upon that Foundation, to proceed to a speedy Settlement of a blessed Peace in England; which His Majesty conceives the most probable Means to reduce Ireland.

"Newport, 17th Nov. 1648.


"Edm. Warcupp, Secr. Commiss."
"Ro. Blackborne, Secr. Commiss."

** The Commissioners Paper upon Receipt of the King's final Answer concerning Ormond.

"Newport, 17 Nov. 1648.

"Having received Your Majesty's Paper of this 17th of November Instant, as Your final Answer to ours of the 11th, concerning Your Majesty's declaring against the Proceedings of the Lord of Ormond in Ireland; we shall transmit the same to both Houses of Parliament; and go on with the Treaty, according to our Instructions.


"Edm. Warcupp, Secr. Commiss.
"Ro. Blackborne, Secr. Commiss."

Letter to L. Fairfax, for the E. of Holland to be removed from Warwick, to The Tower of London.

"My Lord,

"The Lords in Parliament, being informed of the Earl of Holland's great Indisposition of Health, and that it groweth every Day so fast upon him, that, if some present Remedy be not afforded to him, it may endanger his Life; they do therefore desire your Excellency, That, according to this Order, he may be delivered to the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod, to be speedily conveyed up to The Tower of London, there to remain Prisoner. This is all I have in Command, as

"Your Excellency's

"Friend and humble Servant,

"E. Manchester."

Wynne to be instituted to Llangwin.

Ordered, That Doctor Bennett give Institution and Induction unto Jo. Wynne Clerk, to the Vicarage of Llangun, alias Llangwin, in Com. Denbigh, void by the Death of the last Incumbent; salvo Jure cujuscunque: Granted by the Great Seal.


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