Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 11, 1660-1666. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.
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DIE Mercurii, 14 die Maii.
Le Pla & al. Nat. Bill.
Bill to provide Carriages for the Navy and Ordnance.
Message to H.C. about a Conference on the Norwich Stuffs Bill.
To let them know, that, according to their Desire Yesterday, their Lordships are ready to give them a Conference, concerning the Bill for regulating the making of Norwich Stuffs; and do appoint the same to be presently, in the Painted Chamber.
And, upon Debate of that Clause concerning the Penalty, the House directed the Penalty to be distributed, Twenty Shillings to the Use of the Poor, and Twenty Shillings towards the amending of the Highways.
Then the Question was put, "Whether the Proviso for One Parish to help (fn. 1) one another shall be inserted into the Bill?"
The Lord Wharton reported the (fn. 1) amending in the Clause concerning the disposing of the Penalties; which were read, and Agreed to.
Report of the Conference concerning the Norwich Stuffs Bill.
The Earl of Anglesey reported the Effect of the aforesaid Conference: "That the House of Commons agrees to all the Amendments which their Lordships made in the Bill concerning the regulating the making of Norwich Stuffs; only they have added a Saving on the King's Behalf, to preserve His Title of Aulnage and Customs for the Sealing of Stuffs; to which they desire their Lordships Concurrence." The which Saving being read Thrice, was Agreed to.
Heads for a Conference concerning the Militia Bill.
Next, the Duke of Bucks reported, "That the Committee have considered of some Reasons to be offered at the Conference with the House of Commons, why their Lordships do think fit to leave out the Word ["Lord"] in the Bill for the Militia:
"1. That their Lordships do not conceive that from the adding the Word ["Lords"], there be any natural Influence of abridging the King's Power; nor of giving any Exclusion to Commoners from being Lord Lieutenants, since the same Title is given to many Officers; as Lord Chancellors, Lord Chief Justice, Lord President, and the like, who most commonly are Commoners: That their Lordships thought the Word ["Lord"] sitted to be added for the Dignity of so great a Military Command, since it was admitted even in many Dignities inferior to it, both Civil and Military; Lords Lieutenants being in Effect His Majesty's Generals. Now Generals are always called Lords Generals.
That, though there were no Precedent for it, yet the Reason alone might serve to require it. But there is the Example in divers Acts, and particularly in the Petition of Right, where they are named Lord Lieutenants.
But the powerfulest Motive with their Lordships to the putting in this Word ["Lords"] was, that of Respect to those Commoners, who, by their Merit and His Majesty's Grace, should arrive to so great and honourable Employment, and be dignified in it also by this Title of Lord; which indeed is the Concernment of the Commoners, and not the Peers, whose Birth in what Place soever they are do adorn them with that Title: But, since the Commons have not been pleased to understand this Design of their Lordships to their Advantage, their Lordships do not insist to press upon them a Respect not understood as they wisht it might have been; and do content themselves by agreeing with them, against their own Reasons, to shew their true Desires of complying with them in every Thing that possibly they may, without wounding deeply their most essential Privileges."
Message to H.C. for this Conference.
Report of the Conference concerning the Bill for Money for Officers who served the King during the late Troubles.
The Lord Mohun reported the Effect of the late Conference with the House of Commons, concerning the Amendments to the Bill concerning the Distribution of Threescore Thousand Pounds to the truly indigent and loyal Commissioned Officers:
"And the Commons do adhere to the Title of ["Right Honourable"] given to Sir Hugh Pollard; and they do agree to the Amendments in the other Titles of Foreign Nobility, named as Commissioners in that Act.
Hereupon the Lords agreed to the leaving out that First of the Proviso; and Resolved, That the naming of the Commissioners for rating the Peers Offices should be left to the King, to name the Commissioners, being Peers, within a Month. And the Earl of Portland and the Lord Mohun were appointed to withdraw presently, and prepare a Proviso to this Purpose. To all the rest of the Particulars, the Lords do concur with the House of Commons.
Answer from H. C.
Bill to prevent Stoppages in the Streets of Westm.
The Lord Wharton reported from the Committee, the Bill against Stoppage of the Streets by Carts, as fit to pass, with some Alterations and Provisos; which being read Twice, the House ordered the Provisos to be rejected, but ordered the Bill to be engrossed.