Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 3, 1620-1628. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.
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DIE Veneris, videlicet, 27 die Aprilis,
p. Archiepus. Eborum.
p. Epus. Dunelm.
p. Epus. Winton.
p. Epus. Asaphen.
p. Epus. Covent. et Leich.
p. Epus. Carlien.
Epus. Bathon. et Well.
p. Epus. Bangor.
p. Epus. Elien.
p. Epus. Cicestren.
p. Epus. Oxon.
p. Epus. Cestren.
p. Epus. Landaven.
Ley, Miles et Bar. Ds. Capit. Justic. Locum tenens, etc.
Vicecomes Maundevil, Mag. Thes. Angliæ.
Comes Wigorn. Ds. Custos Privati Sigilli.
Marchio Buck. Mag. Admirallus Angliæ.
Comes Oxon. Mag. Camer. Angliæ.
Comes Richmond, Sen. Hospitii.
Comes Pembroc. Camerar. Hospitii.
p. Comes Rutland.
p. Comes Sussex.
p. Comes Huntingdon.
p. Comes South'ton.
p. Comes Essex.
p. Comes Lincoln.
p. Comes Suffolciæ.
p. Comes Dorsett.
p. Comes Bridgwater.
p. Comes North'ton.
p. Comes Warwic.
p. Comes Devon.
p. Comes March.
p. Comes Holdernesse.
Ds. Willoughby de Er.
Ds. Morley et Mounteg.
p. Ds. Dacres de Herst.
p. Ds. Stafford.
p. Ds. Duddeley.
Ds. Darce de Men.
p. Ds. Cromwell.
Ds. Willoughby de Par.
p. Ds. Pagett.
Ds. Darce de Chich.
p. Ds. North.
p. Ds. Hunsdon.
p. Ds. St. John de Bletso.
p. Ds. Howard de Wal.
p. Ds. Russell.
Ds. Gray de Grooby.
p. Ds. Danvers.
p. Ds. Spencer.
p. Ds. Say et Seale.
p. Ds. Denny.
Ds. Stanhope de Har.
p. Ds. Carew.
p. Ds. Knyvett.
Ds. Stanhope de Shelf.
NOTICE being given to the House, That Four Silk Dyers (being sent by the Master and Warden of that Company, according to the Order of the House) did attend their Lordships Pleasure, it was agreed to hear Mathias Fowles again first.
And divers Lords holding that the Prisoner's Witnesses (if he produce any) are not to be examined upon Oath, the Prince his Highness was of a contrary Opinion; for that then an innocent Man may be condemned. Whereupon (at his Highness's Motion) it was Ordered and Agreed, That the Prisoner's Witnesses shall be examined, ad informandum animum Judicis, if he desire it.
1. That, Care being taken by the King's Majesty to prevent the Abuse of Counterfeit Stuff of Gold and Silver Thread; he, being a Patentee, used much Deceit in the false Dye of the Silk; the same being much corrupted with White Lead and Arsenick.
He confesseth, there was Abuse in the Dying of the Silk; but it was by the Dyer's Default (Gascard), and not his; for it was the Dyer's absolute Bargain to deliver the Examinat good and justifiable Silk.
He faith further, that, in all kind of dying, there is an Addition to the Weight of the Silk; he discoursed of the Difference between Addition and Sophistication; but refused to answer whether such Addition be Deceit or no, but leaves it to the Dyers, to be resolved by them.
Here the Prisoner was withdrawn; and divers Silkdyers were called in, and examined, whether the Addition to the Weight of the Silk in the Dye may be used honestly; and whether that Addition hath been anciently used or no, and what Proportion of Addition hath been used; and whether it hath been necessary to dye the Silk, which is to be used for Gold or Silver Thread.
William Blackamore faith, That Silk for Gold and (fn. 2) Silver Thread must be dyed into Yellow for Gold, into Pearl Colour for Silver; and it is corrupted, if the Weight be increased; if there be any Addition to any of those Colours, it is meer Deceit. The Addition may be by White Lead, and Arsenick, and other Corruptions. Some have used this Addition; but no honest Man will use it. It hath been used long for other Colours; but for Gold and Silver Thread, but these Three Years.
He faith, He dyed a great Quantity of Silk for Francis Broade, and Broade required no Increase of Weight; and he was sent for to Fowles, and Fowles's Wife asked him what Increase of Weight he could make; and he denied to add any Increase; and so he was not set on Work by Fowles, which else he might have been.
John Wyles, a Silk-dyer, faith, There is Four Ounces, or thereabouts, lost in the washing of a Pound of Silk for Gold and Silver Thread; then it is to be dyed, but no Addition ought to be; if there be any Addition, it is Deceit and Sophistication, which, though it increaseth the Weight, yet the Stuff is the worse. This Addition is not generally used; he hath heard of it but these Three or Four Years. The Workmanship, to make a Pound of Silk Thread ready for the Work, hath been usually but Sixteen Pence; they dyed the Silk for Silver into a Pearl Colour. He faith, That Silk of Colour de Roy, or Russet, cannot be dyed without Galls, which giveth a little Addition to the Weight.
Hugh Tanner, a Silk-dyer, faith, That Three Ounces and an Half, or thereabouts, is lost in the washing of a Pound of Silk for Gold and Silver Thread; and that the Silk, being dyed, cannot honestly be increased above a Quarter of an Ounce in a Pound; the Increase hurts the Silk, by weakening it: And that this Deceit hath been used these Two or Three Years, and no longer, for any Thing he knows; but himself never used it, nor knows who did use it; he never knew Fowles. The usual Price to dye Silk for Gold and Silver Thread he knoweth not; but, for ordinary Colour, he hath but Sixteen Pence the Pound; and he knows no Reason why there should be so much taken by them that dye for Gold and Silver Thread, for their Stuffs are not so dear.
Christopher Blenkensopp, Silk-dyer, he faith, That about Four Ounces Weight in the Pound is lost in the washing and boiling of Silk for Gold and Silver Thread; and that no Addition of Weight can honestly be added in the dying of the same Silk: the Addition doth rather Hurt than Good. Twelve Pence or Sixteen Pence the Pound is the usual Price for dying the Silk for Gold and Silver Thread; and it is washed by them also. He knoweth not how long Addition of Weight hath been used; he never dyed any Silk with Addition of Weight, but some Colours which cannot but have some small Addition. He knows not Fowles nor Unwoon, nor ever dealt with Fowles.
Mathias Fowles being brought to the Bar again, and demanded, whether he vented any sophisticated Silk for Gold and Silver Thread, after he knew of the Sophistication, answered, "I think some of my Servants sold some Quantity of it, but not much."
3. To the Third Point of his Charge, videlicet, That he, being but a Patentee, did execute the Authority of a Commissioner, by conventing, examining, and committing Offenders, and exceeding the same Authority:
4. To the Fourth Part of the Charge, videlicet, That he and Dyke, having covenanted with the King to import Five Thousand Pounds in Bullion, yearly, by Indenture dated Day of Anno 13° Jacobi, and to pay Ten Pounds Rent yearly to the King, he imported not as yet above Eight Thousand Pounds in Bullion; whereby our Coin and Plate were consumed, for this Manufacture of Gold and Silver Thread, Thirty Thousand Pounds per Annum, at the least; and also that he paid not the Ten Pounds Rent.
He answered, "I used the Manufacture of Gold and Silver Thread since the Year of the King; and have spent in the same Manufacture but Forty-three or Forty-four Thousand Pounds in Bullion, at the most."
"As for the Importation, I confess my Covenant for the same, and refer myself to that Covenant; and I confess, that I have imported but Eight Thousand Weight of Bullion; and that (by Computation) there is about Seven Thousand behind."
"As for the Rent to the King, I paid it not; because I enjoyed not the Patent, whereof there is not above Sixty Pounds behind; for which I am in the King's Mercy; But I have paid the King's Customs, according to my Covenant with His Majesty."
Richard Moore, the Gaoler of Finsbury, being sworn and examined, faith, He knoweth not whether Mrs. Turatta (some Three Years since) was sent to his Gaol, or no; that Fowles never committed any to his Gaol upon his own Warrant, neither did he ever receive any Warrant under Fowles's Hand, nor in his Name. He faith further, That Sir Francis Michell sent for him, this Examinat, to his House; and said, he would have a Chamber in this Examinat's House, for Prisoners to be sent thither from him, and other Commissioners of the Manufacture of Gold and Silver Thread; for that the Commitment to Newgate would be more chargeable to the Prisoners: And he, the said Sir Francis Michell, had a Chamber in this Examinat's House, whither many Prisoners were brought by Norton and Ireland. He denies, that Fowles sent any to him, or brought any to him.
The Lord North shewed how that Francis Broade, attending here Yesterday with his Complaint against Mathias Fowles, was arrested by John Broade; and moved, That he, the said Francis Broade, might enjoy the Privilege of the Parliament, and be freed of the said Arrest, and the Offenders punished for their Contempt.
Whereupon it was Ordered, That a Writ of Habeas corpus cum causa be awarded to the Sheriffs of London, to bring the said Francis Broade hither, To-morrow Morning, by Nine of the Clock; and that a Warrant be made to the Serjeant at Arms attending this House, to bring them which arrested the said Francis Broade, before their Lordships, at the same Time.
Message to the Commons.
THE Lord Chief Justice did put their Lordships in Remembrance of their Resolution to give Sentence this Afternoon against Sir Frauncis Michell, and of their Message sent this Morning unto the Commons.
Gold and Silver Thread.
At this Committee, it was debated, whether Sir Frauncis Michell, before his Censure, shall be first examined of others, named in the Complaint of the Commons, touching the Patent of Gold and Silver Thread, or no.
Message to the Commons.
That the Lords cannot now proceed in that Business of Importance, which they intended when they sent their last Message unto them, to sit this Afternoon as a full House, in regard of some intervenient Business, which they expected not.
Sir Francis Michell examined.
He faith, He knows not whether Thomas Ledsham was sent to Fowles's House, to his Remembrance. He further faith, That Mr. Tweedy did join in the Warrant with this Examinat to commit Ledsham to Prison, to his now Remembrance, and in the Warrants to commit Thomas Eaton and Whiting; and that he joined with him in the Warrant to send Patrickson, Robert More, Hugh Underhill, William Symons, and John Wakeland, to Newgate: But he remembers not whether any were sent by them to Finsbury Gaol, or no. He saith, That he doth remember, that Moore, Underhill, Wakeland, &c. were committed by him (this Examinat) and Mr. Tweedy, as appears by a Copy of the Mittimus.
He faith, That, by the Copy of the Mittimus, it appears, that Sir Allen Appesley did join in the Commit ment of Cockerell, and the other Women; but he remembers not that Hill was committed by Sir Henry Appesley to the Prison in Eastcheape.
He was examined also touching Sir Edward Villiers, who is named likewise by the Commons in their said Declaration; and faith, He hath heard (by Hearsay) that Sir Edward Villiers was with Sir Henry Yelverton about this Business (of the Patent of Gold and Silver Thread); but knows not in certain of any Thing what Sir Edward Villiers said, nor that Sir Henry Yelverton wrote any Letter to the Lord Chancellor, touching the Commitment of any Offenders against that Patent.
He faith, That Sir Henry Yelverton committed Three or Four Silk-men, as he hath heard; but he knows not whether Sir Edward Villiers was present at the Commitment of those Four Silk-men, nor whether Sir Edward Villiers did threaten those Silk-men; but faith, he hath heard that the said Sir Edward Villiers was accused thereof, but he knoweth not by whom.
Dominus Capitalis Justiciarius, Locum tenens Domini Cancellarii, declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque in diem crastinum, videlicet, 28m diem instantis Aprilis, hora nona, Dominis sic decernentibus.