House of Lords Journal Volume 4: 21 May 1641

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Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 4, 1629-42. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.

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DIE Veneris, videlicet, 21 die Maii.


Restraining Bishops and others from meddling in Secular Affairs.

The House was adjourned into a Committee during Pleasure, to debate the Bill concerning Bishops. The Bill was read, intituled, "An Act to restrain Bishops, and others in Holy Orders, from intermeddling with Secular Affairs."

The House was resumed, and the Debate was interrupted by a Message sent from the House of Commons, by Mr. Secretary Vane:

Message from the H. C. about disbanding the Armies.

To let their Lordships know, that the select Committee of their House have reported what was Yesterday done at the Meeting with the select Committee of Lords. Hereupon the House of Commons, taking the Business into Consideration, have Resolved, upon the Question,

Orders of the H. C. concerning paying the Arrears due to the Scots, and disbanding the Armies.

That the whole Arrear of One Hundred and Twenty Thousand Pounds be presently paid to the Scots, out of which the due Debts of the Counties are to be deducted; and for the Brotherly Assistance of Three Hundred Thousand Pounds, it shall be settled and secured by the Kingdom to them.

Resolved, upon the Question,

If the Deduction may withdraw more Monies than the Scotts can spare from the disbanding, then the whole Hundred and Twenty Thousand Pounds shall be allowed them for the disbanding; and the Debt of the Counties be taken upon the Kingdom for the present, and be first paid out of the Brotherly Assistance.

Resolved, upon the Question,

That, when the Treaty shall be fully concluded, and Public Faith given for Peace and Security for Money, both the Armies may be disbanded by Degrees, as Money shall come in.

Resolved, upon the Question,

That the Committee shall have Power to present these Heads to the Lords Commissioners to treat upon with the Scotts.

The Commissioners on both Sides to meet about this.

Likewise the House of Commons desired, That a Meeting might be, between the Lords Commissioners, with the Scotts Commissioners, this Afternoon, at Four a Clock, and propound these Resolutions unto them; and that a Time may be appointed, that the select Committee of Lords may meet with the select Committee of the Commons, at such Time as their Lordships shall please.

Resolutions of the H. C. on this Head agreed to.

This House, taking this Message into Consideration, Ordered, That this House doth approve and assent to the Paper of Resolves sent up from the House of Commons; and that the Lords Commissioners have Power from this House to meet with the Scotts Commissioners this Afternoon, at Four a Clock, to treat with them concerning these Resolutions of the Commons; and lastly, that the select Committee of this House shall give Intimation to the select Committee of the House of Commons when to meet.

Answer to the H. C.

The Messengers from the House of Commons being called in; the Speaker signified unto them what this House Ordered concerning their Message.

The Earl of Bedford,
Earl of Clare,
Lord Brooke, and
Lord Dunsemore,
Were added to the select Committee.

Restraining Bishops and others from meddlingin Secular Affairs.

Ordered, That the Bill concerning the Bishops shall be debated To-morrow Morning again.


Dominus Capitalis Justiciarius de Communi Banco, Locum tenens Domini Custodis Magni Sigilli, declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque in diem Sabbati, videlicet, 22m diem instantis Maii, hora nona, Dominis sic decernentibus.