House of Lords Journal Volume 4: 9 February 1629

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Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 4, 1629-42. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.

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DIE Lunæ, 9 die Februarii,

Domini tam Spirituales quam Temporales, quorum nomina subscribuntur, presentes fuerunt :

p. ArchiEpus. Cant.
p. ArchiEpus. Eborum.
p. Epus. London.
p. Epus. Dunelm.
p. Epus. Winton.
Epus. Petriburgen.
Epus. Hereforden.
Epus. Wigorn.
Epus. Elien.
p. Epus. Co. et Lich.
Epus. Bangor.
Epus. Cesiriæ.
Epus. Meneven.
p. Epus. Lincoln.
Epus. Sarum.
p. Epus. Bristol.
Epus. Asaphen.
p. Epus. Gloucestren.
Epus. Norwicen.
p. Epus. Exon.
p. Epus. Landaven.
Epus. Cicestren.
p. Epus. Bath. et W.
p. Epus. Roffen.
p. Epus. Oxon.
p. Ds. Coventrey, Ds. Custos Magni Sigilli.
p. Ds. Weston, Ds. Thesaur. Angliæ.
p. Vicecomes Conway, Præs. Concilii Domini Regis.
p. Comes Maunchester, Custos Privati Sigilli.
Marchio Winton.
p. Comes Lindsey, Magnus Camerarius Angliæ.
p. Comes Arundell et Sarr. Comes Marescallus Angliæ.
p. Comes Pembroc, Senescallus Hospitii.
Comes Mountgomery, Camerar. Hospitii.
p. Comes Oxon.
Comes Northumbriæ.
Comes Salop.
p. Comes Kantii.
Comes Derbiæ.
Comes Wigorn.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Cumbriæ.
Comes Sussex.
Comes Huntingdon.
Comes Bath.
p. Comes South'ton.
p. Comes Bedd.
p. Comes Hertford.
p. Comes Essex.
p. Comes Lincoln.
Comes Nottingham.
Comes Suffolciæ.
p. Comes Dorsett.
p. Comes Sarum.
Comes Exon.
Comes Bridgewater.
p. Comes Leicestriæ.
Comes North'ton.
p. Comes Warwiciæ.
p. Comes Cantabr.
p. Comes Carlile.
p. Comes Denbigh.
p. Comes Bristol.
p. Comes Angles.
p. Comes Holland.
p. Comes Clare.
p. Comes Bolingbrooke.
Comes Westmerland.
Comes Banbury.
p. Comes Berk.
p. Comes Cleveland.
p. Comes Mulgrave.
p. Comes Danby.
p. Comes Tottnes.
p. Comes Monmouth.
Comes Marleborough.
p. Comes Norwicen.
Comes Rivers.
Comes Sunderland.
Comes Newcastle.
p. Comes Dover.
p. Comes Petriburgh.
p. Comes Standford.
Comes Kingstone.
p. Comes Newporte.
Comes Chesterfeild.
p. Comes Thannett.
p. Comes St. Albans.
Vicecomes Mountague.
Vicecomes Purbeck.
p. Vicecomes Say et Seale.
p. Vicecomes Wimbleton.
Vicecomes Savage.
p. Vicecomes Bayninge.
p. Vicecomes Campden.
p. Vicecomes Dorchester.
p. Vicecomes Wentworth.
p. Ds. Clifford.
Ds. Abergavenny.
Ds. Audley.
p. Ds. Percy.
Ds. Strarge.
Ds. Berkley.
Ds. Morley.
p. Ds. Dacres.
p. Ds. Dudley.
p. Ds. Stourton.
Ds. Darcie.
p. Ds. Vaux.
Ds. Windsore.
Ds. St. John de Bas.
p. Ds. Cromewell.
Ds. Evre.
p. Ds. North.
p. Ds. Compton.
Ds. Wotton.
Ds. Petre.
p. Ds. Spencer.
p. Ds. Stanhope de Har.
Ds. Arundell.
p. Ds. Noel.
p. Ds. Kymbolton.
p. Ds. Newnham Padd.
p. Ds. Mountague.
Ds. Grey.
Ds. Deyncourt.
Ds. Ley.
Ds. Robarts.
p. Ds. Conway.
Ds. Vere.
p. Ds. Tregoze.
Ds. Craven.
p. Ds. Fawconbridge.
p. Ds. Lovelace.
p. Ds. Pawlett.
p. Ds. Harvy.
Ds. Brudnell.
p. Ds. Maynard.
p. Ds. Howard.
p. Ds. Goringe.
p. Ds. Mohun.
Ds. Savill.
p. Ds. Butler.
p. Ds. Dunsmore.

Call of the House.

THIS Day the House was called, and the absent Lords were excused on this Manner: videlicet,

Lord Brudnell, hath sent his Proxy.
Lord Savill, is sick.
Lord Craven, Extra Regnum.
Lord Vere of Tylbury, Extra Regnum.
Lord Roberts of Truro, sent his Proxy the last Session of Parliament, but hath sent none this Session as yet.
Lord Ley, no Excuse made for his Absence.
Lord Deyncourte, sick.
Lord Grey of Warke, is coming up.
Lord Brooke, hath not his Writ as yet.
Lord Arundell of Wardoun, hath sent his Proxy.
Lord Petre, hath sent his Proxy.
Lord Wootton, no Excuse made for his Absence.
Lord Evre, will send his Proxy.
Lord Windsor, no Excuse made for his Absence.
Lord Sandys, hath not his Writ as yet.
Lord Darcy et Menell, hath sent his Proxy.
Lord Stourton, is sick.
Lord Morley and Mountegle, hath sent his Proxy.
Lord Berkley, Extra Regnum.
Lord Strange, in Town.
Lord Audle, Extra Regnum.
Lord Abergavenny, sick.
Lord Bishop of Chichester, no Excuse made for his Ab sence.
Lord Bishop of Norwich, in Town, excused.
Lord Bishop of St Asaph, sick.
Lord Bishop of Lincoln, in Town, excused.
Lord Bishop of Bangor, sent his Proxy the last Session but none this Session as yet.
Lord Bishop of Ely, sick.
Lord Bishop of Winton, will send his Proxy.
Lord Bishop of Hereford, hath sent his Proxy.
Lord Bishop of Petriburgh, hath sent his Proxy.
Lord Viscount Savage, hath sent his Proxy.
Lord Viscount Purbecke, not excused.
Lord Viscount Mountague, is sick.
Earl of Chesterfeild, hath sent his Proxy.
Earl of Kingstone, is sick.
Earl of Newcastle, hath sent his Proxy.
Earl of Sunderland, is sick.
Earl Rivers, hath sent his Proxy.
Earl of Marleborough, will send his Proxy.
Earl of Banbury, is sick.
Earl of Northampton, in the King's Service.
Earl of Bridgewater, is sick.
Earl of Exceter, is sick.
Earl of Suff is sick.
Earl of Nottingham, is sick.
Earl of Bath, hath sent his Proxy.
Earl of Huntingdon, not excused this Day.
Earl of Sussex, hath sent his Proxy.
Earl of Cumberland, will send his Proxy.
Earl of Worcester, hath sent his Proxy.
Earl of Derby, hath sent his Proxy.
Earl of Shrewsbury, hath sent his Proxy.
Earl of Northumb'land, hath sent his Proxy.
Earl of Mountgom'y, Camerarius Hospitii, in Town, excused.
Marquis of Winton, will send his Proxy.
Lord Archbishop of Cant. in Town, excused.

Foregn Noblity Precedency questioned.

Whereas divers Englishmen have obtained Degrees of Honour, as of Earls, Viscounts, and Barons, within the Kingdoms of Scotland and Ireland, and thereby do pre tend to have Place and Precedency, in all Commissions and Meetings, above the Nobility of this Kingdom; the House was moved this Day, To consider how this Wrong may be redressed; either by an Act of Parliament to be passed by both Houses, or by an humble Petition of their Lordships unto His Majesty, or by a joint Protestation of this House against it:

Whereupon the House was put into a Committee, for the freer Debate hereof; and, being resumed, these Lords undernamed were appointed to meet presently, and set down in Writing what shall be propounded to the House herein videlicet,

L. Archbp. of York.
L. Privy Seal.
E. Marshal.
L. Steward.
E. of Dorsett.
E. of Bristol.
E. of Clare.
E. of Mulgrave.
L. Bp. of London.
L. Bp. of Co. et Lich.
L. Crumwell.
L. North.
L. Spencer.
L. Mountague.
L. Fawconbridge.

The Committee returned, and delivered in this Proposition: videlicet,

"Touching Precedency.

"WE conceive that no Foreign Nobility hath any Right of Precedency within the Realm of England, before any Peer of this Kingdom.

"Yet notwithstanding, of Courtesy, a Precedency hath been allowed to Noblemen of Foreign Kingdoms, according to then Ranks, which it is no ways our Intentions to alter :

"But, in regard that of late many Englishmen, both by Birth, Estate, and Abode, and the more considerable because of their great Number, have had several Honours, in the Kingdoms of Scotland and Ireland, conceived to be very differvicable to His Majesty, and prejudicial to the Peers, that which the Committee do in Humility offer unto the House is, To consider what Way and Course is the fittest to be taken, for addressing ourselves to His Majesty, for the remedying and redressing of that Inconvenience".

This being read, it was put to the Question, and generally Assented unto by all their Lordships, nemine dissentiente.


Dominus Custos Magni Sigilli declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque in diem crastinum, videlicet, diem Martis, 10m diem instantis Februarii, hora nona, Dominis sic decernentibus.