House of Lords Journal Volume 4: 7 June 1641

Pages 267-268

Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 4, 1629-42. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.

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DIE Lunæ, videlicet, 7 die Junii.


The House called.

This Day the House was called; and these Lords following were absent: videlicet,

The Lord Cottington, a Proxy.
Lord Boteler, excused.
Lord Harvie, excused, being very aged.
Lord Lovelace, Leave to be absent.
Lord Faulconbridge, Leave to be absent.
Lord Craven, Extra Regnum.
Lord Mountegue, excused, having Leave to be absent.
Lord Stanhope, excused.
Lord Willoughby of Parham, Proxy.
Lord Evres, a Proxy.
Lord Cromewell, Extra Regnum.
Lord Windsor, a Proxy.
Lord Vaux, Extra Regnum.
Lord Dudley, a Proxy.
Lord Dacres.
Lord Morley, a Proxy.
Lord Berckley, a Proxy.
Lord Willoughby de Earseby, Leave to be absent.
Lord Abergavenny, a Proxy.
Bishop of Chichester, attending the Prince.
Bishop of Worcester, a Proxy.
Viscount De Stafford, Leave to be absent.
Viscount Campden, Leave to be absent.
Viscount Purbecke, excused.
Comes Chesterfield, a Proxy.
Comes Carnarvan, excused.
Comes Kingston, a Proxy.
Comes Newcastle, attending the Prince.
Comes Rivers, excused.
Comes Marlborough, extra Regnum.
Comes Danby, excused.
Comes Mulgrave, a Proxy.
Comes Westm'land, excused.
Comes Midd.
Comes Cambridge, excused.
Comes Leycester, excused.
Comes Bridgwater, a Proxy.
Comes Som'sett.
Comes Lyncolne, a Proxy.
Comes Sussex, a Proxy.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Cumberland, Leave to be absent.
Comes Worcester, a Proxy.
Comes Derby, a Proxy.
Comes Kente, a Proxy.
Comes Shrewesbury, a Proxy.
Lord Admiral, excused.
Lord Keeper, excused, being sick.

Restraining Bishops from meddling in Secular Affairs.

After this, the Bill concerning the Bishops was taken into Consideration; and, for the better Debate thereof, the House was put into a Committee during Pleasure; but, before the House could come to any Result, a Message was brought from the House of Commons.

Hereupon the House was resumed; and it was Ordered, That the further Debate of the Bill concerning the Bishops shall be To-morrow Morning, the First Business; and also the Reasons of the House of Commons why Bishops should not vote in Parliament are to be considered of.

Reading Speeches not Parliamentary.

Ordered, and declared, That reading of formal Speeches and Answers, out of Papers, in this House, is no Parliamentary Way.

Message from the H. C. for the Examinations taken by deputed Lords, at their Request; to be made Use of.

A Message was brought up, from the House of Commons, by Jo. Hampden, Esquire:

To desire their Lordships, That those Examinations which were taken before the deputed Lords, at their Request, may be made Use of by the House of Commons; and also to let their Lordships know that they intend to sit this Afternoon as a House, and desire that this House would do the like.

Hereupon the House did Order, That the said Examinations shall be brought in, that the House may be possessed of them this Afternoon; and then they are to be delivered unto the House of Commons; and further it is Ordered, That this House shall fit this Afternoon, at Three a Clock.


The Messengers from the House of Commons were called in, and received from the Mouth of the Speaker this Answer; That the deputed Lords have not yet brought in the Examinations; but, when this House is possessed of them, they shall be delivered to them; and that this House will sit this Afternoon, at Three a Clock.

Letter from Sir Thomas Glemham, about the Disorders at Hull.

This being done, the Lord General produced a Letter, sent to his Excellency from Sir Tho. Glemham at Hull, declaring the great Disorders and Unruliness of the Soldiers there, and of the Mutiny that lately was amongst them; in which Uproar one of their Captains was killed, and others threatened; and further the Lord General informed the House, that the Army, through Want of Money and Provisions, is so dispersed into several Places, that they are no Security to those Parts in Case the Army of the Scotts should advance.

The House, taking those Things and the Consequences of them into serious Consideration, Resolved to have a speedy Conference with the House of Commons, and communicate the State of the Army unto them this Afternoon. To that Purpose these Lords following were named and appointed by the House, to meet this Afternoon, at Two a Clock, to draw up Heads fit to be propounded at the Conference, and to present them to the House: videlicet,

Committee to prepare Heads for a Conference, concerning the Disorders at Hull.

The L. Steward.
L. Chamberlain.
E. Essex.
E. Warwicke.
E. Bristoll.
E. Holland.
E. Berks.
E. Newport.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Epus. London.
Epus. Lincolne.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. Savill.
Ds. Seymour.

Slingsby's Ship freed.

Ordered, That Mr. Slyngesby's Ship, which was stayed by Order of this House, shall now be freed and released, and permitted to go to Sea.


Ordered, That the Cause concerning Sutton-marsh shall be again proceeded in, and be heard by Counsel on both Sides, on Wednesday Morning next; and all Witnesses that were formerly enjoined to attend, shall appear at the Hearing of the said Cause; and all Records and Writings to be brought as were formerly Ordered by this House.


Dominus Capitalis Justiciarius de Communi Banco, Locum tenens Domini Custodis Magni Sigilli, declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque in post meridiem hujus diei, hora tertia, Dominis sic decernentibus.

Post meridiem.


Croseland's Bill.

Hodie 1a vice lecta est Billa, An Act for to enable Nath. Croseland, and the Trustees of Tho. Croseland, deceased, to sell certain Lands, for Payment of the Debts of the said Thomas.

The Examinations before the deputed Lords delivered to the H. C.

Next, the deputed Lords brought in the Examinations, which the House of Commons desired; and the Lord Kymbolton was appointed by this House to deliver them to the select Committee of the House of Commons.

A Message was brought up from the House of Commons, by Sir William Armin:

Message from the H. C. for a Conference, touching the late Canons.

To desire a present Conference, by a Committee of both Houses, if it may stand with the Conveniency of this House, touching the late Canons.

The Answer is:


That their Lordships will meet presently, as is desired, in the Painted Chamber.

Lords appointed to report the Conference: videlicet,

Lords to report the Conference.

L. Privy Seal.
The E. of Bathon.
E. Bristoll.
Epus. Lincolne.

Then the House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the Lords went to the Conference. They returning, the House was resumed; and it is Ordered, That this Report shall be made on Friday Morning next.

Committee for Restitution of Ship-money.

Ordered, That the Committee for the Restitution of the Ship-money do meet To-morrow Morning, at Eight a Clock.

After this, a Message was sent down to the House of Commons, by Mr. Justice Foster and Mr. Justice Heath:

Message to the H. C. for a Conference, concerning closing the Treaty and disbanding the Army.

To desire a Free Conference, by a Committee of both Houses, concerning the closing the Treaty and the disbanding of the Armies.

The Heads of the Conference were:

Heads of the Conference

"1. To read the Letter sent to the Earl of Holland from Hull.

"2. To let them know that, Things standing in the dangerous Estate as now they do, no Way is so fit to prevent further Inconveniencies as to disband both the Armies.

"To that Purpose, to desire the House of Commons that the select Committees may meet often, and finish the Articles of the Treaty which lies in their Hands; and when that House had resolved of them, to return them to the Lords Commissioners Hands, that so the Treaty may be closed.

"3. To desire them, that, as they have hitherto taken great Care for the providing of Monies, so they will now think of some Way for the raising of Money to disband the Armies.

"4. To let them know that the Scotts Commissioners (notwithstanding the Necessities and Wants which they have and do now suffer) do thankfully accept of the Two Hundred Thousand (fn. 1) Pounds."

The Answer from the House of Commons is:

Answer from the H. C.

That they will give a Meeting presently, as is desired, in the Painted Chamber.

The Earl of Bristoll, Earl of Holland, and the Lord Viscount Saye & Seale, were appointed to speak at the Conference.

Committee about Trade with Scotland.

It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords in Parliament, That Sir Christopher Cletheroe and Sir Henry Garway, Knights, Robert Edwards, John Fowke, William Bartlett, Alderman Hoyle, John Blackston, Peregrin Pelham, Anto. Benifeild, Roger Mathewes, Ralph Longe; and Mr. Trelany, or any Five or more of them, shall have full Power and Authority, by virtue of this Order, to meet and confer with the Commissioners for Scotland, or any Five of them, for the regulating of Trade, as well by the Intercourses and Privileges thereof, as in Manufactures and Associations both by Sea and Land, according as is expressed in the Articles delivered unto the Commissioners of England by the Commissioners of the Kingdom of Scotland; with Power also to call unto them, on either Part, all such Persons whom they may conceive may give them Advice or Information in any Particular of this Treaty; which Meeting is to be at Skinners Hall in London, with all convenient Speed, that thereby all possible Dispatch may be given to this Business, so earnestly desired to be concluded of by both the Kingdoms.

The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the Lords went to the Conference; which being ended, the House was resumed.



Dominus Capitalis Justiciarius de Communi Banco, Locum tenens Domini Custodis Magni Sigilli, declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque in diem Martis, videlicet, 8m diem instantis Junii, hora nona, Dominis sic decernentibus.


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