House of Lords Journal Volume 6: 23 May 1644

Pages 564-565

Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 6, 1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.

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DIE Jovis, 23 die Maii.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Whittaker.

Domini præsentes fuerunt:

Ds. Grey de Warke, Speaker.

Comes Northumb.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Stamford.
Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Kent.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Bruce.

Message from the H. C. that they agree to a former Ordinance, concerning the Committee of both Kingdoms;

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Thomas Barrington and others:

1. To let their Lordships know, that the House of Commons do concur with this House in an Ordinance sent down to them the First of February, 1643, intituled, "An Ordinance for the appointing a Committee of both Houses, to join with the Committees and Commissioners of Scotland, for the better managing the Affairs of both Nations in the common Cause, according to the Ends expressed in the last Covenant and Treaty between the Two Nations of England and Scotland." (Here enter it.)

and with an Ordinance for Concurrence.

2. To desire their Lordships Concurrence in an Ordinance for paying Ten [ (fn. 1) Thousand Pounds] to the Lord General's Army. (Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

The Answer returned was:


That their Lordships do agree to the Ordinance for paying Ten Thousand Pounds, now brought up.

Committee to consider of the Report of the Conference concerning the Oath of Secrecy.

Ordered, That the Committee appointed by this House to consider of the Report made by the Lord Wharton, concerning a Conference lately had with the House of Commons touching Secrecy, which was managed by Mr. Rous, shall meet on Saturday next, in the Afternoon, at Three of the Clock, and afterwards every Saturday, or when else they please, to take this Business into Consideration.

Committee to consider of vindicating the Honour of the House, to draw up Reasons for dissenting from the H. C. in the Ordinance for excluding Members who have deserted the Houses.

Ordered, That the Committee appointed by this House to draw up Reasons why this House could not agree with the House of Commons in the Ordinance for the expelling of such Members of Parliament as have deserted the Parliament, with such Amendments as they sent up; and to consider what Course is fit to be taken for the vindicating the Honour of this House, which is concerned in (fn. 2) a Message brought up by Sir Henry Mildmay from the House of Commons, touching the Committee of both Kingdoms; shall meet every Thursday in the Afternoon, and consider thereof.

Mr. Fortescue, Agent to the D. of Lorrain, a Protection.

Upon Information to this House, "That Mr. Anthony Fortescue, who is Agent to the Duke of Lorraine, is disturbed in his quiet Possession of his Goods, which are taken away from him:" It is Ordered, by this House, That the said Agent shall have Privilege, for his own Person, Goods, and Chattels; provided he protect no other Person's Goods, nor harbour any Persons, English Recusants, not being of his Family.

An Ordinance for the appointing a Committee of both Houses, to join with the Committees and Commissioners of Scotland, for the better managing the Affairs of both Nations in the common Cause, according to the Ends expressed in the last Covenant and Treaty between the Two Nations of England and Scotland.

Ordinance for appointing the Committee of both Kingdoms.

Whereas, by the Covenant and Treaty ratified and established between the Two Kingdoms, both Nations are engaged in One common Cause, against the Enemies of the Religion and Liberties, and, by the late Entrance of the Scottish Forces into this Kingdom, in Pursuance hereof, are firmly united in a joint Posture of Arms, for their own necessary Defence; and for the maintaining the Ends expressed in the Covenant; and forasmuch as nothing can be more advantageous, nor conduceable to the Purpose aforesaid, than that the Conduct of the Affairs of both Kingdoms in Prosecution of the Ends before-mentioned be managed by the joint Advice and Direction of both Nations, or their Committees authorized in that Behalf, that so not only the Counsels, Resolutions and Forces of both Kingdoms may be to the utmost improved to the common Good, and a right Intelligence and firm Unity held and preserved between and within themselves, but also that a good Correspondency may be set on Foot and maintained Abroad, with other States, in a joint Way, to countermine the wicked Confederacies and Designs of the Popish and Antichristian Faction in all Parts, against the true Protestant Reformed Religion, and the Welfare of His Majesty's Three Kingdoms; and whereas the Convention of the Estates of Scotland have appointed Committees residing in Scotland, and in the Scottish Army, and have sent some of the said Committes as Commissioners for the Purposes aforesaid, to repair unto * and reside near the Two Houses, whereof some are already in the City: In Consideration hereof, the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do Nominate, Ordain, and Appoint, Algernon Earl of Northumberland, Robert Earl of Essex Lord General, Robert Earl of Warwicke Lord Admiral, Edward Earl of Manchester, William Viscount Say & Seale, Phillip Lord Wharton, John Lord Robertes, William Pierpointe, Sir Henry Vane Senior, Sir Phillip Stapilton, Sir Wm. Waller, Sir Gilb't Gerrard, Sir Wm. Armyn, Sir Arthur Hasilrigg, Sir Henry Vane Junior, John Crewe, Rob't Wallopp, Oliver St. John Solicitor General, Oliver Cromwell, Samuell Browne, John Glyn Recorder, or any Three of them, whereof a Member of each House to be present, to treat with the Committees and Commissioners appointed by our Brethren of Scotland, in such Things as shall by them be propounded from and in the Name of the Kingdom of Scotland, for the Ends aforesaid; and from Time to Time to advise and consult with them concerning the same; and do further give full Power unto the Members of both Houses abovenamed, and unto John Earl of Loudoun, John Lord Maitland, Sir Archibald Johnston of Warieston, and Mr. Rob't Barclay, or any Seven of them, whereof a Member of each House to be present, as a Committee, to order and direct whatsoever doth or may concern the managing of the War, keeping good Intelligence between the Forces of the Three Kingdoms, and whatsoever may concern the Peace of His Majesty's Dominions, and all other Things in Pursuance of the Ends expressed in the said Covenant and Treaty; and the Committee of both Houses are to observe such Orders as they shall from Time to Time receive from both Houses."

Order for 10,000 l. for the Lord General's Army.

Whereas the Commissioners of Excise are desired forthwith to advance Ten Thousand Pounds, by Way of Loan, for the present Payment of my Lord General's Army, that is now on their March: It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That the said Commissioners of Excise, upon their Payment of the said Ten Thousand Pounds by Way of Loan as aforesaid, unto the Treasurer at Wars, for the Purposes aforesaid, shall be secured out of the Receipts of the Excise, and have Power to reimburse themselves the said Ten Thousand Pounds, or so much thereof as they shall advance of their own Monies, out of the First Receipts of the Excise."


House adjourned till 9a cras.


  • 1. Origin. Thousands.
  • 2. Deest in Originali.