House of Lords Journal Volume 62: 18 March 1830

Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 62, 1830. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, [n.d.].

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 62: 18 March 1830', in Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 62, 1830, (London, [n.d.]) pp. 128-131. British History Online https://www.british-history.ac.uk/lords-jrnl/vol62/pp128-131 [accessed 24 April 2024]

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Die Jovis, 18 Martii 1830.

DOMINI tam Spirituales quam Temporales præsentes fuerunt:

Dux Cumberland.
Dux Gloucester.
Archiep. Cantuar.
Ds. Lyndhurst. Cancellarius.
Archiep. Ebor.
Epus. Londinen.
Epus. Winton.
Epus. Norvicen.
Epus. Bath. et Well.
Epus. Lincoln.
Epus. Bristol.
Epus. Roffen.
Epus. Landaven.
Epus. Cestrien.
Epus. Oxon.
Vicecom. Hereford.
Vicecom. Arbuthnott.
Vicecom. Maynard.
Vicecom. Melville.
Vicecom. Gordon.
Vicecom. Granville.
Vicecom. Goderich.
Ds. Willoughby de Eresby.
Ds. Stourton.
Ds. Clifton.
Ds. Teynham.
Ds. Clifford of Chudleigh.
Ds. Gower.
Ds. Saltoun.
Ds. Colville of Culross.
Ds. Hay.
Ds. King.
Ds. Holland.
Ds. Vernon.
Ds. Sundridge & Hamilton.
Ds. Montagu.
Ds. Auckland.
Ds. Mendip.
Ds. Calthorpe.
Ds. De Dunstanville & Bassett.
Ds. Bayning.
Ds. Lilford.
Ds. Fitz Gibbon.
Ds. Dunalley.
Ds. Redesdale.
Ds. Rivers.
Ds. Ellenborough.
Ds. Arden.
Ds. Mont Eagle.
Ds. Ailsa.
Ds. Manners.
Ds. Hill.
Ds. Melbourne.
Ds. Harris.
Ds. Prudhoe.
Ds. Glenlyon.
Ds. Maryborough.
Ds. Forester.
Ds. Somerhill.
Ds. Farnborough.
Ds. Wharncliffe.
Ds. Seaford.
Ds. Fife.
Ds. Clanwilliam.
Ds. Wallace.
Ds. Wynford.		 Comes Bathurst, Præses.
Comes Rosslyn, C. P. S.
Dux Norfolk, Marescallus.
Dux Richmond.
Dux St. Albans.
Dux Wellington.
Dux Buckingham & Chandos.
March. Conyngham, Senescallus.
March. Lansdowne.
March. Salisbury.
March. Bath.
March. Hertford.
March. Bute.
March. Camden.
March. Cholmondeley.
March. Ailesbury.
Comes Huntingdon.
Comes Westmorland.
Comes Winchilsea & Nottingham.
Comes Chesterfield.
Comes Essex.
Comes Carlisle.
Comes Shaftesbury.
Comes Jersey.
Comes Rosebery.
Comes Ferrers.
Comes Tankerville.
Comes Cowper.
Comes Stanhope.
Comes Pomfret.
Comes Fitzwilliam.
Comes Cornwallis.
Comes Hardwicke.
Comes De Lawarr.
Comes Radnor.
Comes Norwich.
Comes Digby.
Comes Mansfield.
Comes Carnarvon.
Comes Malmesbury.
Comes Mount Cashell.
Comes Wicklow.
Comes Romney.
Comes Charleville.
Comes Verulam.
Comes Morley.
Comes Beauchamp.
Comes Glengall.
Comes Eldon.
Comes Falmouth.
Comes Stradbroke.
Comes Amherst.
Comes Dudley.
Comes Cawdor.

PRAYERS.

The Lord Wynford sat Speaker by virtue of a former Commission.

Justice v. Callander.

The Answer of William Burn Callander Esquire, of Westertown, to the Petition and Appeal of Miss Maria Campbell Rae Justice, was this Day brought in.

Dawson et al. v. the Magistrates of Glasgow.

After hearing Counsel, in Part, in the Cause wherein Dawson and Mitchell and Adam Dawson are Appellants, and the Magistrates of Glasgow and their Tacksman are Respondents:

It is Ordered, That the further Hearing of the said Cause be put off to Wednesday next.

Maule et al. v. Ramsay.

Ordered, That the Hearing of the Cause wherein The Honorable William Maule, and others, are Appellants, and Major General The Honorable James Ramsay is Respondent, which stands appointed for this Day, be put off to Wednesday next.

Justice v. Callander.

Ordered, That the Hearing of the Cause wherein Miss Maria Campbell Rae Justice is Appellant, and William Burn Callander Esquire is Respondent, which stands appointed for this Day, be put off sine Die.

The House was adjourned during Pleasure.

The House was resumed by The Lord Chancellor.

East India, &c. Trade, Petitions for throwing open, referred to East India Com ee: (White Salt Manufacturers of Chester & Lancaster:)

Upon reading the Petition of the White Salt Manufacturers of the Counties of Chester and Lancaster, whose Names are thereunto subscribed; praying their Lordships, "That the Monopoly exercised by The East India Company in the Manufacture and Sale of Salt within their Territories in India, and the Effects which it produces, in curtailing the Comforts of the large Population placed under their Care, in restraining the Commerce of this Country, in excluding British Capital and British Enterprize from the most extensive Markets in the East, and even in diminishing the Revenue of The East India Company, may be fully investigated and enquired into by the Committee of their Lordships now sitting, and that proper Measures may be adopted for terminating this most pernicious Monopoly, and for securing to His Majesty's Subjects a free Trade to India, on Payment of moderate Duties:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition do lie on the Table.

Ordered, That the said Petition be referred to the Select Committee appointed to enquire into the present State of the Affairs of The East India Company, and into the Trade between Great Britain, the East Indies and China.

Selby:

Upon reading the Petition of the Merchants, Bankers, Shipowners and others of Selby, in the County of York, whose Names are thereunto subscribed; praying, "That their Lordships will cause an impartial and efficient Enquiry to be made into the Trade of Great Britain with China and the East Indies, with a view to the Termination of the Monopoly of The East India Company, and the Repeal of such existing Restrictions as fetter and impede the Commercial Intercourse of the Nation with those Countries, at the earliest possible Period; and that their Lordships will be pleased to direct that the necessary Notice be given for the Termination of the Charter of The East India Company in the Year 1834:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition do lie on the Table.

Ordered, That the said Petition be referred to the lastmentioned Committee.

Magistrates, &c. of Port Glasgow & Newark:

Upon reading the Petition of the Magistrates and Council of the United Burghs of Port Glasgow and Newark, in Council assembled, under their Common Seal; praying their Lordships "to do away with the Monopoly of The East India Company after the Expiry of their present Charter, and grant a free and unlimited Intercourse between the United Kingdoms and the Countries to the Eastward of the Cape of Good Hope:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition do lie on the Table.

Ordered, That the said Petition be referred to the lastmentioned Committee.

Frome.

Upon reading the Petition of the Inhabitants of the Town and Neighbourhood of Frome, in the County of Somerset, whose Names are thereunto subscribed; praying their Lordships, "That the Trade to so extensive a Territory as our East India Possessions, and the Chinese Empire, may be thrown open to the Public:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition do lie on the Table.

Ordered, That the said Petition be referred to the last-mentioned Committee.

Salford Improvement Bill:

Hodie 3a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for better cleansing, lighting, watching, regulating and improving the Town of Salford, in the County Palatine of Lancaster."

The Question was put, "Whether this Bill shall pass?"

It was resolved in the Affirmative.

Kirkby & Pinxton Road Bill:

Hodie 3a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for repairing and improving the Road from the Nottingham and Mansfield Turnpike Road, Through Kirkby and Pinxton, to Carter Lane, and to the Colliery near Pinxton Green, in the Counties of Nottingham and Derby."

The Question was put, "Whether this Bill shall pass?"

It was resolved in the Affirmative.

Watling Street Road Bill:

Hodie 3a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for more effectually improving and maintaining the Wellington District of Watling Street Road, in the County of Salop."

The Question was put, "Whether this Bill shall pass?"

It was resolved in the Affirmative.

Messages to H.C. that the Lords have agreed to the 3 preceding Bills.

And Messages were, severally, sent to the House of Commons, by Mr. Cox and Mr. Stephen;

To acquaint them, That the Lords have agreed to the said Bills, without any Amendment.

Longtown Roads Bill.

Hodie 2a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for more effectually repairing the Roads to and from Longtown, and certain other Roads communicating therewith, in the County of Cumberland."

Ordered, That the said Bill be committed to the Consideration of the Lords following:

V. Hereford.
V. Arbuthnott.
V. Maynard.
V. Melville.
V. Gordon.
V. Granville.
V. Goderich.
L. Bp. London.
L. Bp. Winchester.
L. Bp. Norwich.
L. Bp. Bath & Wells.
L. Bp. Lincoln.
L. Bp. Bristol.
L. Bp. Rochester.
L. Bp. Landaff.
L. Bp. Chester.
L. Bp. Oxford.
L. Willoughby de Eresby.
L. Stourton.
L. Clifton.
L. Teynham.
L. Clifford of Chudleigh.
L. Gower.
L. Saltoun.
L. Colville of Culross.
L. Hay.
L. King.
L. Holland.
L. Vernon.
L. Sundridge & Hamilton.
L. Montagu.
L. Auckland.
L. Mendip.
L. Calthorpe.
L. De Dunstanville & Bassett.
L. Bayning.
L. Lilford.
L. Fitz Gibbon.
L. Dunalley.
L. Redesdale.
L. Rivers.
L. Ellenborough.
L. Arden.
L. Mont Eagle.
L. Ailsa.
L. Manners.
L. Hill.
L. Melbourne.
L. Harris.
L. Prudhoe.
L. Glenlyon.
L. Maryborough.
L. Forester.
L. Somerhill.
L. Farnborough.
L. Wharncliffe.
L. Seaford.
L. Fite.
L. Clanwilliam.
L. Wallace.
L. Wynford.		 D. CUMBERLAND.
D. GLOUCESTER.
L. Abp. Canterbury.
L. Abp. York.
L. President.
L. Privy Seal.
D. Norfolk.
D. Richmond.
D. St. Albans.
D. Wellington.
D. Buckingham & Chandos.
L. Steward.
M. Lansdowne.
M. Salisbury.
M. Bath.
M. Hertford.
M. Bute.
M. Camden.
M. Cholmondeley.
M. Ailesbury.
E. Huntingdon.
E. Westmorland.
E. Winchilsea & Nottingham.
E. Chesterfield.
E. Essex.
E. Carlisle.
E. Shaftesbury.
E. Jersey.
E. Rosebery.
E. Ferrers.
E. Tankerville.
E. Cowper.
E. Stanhope.
E. Pomfret.
E. Fitzwilliam.
E. Cornwallis.
E. Hardwicke.
E. De Lawarr.
E. Radnor.
E. Norwich.
E. Digby.
E. Mansfield.
E. Carnarvon.
E. Malmesbury.
E. Mount Cashell.
E. Wicklow.
E. Romney.
E. Charleville.
E. Verulam.
E. Morley.
E. Beauchamp.
E. Glengall.
E. Eldon.
E. Falmouth.
E. Stradbroke.
E. Amherst.
E. Dudley.
E. Cawdor.

Their Lordships, or any Five of them, to meet Tomorrow, at Ten o'Clock in the Forenoon, in the Prince's Lodgings, near the House of Peers; and to adjourn as they please.

Kingston, &c. Inclosure Bill.

Hodie 2a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for inclosing Lands in the Parishes of Kingston, near Lewes, and Iford, in the County of Sussex."

Ordered, That the said Bill be committed to the Consideration of the Lords Committees aforenamed:

Their Lordships, or any Five of them, to meet on the same Day, at the same Place; and to adjourn as they please.

Mackay v. Davidson & Wilson.

Upon reading the Petition of Flora Mackay, Appellant in a Cause depending in this House, to which James Gillespie Davidson and Robert Sim Wilson are Respondents; praying, "That their Lordships will be pleased to order her to be admitted to appear as Appellant in this Cause in formâ pauperis, and to assign her for her Counsel Esquires, and for her Solicitor David Morice Johnston Gentleman:"

It is Ordered, That the Petitioner be at liberty to prosecute her said Appeal in this House in formâ pauperis, as desired.

Newall & Inman v. Thomson et al. Respondents Petition to lodge their Case, referred to Appeal Com ee.

Upon reading the Petition of William Thomson, and others, Respondents in a Cause depending in this House, to which Walter Newall and John Inman are Appellants; praying, "That their Lordships will be pleased to allow them to lay the Prints of their Case upon their Lordships Table:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition be referred to the Committee appointed to consider of the Causes in which Prints of the Appellants and Respondents Cases, now depending in this House in Matters of Appeals and Writs of Error, have not been delivered, pursuant to the Standing Order of this House.

Mutiny Bill.

The House (according to Order) was adjourned during Pleasure, and put into a Committee upon the Bill, intituled, An Act for punishing Mutiny and Desertion; and for the better Payment of the Army and their Quarters."

After some Time, the House was resumed:

And The Earl of Shaftesbury reported from the Committee, "That they had gone through the Bill, and directed him to report the same to the House, without any Amendment."

Marine Mutiny Bill.

The House (according to Order) was adjourned during Pleasure, and put into a Committee upon the Bill, intituled, An Act for the Regulation of His Majesty's Royal Marine Forces while on Shore."

After some Time, the House was resumed:

And The Earl of Shaftesbury reported from the Committee, "That they had gone through the Bill, and directed him to report the same to the House, without any Amendment."

Pensions, &c. Duties Bill.

The House (according to Order) was adjourned during Pleasure, and put into a Committee upon the Bill, intituled, "An Act for continuing to His Majesty for One Year Certain Duties on Personal Estates, Offices and Pensions in England, for the Service of the Year One thousand eight hundred and thirty."

After some Time, the House was resumed:

And The Earl of Shaftesbury reported from the Committee, "That they had gone through the Bill, and directed him to report the same to the House, without any Amendment."

Criminal Laws, Petitions for Revision of: (Malton:)

Upon reading the Petition of the Borough Bailiff and other Inhabitants of the Borough of Malton, whose Names are thereunto subscribed; praying, "That their Lordships will take the Whole of the Penal Code into mature Consideration, in order to its being rendered more consistent with Justice and our humane National Character:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition do lie on the Table.

Kingston upon Hull:

Upon reading the Petition of the Inhabitants of the Town and Neighbourhood of Kingston upon Hull, whose Names are thereunto subscribed; praying, "That their Lordships will take under their Consideration the Expediency of abolishing the Punishment of Death for Offences against Property, and of substituting such milder Punishment as to their Wisdom shall seem meet:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition do lie on the Table.

Truro:

Upon reading the Petition of the Bankers, Merchants and other Inhabitants of the Borough of Truro and its Neighbourhood, whose Names are thereunto subscribed; praying their Lordships, "That the Penalty of Death for Forgery may be abolished."

It is Ordered, That the said Petition do lie on the Table.

Plymouth.

Upon reading the Petition of the Inhabitants of Plymouth and its Vicinity, whose Names are thereunto subscribed; praying their Lordships "to take into their Consideration our Criminal Code, with an especial Reference to the Mitigation of the extreme Penalty now attached to Forgery and other Crimes against Property; and to enact such further Improvements as to their Lordships shall seem meet:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition do lie on the Table.

Wheat entered for Home Consumption, Account of, delivered.

The House being informed, "That Mr. Charles Crafer, from the Treasury, attended;"

He was called in; and delivered at the Bar, pursuant to an Order of the 4th Day of this instant March,

"An Account of the Quantities of Wheat entered for Home Consumption under Act 9 Geo. 4. Cap. 60, in each Week since the passing of the Act, (16th July 1828,) with the Amount of Duty received thereon; distinguishing the Average Prices, and the Rates of Duty charged."

And then he withdrew.

And the Title thereof being read by the Clerk;

Ordered, That the said Account do lie on the Table.

Ordered, That the said Account be printed.

East India Co. Accounts respecting, delivered, & referred to East India Com ee.

The House being informed, "That Mr. Danvers, from the Court of Directors of The East India Company, attended;"

He was called in; and delivered at the Bar, pursuant to Orders of the 25th Day of February last,

"An Account of the Profit or Loss upon the Trade of The East India Company between Europe and India, Europe and China, India and China, China and the North American Colonies, stating each separately, for the last Ten Years:"

Also, "An Account of the several Sales of The East India Company from the Year 1822-23 up to the latest Period, specifying the Quantity of each Kind of Tea sold, the Average Price at which each Kind was put up, and at which each Kind was sold, at each Sale:"

Also, "An Account of the Rate of Freight per Ton paid by The East India Company from China on the Average of the whole Tonnage of the Years 1824, 1825, 1826, 1827, 1828 and 1829:"

Also, "An Account of the Quantity of Tea exported by The East India Company from Canton, specifying the several Kinds of Tea, and the Average Prime Cost per Pound, in each Year, from the Year 1822-23 up to the latest Period the same can be made out:"

Also, "An Account of the Expence of The East India Company's Establishment at Canton, the Names of the Servants and the Amount of Salaries and Emoluments of each, and of the whole Cost for the Maintenance of the same, in each Year since 1822-23:"

And also, "An Account shewing all other Charges, as well in China as in England, incurred by The East India Company in their Trade with China, including Freight, and stating the actual Amount in each Year from 1822-23."

And then he withdrew.

And the Titles thereof being read by the Clerk;

Ordered, That the said Accounts do lie on the Table.

Ordered, That the said Accounts be printed.

Ordered, That the said Accounts be referred to the Select Committee appointed to enquire into the present State of the Affairs of The East India Company, and into the Trade between Great Britain, the East Indies and China.

Distress of the Country, Petitions respecting: (Taunton:)

Upon reading the Petition of the Inhabitants of Taunton and its Neighbourhood, in the County of Somerset, whose Names are thereunto subscribed; praying, "That their Lordships will take the Distress of the suffering Classes into their most serious Consideration, and devise and complete such Measures as may afford them Relief:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition do lie on the Table.

Manchester:

Upon reading the Petition of the Merchants, Manufacturers and other Inhabitants of Manchester, whose Names are thereunto subscribed; praying, "That their Lordships will repeal every Law which, by Duty or Monopoly, enhances the Price of the Necessaries of Life, and obstructs the Manufacturing, Commercial and general Prosperity of the Nation; and also that their Lordships will immediately reduce the Government Expenditure to the Amount at which it stood in 1791:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition do lie on the Table.

Three Hundreds of Newport:

Upon reading the Petition of the Magistrates, Clergy, Owners and Occupiers of Land, and Tradesmen, in the Three Hundreds of Newport, in the County of Buckingham, whose Names are thereunto subscribed; praying their Lordships, "That the Duties on Malt and Beer may be totally repealed; and that their Lordships will take into their immediate Consideration the deplorable Situation of the Agriculturists and the Labouring Classes, and adopt such Measures for their Relief as to their Lordships shall seem meet:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition do lie on the Table.

Dursley.

Upon reading the Petition of the Inhabitants of the Town and Parish of Dursley, in the County of Gloucester, whose Names are thereunto subscribed; praying their Lordships, "speedily, boldly and thoroughly, to enquire into the Causes and Extent of the Difficulties and present distressed State of the Country; and respectfully entreating a Consideration of what Errors may have been committed, and what Remedies may be necessary for effectually alleviating the Sufferings with which they and most of their Fellow Subjects are so heavily afflicted, and to adopt such Legislative Measures as the Wisdom of Parliament may deem most efficacious for redressing them:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition do lie on the Table.

Agricultural Distress, Petition from Spilsby respecting, & against Importation of Foreign Wool.

Upon reading the Petition of the Owners and Occupiers of Land in the Town and Neighbourhood of Spilsby, in the County of Lincoln, whose Names are thereunto subscribed; praying, "That their Lordships will be pleased to pay immediate Attention to the fatal Pressure upon our National Industry occasioned by the enormous and rapid Increase in the Importation of Foreign Wool, and, by a timely Abandonment of those Theories which practically tend only to the Aggrandizement of Foreigners, rescue this once happy Country from the Convulsion which at present threatens it with such speedy and inevitable Destruction:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition do lie on the Table.

Taxes, Petition of Labourers at Barn-Elm Farm for Remission of.

Upon reading the Petition of the Labourers at BarnElm Farm, in the Parish of Barnes, in the County of Surrey, whose Names are thereunto subscribed; praying, "That their Lordships will repeal an Act brought into the House about Twelve Years ago, changing the Mode of voting in Parish Vestries, and another Act about Eleven Years ago, establishing Select Vestries; and that their Lordships will take from their Shoulders, and from those of their Employers, the grievous Burthen of Taxes, and begin forthwith by relieving them from the Taxes on Malt, Hops, Leather, Soap and Candles:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition do lie on the Table.

Malt Laws, Petition from Taunton for Revision of.

Upon reading the Petition of the Maltsters and Dealers in Corn of the Town and Neighbourhood of Taunton, in the County of Somerset, whose Names are thereunto subscribed; praying, "That their Lordships will direct such Attention to the Revision of the Malt Laws as may convert what is at present a most obnoxious and oppressive Instrument of Taxation into a sober and equitable Mode of collecting His Majesty's Excise, that may enable the upright Trader to conduct his Manufacture unshackled by useless Restrictions, and without that Fear and Trembling so inconsistent with the Spirit of British Commerce, and destructive to the best Interests of the Country and its Revenue:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition do lie on the Table.

Internal State of the Country, Motion for a Com ee to consider, Negatived.

The Order of the Day being read for the Lords to be summoned;

It was moved, "That a Select Committee be appointed to take into Consideration the Internal State of the Country, as far as it relates to the Condition of the Working Classes, and the Effect of Taxation upon productive Industry."

Which being objected to;

After long Debate,

The Question was put thereupon?

It was resolved in the Negative.

Adjourn.

Dominus Cancellarius declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque ad et in diem Veneris, decimum nonum diem instantis Martii, horâ undecimâ Auroræ, Dominis sic decernentibus.

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