House of Lords Journal Volume 64: 10 August 1832

Die Veneris, 10° Augusti 1832.

DOMINI tam Spirituales quam Temporales præsentes fuerunt:

PRAYERS.

The Earl of Shaftesbury sat Speaker by virtue of a former Commission.

Glass Duties Bill passed by Commission.

The Lord Speaker acquainted the House, "That His Majesty had been pleased to issue a Commission to several Lords therein named, for declaring His Royal Assent to an Act agreed upon by both Houses of Parliament."

The House was adjourned during Pleasure.

The House was resumed.

Then Three of the Lords Commissioners, being in their Robes, and seated on a Form placed between the Throne and the Woolsack, The Lord Speaker in the Middle, with The Lord President on his Right Hand, and The Lord Steward on his Left; commanded the Yeoman Usher of the Black Rod to signify to the Commons, "The Lords Commissioners desire their immediate Attendance in this House, to hear the Commission read."

Who being come, with their Speaker;

The Lord Speaker said,

"My Lords, and Gentlemen of the House of Commons,

"His Majesty, not thinking fit to be personally present here at this Time, has been pleased to cause a Commission to be issued under the Great Seal, and thereby given His Royal Assent to an Act which hath been agreed upon by both Houses of Parliament, the Title whereof is particularly mentioned; and by the said Commission hath commanded us to declare and notify His Royal Assent to the said Act, in the Presence of you the Lords and Commons assembled for that Purpose: Which Commission you will now hear read."

Then the said Commission was read by the Clerk as follows; (viz ^t.)

"WILLIAM R.

"William the Fourth, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith; To Our right trusty and right well-beloved the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and to Our trusty and well-beloved the Knights, Citizens, and Burgesses, and the Commissioners for Shires and Burghs of the House of Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, Greeting: Whereas in Our said Parliament an Act hath been agreed and accorded on by you Our loving Subjects, the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and the Commons, in this Our present Parliament assembled, and endorsed by you as hath been accustomed, the Title and Name of which Act hereafter doth particularly ensue; (that is to say,) "An Act to repeal the Excise Duties on Flint Glass, and to impose other Duties in lieu thereof; and to amend the Laws relating to Glass." And albeit the said Act by you Our said Subjects, the Lords and Commons in this Our present Parliament assembled, is fully agreed and consented unto, yet nevertheless the same is not of Force and Effect in the Law without Our Royal Assent given and put to the said Act; And for as much as for divers Causes and Considerations We cannot conveniently at this Time be present in Our Royal Person in the Higher House of Our said Parliament, being the accustomed Place for giving our Royal Assent to such Acts as have been agreed upon by you Our said Subjects, the Lords and Commons, We have therefore caused these Our Letters Patent to be made, and have signed the same, and by the same do give and put Our Royal Assent to the said Act, and to all Articles, Clauses and Provisions therein contained, and have fully agreed and assented to the said Act; Willing that the said Act, and every Article, Clause, Sentence and Provision therein contained, from henceforth shall be of the same Strength, Force and Effect, as if We had been personally present in the said Higher House, and had openly and publicly, in the Presence of you all, assented to the same: And We do by these Presents declare and notify the same Our Royal Assent, as well to you the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons aforesaid, as to all others whom it may concern; Commanding also by these Presents Our well-beloved and faithful Councillor Henry Lord Brougham and Vaux, Our Chancellor of that Part of Our United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland called Great Britain, to seal these Our Letters Patent with Our Great Seal of Our United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland; and also commanding Our most dear Brothers and faithful Councillors Ernest Duke of Cumberland, Augustus Duke of Sussex, Adolphus Duke of Cambridge; Our most dear Cousin and faithful Councillor William Frederick Duke of Gloucester; The Most Reverend Father in God and Our faithful Councillor William Archbishop of Canterbury, Primate and Metropolitan of all England; Our well-beloved and faithful Councillor Henry Lord Brougham and Vaux, Chancellor of that Part of Our United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland called Great Britain; Our most dear Cousin and Councillor Henry Marquess of Lansdowne, President of Our Council; Our well-beloved and faithful Councillor John George Lord Durham, Keeper of Our Privy Seal; Our most dear Cousins and Councillors William Spencer Duke of Devonshire, Chamberlain of Our Household; Charles Duke of Richmond, George William Frederick Duke of Leeds, William Henry Duke of Portland, Arthur Duke of Wellington, Richard Duke of Buckingham and Chandos, Richard Marquess Wellesley, Steward of Our Household; Charles Marquess of Winchester, John Jeffreys Marquess Camden, Henry William Marquess of Anglesey, John Earl of Westmorland, George Earl of Carlisle, Cropley Ashley Earl of Shaftesbury, George Earl of Aberdeen, William Earl Fitzwilliam, George John Earl Spencer, John Earl of Chatham, Henry Earl Bathurst, Charles Earl Grey, John Earl of Eldon, John William Earl of Dudley, William Viscount Melbourne, Robert Viscount Melville, Henry Viscount Sidmouth, Frederick John Viscount Goderich; Our well-beloved and faithful Councillors Henry Richard Lord Holland, William Wyndham Lord Grenville, Edward Lord Ellenborough, Nicholas Lord Bexley, John Singleton Lord Lyndhurst and Charles Lord Tenterden, or any Three or more of them, to declare and notify this Our Royal Assent in Our Absence in the said Higher House, in the Presence of you, the said Lords and Commons of Our Parliament, there to be assembled for that Purpose; and the Clerk of Our Parliaments to endorse the said Act with such Terms and Words, in Our Name, as is requisite, and hath been accustomed for the same, and also to enrol these Our Letters Patent, and the said Act, in the Parliament Roll; and these Our Letters Patent shall be to every of them a sufficient Warrant in that Behalf: And finally, We do declare and will, that after this Our Royal Assent given and passed by these Presents, and declared and notified as is aforesaid, then and immediately the said Act shall be taken, accepted and admitted a good, sufficient and perfect Act of Parliament and Law, to all Intents, Constructions and Purposes, and to be put in due Execution accordingly, the Continuance or Dissolution of this Our Parliament, or any other Use, Custom, Thing or Things to the contrary thereof notwithstanding. In Witness whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent.

"Witness Ourself at Westminster, the Tenth Day of August, in the Third Year of Our Reign.

By the King Himself, signed with His own Hand.

"Bathurst."

Then The Lord Speaker said,

"In obedience to His Majesty's Commands, and by virtue of the Commission which has been now read, We do declare and notify to you, the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, in Parliament assembled, That His Majesty hath given His Royal Assent to the Act in the Commission mentioned; and the Clerks are required to pass the same in the usual Form and Words."

Then the Deputy Clerk of the Crown, at the Table, read the Title of the Bill to be passed, as follows; (viz ^t.)

"An Act to repeal the Excise Duties on Flint Glass, and to impose other Duties in lieu thereof; and to amend the Laws relating to Glass."

To this Bill the Royal Assent was pronounced by the Clerk Assistant in these Words; (viz ^t.)

"Le Roy le veult."

Then the Commons withdrew.

The House was adjourned during Pleasure.

The House was resumed by The Earl of Shaftesbury.

Land Revenues (Scotland) Bill.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Bernal and others;

With a Bill, intituled, "An Act to authorize the Hereditary Land Revenues of the Crown in Scotland being placed under the Management of the Commissioners of the Land Revenues;" to which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

The said Bill was read the First Time.

Bribery at Elections Bill.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Bernal and others;

With a Bill, intituled, "An Act to regulate the Trial of Petitions complaining of general Bribery and Corruption in Boroughs with respect to the Election of Members to serve in Parliament;" to which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

The said Bill was read the First Time.

Ordered, That the said Bill be printed.

Martin's Estate Bill.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Bernal and others;

To return the Bill, intituled, "An Act for enabling James Thomas Martin Esquire, and the Persons in Remainder under the Will of Mary Jackson deceased, to grant Leases of Part of the Settled Estates therein comprised, for the Purpose of building upon and otherwise improving the same;" and to acquaint this House, That they have agreed to the same, without any Amendment.

Marqs of Londonderry's Estate Bill.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Bernal and others;

To return the Bill, intituled, "An Act for settling certain Manors and Estates in the County of Durham to the Uses of the Marriage Settlement of The Most Honorable Charles William Vane Marquis of Londonderry and The Most Honorable Frances Anne Vane Marchioness of Londonderry his Wife; and for other Purposes therein mentioned;" and to acquaint this House, That they have agreed to the same, with some Amendments, to which they desire their Lordships Concurrence.

The House proceeded to take into Consideration the Amendments made by the Commons to the last-mentioned Bill.

And the said Amendments, being read Three Times by the Clerk, were agreed to by the House.

And, A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Mr. Adam and Mr. Roupell, to acquaint them therewith.

Lords summoned.

Ordered, That all the Lords be summoned to attend the Service of the House To-morrow.

9th Report of Comrs of Land Revenues delivered.

The House being informed, "That Mr. Waller, from the Office of His Majesty's Woods, Forests and Land Revenues, attended;"

He was called in; and delivered at the Bar, pursuant to the Directions of an Act of Parliament,

"The Ninth Report of the Commissioners of His Majesty's Woods, Forests and Land Revenues."

And then he withdrew.

And the Title thereof being read by the Clerk;

Ordered, That the said Report do lie on the Table.

Ordered, That the said Report be printed.

Land Tax Comrs Bill reported

The House (according to Order) was adjourned during Pleasure, and put into a Committee upon the Bill, intituled, "An Act for appointing additional Commissioners to put in Execution the Acts for granting an Aid to His Majesty by a Land Tax, and continuing the Duties on Personal Estates, Offices and Pensions."

After some Time, the House was resumed:

And The Earl of Shaftesbury reported from the Committee, "That they had gone through the Bill, and directed him to report the same to the House, without any Amendment."

Order for 3 a.

Ordered, That the said Bill be read the Third Time To-morrow.

The Speaker's (H.C.) Annuity Bill reported:

The House (according to Order) was adjourned during Pleasure, and put into a Committee upon the Bill, intituled, "An Act for settling and securing Annuities on The Right Honorable Charles Manners Sutton and on his next Heir Male, in Consideration of the eminent Services of the said Right Honorable Charles Manners Sutton."

After some Time, the House was resumed:

And The Earl of Shaftesbury reported from the Committee, "That they had gone through the Bill, and directed him to report the same to the House, without any Amendment."

Order for 3 a.

Ordered, That the said Bill be read the Third Time To-morrow.

Turnpike Tolls Bill.

The House (according to Order) was adjourned during Pleasure, and put into a Committee upon the Bill, intituled, "An Act to explain certain Provisions in Local Acts of Parliament relating to Double Toll on Turnpike Roads."

After some Time, the House was resumed:

And The Earl of Shaftesbury reported from the Committee, "That they had gone through the Bill, and made One Amendment thereto, which he was ready to report, when the House will please to receive the same."

Ordered, That the said Report be received To-morrow.

The King's Answer to Addresses.

The Earl of Shaftesbury (in the Absence of the Lords with White Staves) reported, "That they had (according to Order) waited on His Majesty with their Lordships Addresses of Tuesday last and Yesterday; and that His Majesty was pleased to receive the same very graciously, and to say, He would give Directions accordingly."

Revenue Accounts (Scotland) Bill:

The Order of the Day being read for the Third Reading of the Bill, intituled, "An Act to provide for the Examination and Audit of the Customs and Excise Revenues in Scotland;"

The said Bill was accordingly read the Third Time.

The Question was put, "Whether this Bill shall pass?"

It was resolved in the Affirmative.

The Speaker's (H.C.) Salary Bill:

The Order of the Day being read for the Third Reading of the Bill, intituled, "An Act for the better Support of the Dignity of the Speaker of the House of Commons; and for disabling the Speaker of the House of Commons for the Time being from holding any Office or Place of Profit, during Pleasure, under the Crown;"

The said Bill was accordingly read the Third Time.

The Question was put, "Whether this Bill shall pass?"

It was resolved in the Affirmative.

Public Accounts Bill:

The Order of the Day being read for the Third Reading of the Bill, intituled, "An Act to regulate the Period of rendering the Public Accounts and making up the General Imprest Certificates;"

The said Bill was accordingly read the Third Time.

The Question was put, "Whether this Bill shall pass?"

It was resolved in the Affirmative.

Messages to H.C. that the Lords have agreed to the 3 preceding Bills.

And Messages were, severally, sent to the House of Commons, by the former Messengers;

To acquaint them, That the Lords have agreed to the said Bills, without any Amendment.

The House was adjourned during Pleasure.

The House was resumed by The Lord Chancellor.

Aberdeen Colleges Bill.

The Order of the Day being read for the Third Reading of the Bill, intituled, "An Act to authorize the Purchase of the Rights of Literary Property enjoyed by the King's and Marischal Colleges in Aberdeen;"

Ordered, That the said Bill be read the Third Time on Tuesday next.

Forgery Bill.

Hodie 2^a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for abolishing the Punishment of Death in Cases of Forgery."

Ordered, That the said Bill be committed to a Committee of the Whole House.

Ordered, That the House be put into a Committee upon the said Bill on Monday next; and that the Lords be summoned.

Conference desired by H.C. on the Lunatics Bill.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Charles Ross and others, as follows; (viz ^t.)

"My Lords,

"The Commons do desire a Conference with your Lordships upon the Subject Matter of the Amendments made by your Lordships to the Bill, intituled, "An Act for regulating for Three Years the Care and Treatment of Insane Persons in England."

And then they withdrew.

It was moved, "to agree to the said Conference, as desired; and to appoint it presently in the Painted Chamber."

The same was agreed to:

And the Messengers were again called in, and informed, That the Lords agree to a Conference, as desired; and appoint it presently in the Painted Chamber.

Then the Lords following were named Managers of the Conference:

Special Constables (Ireland) Bill reported:

The House (according to Order) was adjourned during Pleasure, and put into a Committee upon the Bill, intituled, "An Act for amending the Laws in Ireland relative to the Appointment of Special Constables, and for the better Preservation of the Peace."

After some Time, the House was resumed:

And The Earl of Shaftesbury reported from the Committee, "That they had gone through the Bill, and directed him to report the same to the House, without any Amendment."

Order for 3 a.

Ordered, That the said Bill be read the Third Time To-morrow.

Tithes Composition (Ireland) Bill.

The Order of the Day being read for the House to be put into a Committee upon the Bill, intituled, "An Act to amend Three Acts passed respectively in the Fourth, Fifth, and in the Seventh and Eighth Years of the Reign of His late Majesty King George the Fourth, providing for the establishing of Compositions for Tithes in Ireland; and to make such Compositions permanent;" and for the Lords to be summoned;

The House was accordingly adjourned during Pleasure, and put into a Committee upon the said Bill.

After some Time, the House was resumed:

And The Earl of Shaftesbury reported from the Committee, "That they had gone through the Bill, and made several Amendments thereto, which he was ready to report, when the House will please to receive the same."

Ordered, That the said Report be received To-morrow.

Roman Catholics Bequests Bill.

Hodie 2^a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for the better securing the Charitable Donations and Bequests of His Majesty's Subjects in Great Britain professing the Roman Catholic Religion."

Ordered, That the said Bill be committed to a Committee of the Whole House.

Ordered, That the House be put into a Committee upon the said Bill on Monday next.

Conference on the Lunatics Bill.

The House being informed, "That the Managers for the Commons were ready for the Conference in the Painted Chamber;"

The Names of the Managers for this House were called over:

And the House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the Lords went to the Conference:

Which being ended, the House was resumed:

And The Lord President reported, "That they had met the Managers for the Commons at the Conference, which was managed on their Part by Mr. Charles Ross and others, who delivered to their Lordships the Bill, with the Amendments, and also a Paper containing as follows; (vizt.)

"The Commons have disagreed to the Amendments made by your Lordships to the Bill, intituled, "An Act for regulating for Three Years the Care and Treatment of Insane Persons in England," in Pr. 30, L. 28, - Pr. 63, L. 33, - Pr. 64, L. 11, by leaving out the Word ("separately") for the following Reasons: Because it appears to the Commons that by requiring that the Two Medical Practitioners shall have separately visited and examined the Patient, an additional Security is afforded for obtaining the fair and unbiassed Opinion of each of them, and for preventing temporary Delirium, arising from Fever, Intoxication or other Excitement, from being confounded with Insanity.

"The Commons have agreed to all the other Amendments made by your Lordships."

Which Report being read by the Clerk;

It was moved, "not to insist on the said Amendments to which the Commons disagree."

Then the Question was put, "Whether this House shall insist on the said Amendments?"

It was resolved in the Negative.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by the former Messengers;

To acquaint them, That this House does not insist on their Amendments made to the said Bill, to which the Commons disagree.

Commons' Answer to Message of Yesterday.

The Messengers sent to the House of Commons Yesterday, to request that they will be pleased to communicate to this House a Copy of a Report made from the Select Committee appointed by that House "to inquire into the Laws and Practices relating to the Observance of the Lord's Day," together with the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; acquainted the House, "That the Commons return for Answer, That they will send an Answer by Messengers of their own."

Message from H.C. for Report on West India Colonies.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Bernal and others, as follows; (vizt.)

"My Lords,

"The Commons have directed me to request that your Lordships will be pleased to communicate to them a Copy of the Report and Appendix from the Lords Committees on the West India Colonies."

And then they withdrew.

The Messengers were again called in, and informed, That the Lords will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Assessed Taxes Composition Bill.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Bernal and others;

With a Bill, intituled, "An Act to continue, until the Fifth Day of April One thousand eight hundred and thirty-four, Compositions for the Assessed Taxes, and to grant Relief in certain Cases;" to which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

The said Bill was read the First Time.

Ordered, That the said Bill be read a Second Time To-morrow.

The Ld. Chancellor's Bill.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Bernal and others;

With a Bill, intituled, "An Act for making Provision for The Lord High Chancellor of England in lieu of Fees heretofore received by him;" to which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

The said Bill was read the First Time.

Ordered, That the said Bill be printed.

Party Processions. (Ireland) Bill.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Bernal and others;

With a Bill, intituled, "An Act to restrain for Five Years, in certain Cases, Party Processions in Ireland;" to which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

The said Bill was read the First Time.

Ordered, That the said Bill be printed.

Lords summoned.

Ordered, That all the Lords be summoned to attend the Service of the House on Monday next.

Greek Convention Bill.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Bernal and others;

With a Bill, intituled, "An Act to enable His Majesty to carry into Effect a Convention made between His Majesty and The King of the French, and Emperor of all the Russias, and The King of Bavaria;" to which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

The said Bill was read the First Time.

Ordered, That the said Bill be printed.

Lords summoned.

Ordered, That all the Lords be summoned to attend the Service of the House on Monday next.

Consolidated Fund Bill.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Bernal and others;

With a Bill, intituled, "An Act to apply a Sum out of the Consolidated Fund and the Surplus of Ways and Means to the Service of the Year One thousand eight hundred and thirty-two; and to appropriate the Supplies granted in this Session of Parliament;" to which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

The said Bill was read the First Time.

Ordered, That the said Bill be read a Second Time To-morrow.

Half Pay Receipt Bill.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Bernal and others;

To return the Bill, intituled, "An Act to enable the Officers in His Majesty's Army, and their Representatives, and the Widows of Officers, and Persons on the Compassionate List, and also Civil Officers on Retired or Superannuation Allowances payable by the Paymaster General of His Majesty's Forces, to draw for and receive their Half Pay and Allowances;" and to acquaint this House, That they have agreed to their Lordships Amendments made thereto.

Aberdeen Colleges Bill, Petition of Booksellers against.

Upon reading the Petition of the Persons whose Names are thereunto subscribed, Booksellers and Publishers; taking notice of a Bill depending in this House, intituled, "An Act to authorize the Purchase of the Rights of Literary Property enjoyed by the King's and Marischal Colleges in Aberdeen;" and praying, "That their Lordships will postpone the Confirmation of the proposed Arrangement with the University of Aberdeen to the next Session of Parliament, when the Petitioners will produce such Facts and propose such Arrangements as they trust will induce the Legislature to put into Effect the Resolution of the Select Committee of the House of Commons, on the 5th June 1818, on the Copy-right Act, and enable the Government to complete their Arrangements with France upon much more advantageous Terms than those stated in the Bill now before their Lordships:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition do lie on the Table.

Adjourn.

Dominus Cancellarius declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque ad et in diem Sabbati, undecimum diem instantis Augusti, horâ decimâ Auroræ, Dominis sic decernentibus.