House of Lords Journal Volume 8: 30 June 1646

DIE Martis, 30 die Junii.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Sympson.

Comes Manchester, Speaker.

Prince Elector, Leave to see P. Rupert and P. Maurice.

Upon reading of a Letter to the Earl of Manchester, from the Prince Elector: (Here enter it.)

It is Ordered, That this House gives his Highness Leave to go and speak with (fn. 1) his Brothers Rupert and Maurice, before they go out of this Kingdom.

Mrs. Gawler's Petition, for Reparation for her Losses.

Upon reading the Petition of Mary Gawler Widow; desiring "she may have Reparation out of the Estates of those Persons that have taken away (fn. 2) her Goods, and something allowed her for her Subsistence:"

It is Ordered, To be recommended to the House of Commons.

Speake's Ordinance.

The Ordinance for taking off the Sequestration of Mr. George Speake, was read, and Agreed to.

(Here enter it.)

Hartlibb's D°.

The Ordinance to pay Mr. Hartlibbs One Hundred Pounds, was read, and Agreed to. (Here enter it.)

Cable and Cross.

Ordered, That the Cause of Barth. Cable shall be heard this Day Month; and that Mr. Rich is assigned to be of Counsel with Mr. Pryn for him.

Sir H. Mildmay's Claim to the Barony of Fitzwalter.

Ordered, That the Counsel of Sir Henry Mildmay shall be heard, at this Bar, the Tuesday before the next Term, concerning his Claim to the Title of the Barony of Fitzwalter.

Tregonnell's Ordinance.

The Ordinance for taking off the Sequestration of Mr. Tregonnell, was read, and Agreed to.

(Here enter it.)

Messenger from Borstall.

The Order for giving Ten Pounds to the Messenger that brought the News of the Taking of Borstall House, was read, and Agreed to. (Here enter it.)

The Speaker acquainted the House with the Effect of the Conference had Yesterday with the House of Commons; which was,

Report of the Conference about the Propositions.

"That the House of Commons, upon Consideration of a Paper from the Scotts Commissioners, dated the 25th of June Instant, do Resolve, That the Fifth and Sixth Propositions concerning Religion shall go as they are, without any Addition.

"That all the other Amendments in the Letter from the Scotts Commissioners, of 25 June Instant, from Worcester House, and in the Paper inclosed in that Letter, are assented to.

"That the Names of such Persons as are desired to be excepted in the Kingdom of Scotland in the Paper of 25 June Instant, delivered by the Earl of Argyle at the Conference, and sent from the Lords, are likewise assented unto.

"That, in the Beginning of First Branch of the Proposition concerning the Militia, they desire these Words may be added ["and the said Lords and Commons during the said Space of Twenty Years shall have Power"].

"That in the Eleventh Qualification of the Proposition concerning Delinquents, in the Second Branch, that these Words may be altered ["the First of May last past hath been"] to be made ["is now the Day limited"].

"That, in the Proposition concerning the Militia of the Kingdom, they desire that this Word be added ["raised"].

"In all these Particulars the House of Commons desires their Lordships Concurrence."

Agreed to all these aforesaid Particulars.

"The House of Commons further do offer to their Lordships Consideration, a Declaration concerning their asserting the Right of the Parliament of England in the passing these Propositions, wherein they desire their Lordships Concurrence; and that it may be communicated to the Scotts Commissioners.

"That it was delivered further, by Sir Thomas Widdrington, That the House of Commons did intend to come up speedily to their Lordships, and offer some Things concerning the Great Seal of England, the Court of Wards, and concerning Delinquents Estates, which are now in Agitation in the House of Commons.

"That they have framed a Preamble to the Propositions, wherein they desire their Lordships Concurrence."

Agreed to.

The House read the Declaration now reported and debated; and Ordered, To be further taken into Consideration on Thursday Morning next.

Ordered, To send to the House of Commons, That this House agrees in the Preamble and the Alterations in the Propositions; and to desire that they would join with this House, to give Power to the Members of both Houses that are of the Committee of both Kingdoms to communicate the same to the Scotts Commissioners.

Message to the H. C. about this Report;

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Dr. Aylett and Dr. Heath:

1. To let them know, that this House agrees with them in the Preamble and the Alterations in the Propositions; and that this House hath given Power to their Members that are of the Committee of both Kingdoms to communicate the same to the Scotts Commissioners; and that they would give the like Power to their Members that are of that Committee.

about the Northern Association.

2. To desire their Concurrence in the Alterations concerning the Northern Association.

Capt. Batten's Ordinance;

3. To desire their Concurrence in the Ordinance concerning Captain Batten to be Governor of The Holy Iland.

Domergn's Petition;

4. To put them in Mind of the Petition of the Lord Willoughbie Surgeon.

and with Col. Leighton's.

5. To deliver to them Colonel Leighton's Petition, with Recommendations.

Ordinance to clear Mr. Speake of his Delinquency.

"Whereas George Speake, of White Lackingden, in the County of Som'sett, Esquire, hath by both Houses of Parliament been admitted to his Fine of Two Thousand Three Hundred and Ninety Pounds, for that he adhered to the Forces raised against the Parliament: The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do hereby authorize and appoint the Commissioners of the Great Seal of England to pass a Pardon for the said George Speake, in such Manner as shall be agreed on by both Houses, and according to the Ordinance, with a Grant and Restitution of his Lands, Goods, and Chattels, and other Estate for which the said Fine was accepted, according to the Particular thereof made, and entered with the Committee at Gouldsmiths Hall, and of all Mean Profits, from the 12th Day of January, 1645, with an Exception of the Right or Estate of the said George Speake in or to all Advowsons, Presentations, and Rights of Patronage, to any Church or Chapel; and Oliver St. John Esquire His Majesty's Solicitor General is hereby required to prepare a Pardon accordingly: Provided always, That this Ordinance, or the said Pardon thereon to be passed, shall not extend to free the said George Speake from any further Composition, for any other Lands, Goods, or Chattels, than what are contained in the Particular aforesaid; and that, in case the said Lands mentioned in the said Particular were of greater Yearly Values than are therein expressed during Three Years before the Year of our Lord 1640, then the said George Speake shall pay such further Fine, by Way of Composition for the same, as both Houses of Parliament shall appoint."

Order for 100£. to Mr. Hartlibb.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Sum of One Hundred Pounds be forthwith advanced and paid, by the Committee of Lords and Commons sitting at Habberdashers Hall for Advance of Monies, unto Mr. Hartlibb, without Accompt, out of the First Monies that shall come in to the said Committee."

Ordinance to clear Mr. Tregonnell of his Delinquency.

"Whereas Thomas Tregonnell, of Abbotts Court, in the County of Dorsett, Esquire, hath by both Houses of Parliament been admitted unto his Fine of Six Hundred Pounds, for his Delinquency against the Parliament: The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do hereby authorize and appoint the Commissioners of the Great Seal of England to pass a Pardon for the said Thomas Tregonnell, in usual Form, with a Grant and Restitution of his Lands, Goods, and Chattels, and other Estate for which the said Fine was accepted, according to a Particular made, and of all Mean Profits, from the 18th Day of October, 1645; and Oliver St. John Esquire His Majesty's Solicitor General is hereby required to prepare a Pardon accordingly; the said Six Hundred Pounds to be paid unto such Persons, and employed for such Uses, as by the Committee of Lords and Commons for the Safety of the Western associated Counties shall be directed and appointed."

Messengers from Sir T. Fairfax and Borstal, 10£. each.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Messenger that brought the Letter from Sir Thomas Fairefax, and the Messenger that came from Borstall House, and brought the News of the Agreement for the Surrender thereof, shall each of them have the Sum of Ten Pounds apiece for their Pains; and that the Committee of Lords and Commons for Advance of Monies sitting at Habberdash'rs Hall do pay the said Ten Pounds apiece to either of the said Messengers accordingly."

Letter from the P. Elector; desiring Leave to speak with his Brothers P. Rupert and Maurice.

"To my Lord of Manchester, Speaker of the House of Peers.

"My Lord,

"Having received Information from Munster and Onabruk, that in whatsoever shall be agreed at the General Treaty concerning my Interests, the Consent of all my Brothers will be required afore the Conclusion thereof; I am desirous to confer with my Brothers Rup't and Maurice, afore their Departure out of this Kingdom, about it, and other domestic Affairs which do concern us, if it may stand with the Liking of the Parliament, without which I would not undertake it were it never so important to me: And therefore I desire that you will be pleased to acquaint the House of Peers herewith, and to let me know their Sense of it, whereby I do not at all intend to retard my said Brother's Journey, but shall endeayour to efface any such Imprestions as the Enemies of these Kingdoms and of our Family beyond the Seas (making Use of their present Distress) may fix upon them, to their own and our Family's Prejudice. Thus I rest

Whitehall, this 30th of June, 1646.

"Your Lordship's

"Most affectionate Friend to serve you,

"Charles Lodowic."