Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 8, 1645-1647. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.
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DIE Veneris, 16 die Octobris.
Lymbrey and Langham.
Swanley to be Admiral of the Irish Fleet, and to command The Lion.
"Whereas the Ship Lyon, employed in the last Year's Expedition, under the Command of Captain Rob'rt Moulton, as Admiral of the Irish Seas, is now come into Portsmouth, and is near to return to her former Station, as Admiral of the Irish Fleet, for this Winter's Expedition; and whereas Captain Richard Swanley, being employed in that Command in Summer 1645, was suspended therefrom until he had given Satisfaction to some Matters objected against him; upon a full Hearing whereof before this Committee, he was clearly acquitted therefrom, there appearing no Cause to repute him less capable to be intrusted and employed in the Parliament's Service than before; and for that this Committee conceives his Reputation will be best repaired by a Restitution of him to that Command: It is therefore recommended from this Committee, to both Houses of Parliament, that the said Captain Swanley may be by them approved of, to be Captain of The Lyon, and Admiral of the Irish Seas, for this Winter's Expedition.
Ordered, That this House approves that Captain Richard Swanley be employed as Admiral of the Irish Fleet, as is expressed in this Report; and the Concurrence of the House of Commons to be desired herein.
No Forces to be disbanded but by Order of both Houses.
Letter to be wrote to Sir T. Fairfax about it.
Ordered, That this Vote be sent to Sir Thomas Fairefax, inclosed in a Letter from the Speaker of this House; and to let him know, that this House expects he should conform to the Contents of this Vote, when any Thing of this Nature comes to be agitated by him.
Votes that the Letters from the E. of Ormond and Council of Ireland to the King, and Lord Mayor of London, shall not be sent them.
Next, the House took into Consideration, whether to agree with the House of Commons in the Votes brought Yesterday from the House of Commons, concerning sending the Earl of Ormond's Letter to the King, and about the Delivery of the Earl of Ormond's Letter to the City of London.
"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do Declare, That they will not admit of the Delivery of this Letter from the Earl of Ormond and others of the Council at Dublyn, to the Lord Mayor of the City of London."
Report of the Conference about the Ordinance concerning the Commissioners of the Great Seal.
"That whereas their Lordships sent down to them an Ordinance concerning Commissioners of the Great Seal of England, wherein they have thought fit to make some Alterations and Amendments; which they offer to their Lordships Consideration, and do desire Concurrence therein, with those Alterations and Amendments and Additions."
The Question was put, "Whether to adhere to the Four Names formerly nominated by this House, and sent down to the House of Commons, and to add these Three Names brought up from the House of Commons to be Commissioners of the Great Seal of England?"
"Provided always, and be it hereby Ordained, That in case the said Persons, or any of them, before named to be Commissioners, shall hereafter be called or appointed Assistants in Parliament to the House of Peers, that then the Authority or Power hereby given to him or them so called to be such Assistants as aforesaid shall wholly cease and be void; any Thing in this Ordinance to the contrary notwithstanding."
"Provided also and it is hereby Declared and Ordained, That notwithstanding any Thing in this Ordinance, yet the Power for the nominating and appointing Justices of Peace in any Counties or Places within this Kingdom or Dominion of Wales, as also the Power of presenting Ministers to any Benefice or Living heretofore in the Gift, or belonging to the Gift or Dispose, of the Lord Keeper of the Great Seal of England for the Time being, shall be and continue in the Power of both Houses of Parliament; and that the said Commissioners shall not, without Consent of both the said Houses, appoint any Justices of Peace, or confer any Benefice belonging to the Gift of the said Lord Keeper or Chancellor, without such Assent as aforesaid."
Another Conference to be had about it.
Committee to prepare Heads for it.
Message from the H. C. for a Conference about printing some Papers of the Scots Commissioners.
To desire a Conference, so soon as it may stand with their Lordships Conveniency, touching the printing of some Papers containing Speeches of the Scotts Commissioners at the Conference with the Committees of both Houses.
Message to the H. C. about it; and the Ordinance for Commissioners of the Great Seal.
To let them know, that this House will give a Conference presently, in the Painted Chamber, touching the Papers of the Scotch printed; and that, at the same Conference, their (fn. 1) Lordships may offer to them somewhat concerning the Ordinance touching the Commissioners of the Great Seal.
Sir R. Shirley to have his Plate out of the Court of Wards.
Upon reading the Petition of Sir Rob't Shirly: It is Ordered, That Mr. Hugh Awdley shall deliver to him his Plate out of the Court of Wards and Liveries; it being there deposited, for safe Custody only, Four Years ago.
Fathers to be quieted in the Possession of the Parsonage of Stoke Climesland.
Upon reading the Petition of John Fathers Clerk; shewing, "The Houses of Parliament, by Ordinance, presented him to the Parsonage of Stoke Climseland, in Cornwall; he is kept out of Possession by one Pyke."
Drew to be instituted to Bulwick.
Ordered, That Doctor Heath shall give Institution and Induction to Mr. Tho. Drew, to the Parsonage of Bulwick, in the County of North'ton; presented thereunto by Mr. Moses Tryon the Patron, with a salvo Jure cujuscunque.
Answer from the H. C.
Letter to Sir T. Fairfax, not to disband Forces without Order of both Houses.
Protest against it.
These Lords following, before the putting of this Question, desired their Right of Dissent, if this Question were carried against their Votes; which was granted: And accordingly, that it might appear that they dissented thereunto they caused their Names to be underwritten as followeth, in Testimony of their said Dissent:
Ald. Fowkes and the E. I. Co.
Heads for the Conference about the Ordinance for the Commissioners of the Great Seal.
That the Lords did send an Ordinance to the House of Commons, on the 4th of September last past, concerning the Great Seal of England, the Dispatch of which they looked upon as a Matter of Importance: That they did not hear from the House of Commons until the 14th of October Instant. The Lords find therein divers Alterations; as omitting the Names of such as they had appointed Commissioners without any Cause alledged, they being in their Lordships Judgement fit for that Employment. Yet, to shew how forward they are to dispatch this Affair, they have, with adhering to the Persons formerly named by them, added those that are desired by that House. As to the First Proviso added by that House, the Lords do not agree, there being no Cause to put such an Incapacity upon them. As to the latter Proviso, the Lords do agree. And having thus far shewed their Diligence for the concluding of this Business, they hope no further Delays will be therein; but that the Course of Justice may speedily be administered by that Seal, according to the Expectation of the Kingdom."
Letter to Sir T. Fairfax, not to disband any Forces without Order of both Houses.
I am commanded by the House of Lords to let you know, that they have received Information of some Directions to you, for the present Reducement of the Forces of the Western Association under the Command of Major General Massey; upon which their Lordships have passed this Vote, which they have commanded me here inclosed to send to you, expecting your Conformity thereunto: And so, having no more in Command, I rest