House of Lords Journal Volume 8: 27 January 1647

Pages 691-692

Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 8, 1645-1647. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.

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DIE Mercurii, 27 die Januarii.


Domini præsentes fuerunt:

Comes Manchester, Speaker.

Comes Kent.
Comes Warwicke.
Comes Mulgrave.

The Fast.

The Lords went to hear the Sermons in the Abbey Church.


The House was adjourned to Three of the Clock in the Afternoon.

Post meridiem.

PRAYERS, by Dr. Burges.

Domini præsentes fuerunt:

Comes Manchester, Speaker.

Comes Northumb.
Comes Kent.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Suffolke.
Comes Mulgrave.
Comes Warwicke.
Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Midd.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Grey.
Ds. Bruce.
Ds. Maynard.
Ds. Willoughby.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. Hunsdon.
Ds. Dacres.

Message from the H. C. for a further Conference about the Scots Declaration, &c.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Robert Pye:

To desire a Conference, so soon as it may stand with their Lordships Conveniency, concerning the Papers which were the Matter of the last Conference.

The House of Commons being come in the Painted Chamber, the Lords went to the Conference; and the House was adjourned during Pleasure.

The House was resumed.

Preachers at the Fast thanked.

Ordered, That Thanks be given to Mr. Seaman and Mr. Jenkins, for their Pains in preaching this Day in the Abbey; and are desired to print and publish their Sermons.

Preachers at the next.

Ordered, That Mr. Stronge and Mr. Nath. Hardy are appointed to preach, the next Fast-day, in the Abbey Church, before the Lords in Parliament.

Report of the Conference about the Scots Declaration, &c.

The Speaker reported the Effect of the Conference with the House of Commons: "That they having seen a Letter, and Declaration, and Desires, from the Parliament of Scotland; they have framed a Letter to be sent to the Parliament of Scotland, wherein their Lordships Concurrence is desired."

The said Letter was read.

Letter to the Parliament of Scotland about them.

This Question was put, "Whether to agree to this Letter to be sent at this Time to the Parliament of Scotland, without any Addition?" And it was Resolved in the Affirmative.

(Here enter it.)

Ordered, That Sir Peter Killegrew do carry this Letter.

Message to the H. C. for Sir P. Killegrew to carry it.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Doctor Heath and Mr. Hakewill:

To let them know, that this House agrees to this Letter, and desire that Sir Peter Killegrew may carry it; and that they would consider him for (fn. 1) this and his other Journey; and that both the Speakers may sign it.

The Letter.

Right Honourable,

A Letter from your Lordships, dated at Edinburgh the Sixteenth Instant, and the Papers therewith sent, having been communicated to both Houses of the Parliament of England; we are commanded to return this Answer:

"They do assure their Brethren of Scotland, that nothing needs to be said unto them for removing any Jealousies out of their Hearts, or for strengthening that Considence which they have in the Affec tions of that Nation; and they do presume that the Proceedings of the Houses of the Parliament of England, from the very Beginning of these Troubles, are a sufficient Declaration of their Integrity, and of their constant Affection to their Brethren of Scotland.

And as to the Desires of the Kingdom of Scotland they return these Answers:

To the First, That, when the King shall be at Houldenby, and the Scottish Forces gone out of this Kingdom, both Houses of Parliament (saving, according to their former Declaration, the peculiar Rights of the Kingdom of England) will then appoint a Committee of theirs, to join with a Committee of the Kingdom of Scotland, to employ their best Endeavours to procure His Majesty's Assent to the Propositions agreed on by both Kingdoms, and presented to His Majesty at Newcastle, and to the disposing of the Bishops Lands according to the Ordinances already passed both Houses in that Behalf: And in case the King shall not give His Assent thereunto; however, the Houses are still resolved firmly to continue and maintain the happy Union between the Two Kingdoms, according to the Treaties and Covenant; and that, according to the late Treaty between the Kingdoms, no Cessation nor any Pacification or Agreement for Peace whatsoever shall be made by eitheir Kingdom, or the Armies of either Kingdom, without the mutual Advice and Consent of both Kingdoms.

To the Second Desire, both Houses do declare, That it is not their Intention, by their appointing of Persons to wait upon the King in His Journey to Holdenby, to make a Settlement of any Persons in any particular Places, nor to be any Prejudice to any of the King's Servants that are of either Nation, who have adhered to the Parliaments; and that none shall be debarred from having Access to His Majesty, who have Warrant from the Parliament of Scotland, or from the Committee of that Parliament thereunto authorized, except such as are disabled by the Propositions agreed on by both Kingdoms.

To the Third Desire, The coming of the King, according to the Votes of both Houses of the Parliament of England, being agreeable to the Covenant and Treaties; they do declare, That, upon any Troubles that shall arise to the Kingdom of Scotland for the same, they will assist them, according to the said Covenant and Treaties.

To the Fourth and last Desire, both Houses return Answer, That, their Garrisons being delivered up, and the Scottish Army and Forces being marched out of this Kingdom, they will take this their Desire into speedy Consideration.

This being all we have in Command from the Houses, we rest

Your affectionate Friends and Servants.

"To the Right Honourable the Lords the Commissioners of Shires and Boroughs assembled in the Parliament of Scotland."


House adjourned till 10a cras.


  • 1. Bis in Originali.