Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 9, 1646. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.
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DIE Saturni, 26 die Junii.
Ds. La Warr.
Answer from the H. C.
Letters from the Commissioners with the King, and with the Army.
Private Business put off.
Message from the H. C. with an Ordinance.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Colonel Jepson; who brought up an Ordinance for paying Ten Thousand Pounds for the Affairs of Munster in Ireland, wherein they desire their Lordships Concurrence. (Here enter it.)
Message from the H. C. with Ordinances.
Demands of the Army to be considered.
It was moved, "That the Demands of the Army in their last Representation might be taken into Consideration." and this Question was proposed, "Whether to fall into the Consideration of these Demands of the Army, before they remove Forty Miles from London, according to the former Order of both Houses for their removing further?"
Message from the H. C. with an Order;
and to sit P. M.
2. To let their Lordships know, that the House of Commons have ordered to sit at Five of the Clock this Afternoon; and desire their Lordships would please to sit likewise, if it may stand with their Lordships Conveniency.
Order to give further Power to the Commissioners with the Army.
And the said Order was read again; and an Alteration was offered to be added, to (fn. 1) restrain the Commissioners to treat with the Army concerning those Things which concern them as Soldiers.
Order for the Commissioners with the Army to have further Power to treat with Sir T. Fairfax, &c.
" (fn. 2) Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Commissioners appointed to reside with the Army shall have Power to treat and debate with the General, and such of the Army as he shall appoint, in such Manner as they shall think best, upon the Papers and Desires sent from the Army to the Houses, and the Votes sent to them; and to send from Time to Time the Results of their Debates to the Houses, for their Consideration, that a speedy Conclusion may be thereupon had."
Protest against it.
Memorandum, That these Lords following, before the putting of this Question, desired Leave to enter their Dissents, if this Question were carried in the Affirmative: Which was granted; and did accordingly enter their Dissents, by subscribing their Names.
Answer to the H. C.
L. Wharton added to the Committee with the Army.
Message to the H. C. to acquaint them with it.
Letter from from the Commissioners with the King, that He consents to stay at Royston;— that Col. Rossiter's Regiment is gone to join Sir T. Fairfax by his Orders;— and that Col. Whally continues to command the King's Guards.
"We received yours this Morning, at Six of the Clock; and have delivered the Letter from both Houses to the King accordingly. His Majesty, though much pressed to the contrary, was fully resolved upon His Journey to Richmond, and had given Order for His Dining at Ware, whither the Provision of His House was gone before: But He hath now pleased to let us know, that He will stay here this Day, and that we shall understand His farther Pleasure hereafter. Colonel Rosseter's Regiment is upon their March to the Army by the General's Orders; and Colonel Whalley commands the same Guards here which attended at Newmarkett. This is all I have to return to you at present; remaining,
Letter from the Commissioners with the Army, that it is in its March to Uxbridge.
"This Morning the General acquainted us, that the Army intended to be this Night at Uxbridge. We desired to know the Reason thereof, and endeavoured to prevent it. The General hath just now given us this Account inclosed, which I thought it my Duty immediately to transmit to your Lordship; and rest,
Letter from Sir T. Fairfax, &c. with the Reasons for it.
"In Answer to your Desire of a Reason of the Army's Motion this Day, we thought fit to let you know, That our Quarters are more contracted, but not nearer London, than before; (videlicet,) at Watford, Uxbridge, and the Towns about it, where we wait for an Answer to our just Demands presented to the Parliament. We have often said, we cannot stand as Lookers, to see the Kingdom ruined by the Obstruction and Denial of Justice; and therefore we desire you to move the Parliament, we may not be held still in Doubt, and upon the Disputes of their Commands, to which we shall yield ready Obedience when we see the Kingdom in a Possibility of Settlement; which we conceive cannot be, unless that the Fountain of Justice be delivered from those that corrupt it.
Order for 10,000 l. for Provisions for the Forces in Munster.
"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That Ten Thousand Pounds, Part of Forty Thousand Pounds assigned out of Weavers Hall, for the Service of Ireland, be paid, by Alderman Bunce and the rest of the Treasurers there, unto Mr. Michall Herring; and that the said Ten Thousand Pounds be employed in Recruits, Provisions, and Money, for the Forces of Munster; and that this Ten Thousand Pounds be directed and issued by Order of the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland at Derby House; and that the Acquittance of the said Michall Herring shall be a sufficient Warrant and Discharge to the said Alderman Bunce and the rest of the Treasurers there, for the Payment of the said Ten Thousand Pounds accordingly."
Order for 1225 l. to the Northern, Dutch, and Scotch Officers, for a Month's Pay.
"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Sum of Twelve Hundred Five and Twenty Pounds be paid, by Alderman Bunce and the rest of the Treasurers at Weavers Hall, to Mr. John Pocock, Mr. William Greenhill, and the rest of the Treasurers for Payment of the Officers, to pay those of the Northern, Dutch and Scotts Officers, now in Town, a Month's Pay, that have not yet received it out of the Two Thousand Pounds formerly assigned; and that the Acquittance of the said Mr. Pocock, Mr. William Greenhill, and the rest of the Treasurers, or any Two of them, shall be a sufficient Warrant and Discharge to the said Alderman Bunce and the rest of the Treasurers at Weavers Hall, for the Payment of the said Twelve Hundred Five and Twenty Pounds accordingly."
Order for 6000 l, to Private Soldiers.
"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That Alderman Bunce and the rest of the Treasurers at Weavers Hall do forthwith pay, unto Mr. Thomas Gower, and the rest of the Treasurers formerly appointed for the Payment of the Private Soldier, the Sum of Six Thousand Pounds, to be accounted Part of the Twenty Thousand Pounds formerly assigned for the Payment of the Private Soldier, charged upon the Credit of the Moiety of the Receipts at Gouldsmiths Hall not engaged for Security for the last Two Hundred Thousand Pounds; and that the said Six Thousand Pounds be reimbursed to the Treasure at Weavers Hall, out of the Receipts of the said Moiety, in Course; and that the said Six Thousand Pounds be added to the Ten Thousand Pounds formerly paid out of Weavers Hall for the Private Soldier; and that the whole Sixteen Thousand Pounds be paid out by the said Treasurers unto the Private Soldier, according to such Orders, Directions, and Limitations, as they have formerly received; and that the Acquittance of the said Mr. Thomas Gower and the rest of the Treasurers for Private Soldiers, or any Two of them, shall be a sufficient Warrant and Discharge unto the said Alderman Bunce and the rest of the Treasurers at Weavers Hall, for the Payment of the said Six Thousand Pounds accordingly."
Message from the H. C. with an Order, and with the following
Letter to the Commissioners with the Army, concerning the Enlargement of their Power to treat.
"The Houses have commanded us to acquaint you with their Resolution here inclosed, concerning the Enlargement of your Power to treat with Sir Thomas Fairefax and the Army. They doubt not of your Diligence and Faithfulness, in improving all your Power and Interest in bringing Things to a happy and speedy Issue between the Parliament and Army; which is the Desire of
Letter from them.
Propositions for Peace.
Forces inlisted by the Committee of Safety to be discharged.
"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That if any Forces be listed by virtue of any Order of the Committee of Lords and Commons, and the Committee of the Militia, or of the Committee of the Safety, that they be, and are hereby, discharged."
Letter from the Commissioners with the Army, that the Army is come to Uxbridge; and with the Grievances which the Army desire an immediate Redress of, when they will remove further from London.
"We came hither last Night, where we found the General, with Three Regiments of Foot, and the Train of Artillery, and some Horse; Four Regiments of Foot more being quartered at Watford, and Three at Colebrooke, and most Part of the Horse behind, and on the Sides of the Foot; and that, by Order, the Soldiers came provided with Four Days Victual.
"This Morning Sir Thomas Widdrington and Mr. Povey came to us very early, and brought us the Votes of the House that passed Yesterday, concerning the Members charged by the Army. We, having some Intimations that the Army was to march this Morning, went instantly to the General, and communicated those Votes, and such other Proceedings of the Houses as came to our Knowledge in relation to the Army, the better to let them see the Inclinations of the House towards the Army's Satisfaction; and did desire that nothing might arise from them, that might either disturb the Houses in their Councils, or minister further Occasion of Jealousy, which, we told them, we very much feared, a Report (fn. 3) of which had lately come to us, of the Army's moving nearer London, would do; the Certainty whereof we desired to know, and what their Intentions were therein, and of their Removing. We then understood from the General and his Officers, that, at Twelve last Night, Orders were given, upon Consideration that the whole Body of Foot were so closely contracted, that the Quarters should be enlarged every Way, as well towards London as otherwise, for the mutual Ease of the Country and Soldiery. Against this Resolution we immediately declared our Objections; and very earnestly expostulated the Business with General and Officers, as that which, according to our Apprehensions, would minister Jealousy and Discontent to the Houses, and obstruct that Composure of Things which we found your Inclinations and Actions leading unto. To which the General and Officers replied (and prayed us so to represent their Proceedings in this Business), "That they might be necessitated to some Actions of this Nature, that might carry in the Face of them Occasion of Jealousy, whereas in Truth they are done for the Ease of the Country and Soldiers; and did desire that this Action might be so looked upon by the Parliament." But withal, in this Conference, we so far prevailed with the General and Officers, that, though the Quarter-masters were gone before, and some Regiments were on their March towards Harrow on the Hill and other Places thereabouts, the Orders were immediately countermanded, and new Quarters are assigned them; with this Declaration, that none of them are appointed to be nearer London than Fifteen Miles.
"In this Debate, we labouring to press them with your good Intentions for their Satisfaction, and to draw them to a Certainty that their Removal from hence may be at a farther Distance from London, they made us this Answer: "That there were some Things unresolved by the Houses contained in their late Remonstrance, that were of immediate and absolute Necessity to the Being of the Army; (videlicet,) The (1.) Article, concerning the re-calling the Declaration inviting Men to desert the Army. The (2.) for equal Pay for the Army with those that have deserted it. And the (5.) Article, for discharging and dispersing of such as have deserted this Army; in which if they may receive the Houses Pleasure speedily, they gave us Hope of a certain Answer touching the Motion of the Army at a farther Distance from London.