House of Lords Journal Volume 9: 6 July 1647

Pages 316-318

Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 9, 1646. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.

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DIE Martis, 6 die Julii.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Seaman.

Domini præsentes fuerunt:

Comes Manchester, Speaker.

Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Suffolke.
Comes Mulgrave.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Stamford.
Comes Northumb.
Comes Warwicke.
Comes Kent.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Comes Midd.
Ds. North.
Ds. La Warr.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Grey.
Ds. Hunsdon.
Ds. Willoughby.

L. Mohun and Sir H. Carew.

Ordered, That the Lord Mohun shall put in his Answer to this House, within Ten Days after he is served with the Order concerning the Petition of Sir Cary.

Letters from the Commissioners with the King and with the Army.

A Letter from the Lord Mountague, was read. (Here enter them.)
A Letter from the Earl of Nottingham, was read, with a Paper inclosed.

Willis and Coytmore.

Ordered, That this House will hear the Counsel of Ric'd Willis, concerning a Grant which he pretends to have in the Office of Prothonotary of North Wales, on Thursday Morning next.

Mountagu, Leave to go to Tunbridge;

Upon reading the Petition of Walter Mountagu, a Prisoner in The Tower of London; desiring "Leave to go to Tunbridge Water, for his Health:"

It is Ordered, That he shall have Liberty to go, for his Health; and that the Concurrence of the House of Commons is desired herein.

and the E. of Cleveland to Bath.

Ordered, That the Earl of Cleaveland hath Leave to go to The Baith, for Three Months; giving the like Security and Conditions as formerly.

Message to the H. C. about them; and that the Lords will adjourn to Thursday.

Ordered, That this House shall be adjourned till Thursday Morning next, at Ten a Clock; and to send to the House of Commons, to give them Notice of it.

Which was sent down, by Message, by Doctor Heath and Mr. Hakewill.

Also to desire their Concurrence, that Mr. Walter Mountagu may have Liberty to go to Tunbridge Waters, for his Health, according to his Petition; and to desire Concurrence, that the Earl of Cleaveland may have Liberty to go to The Bath, for Three Months, upon the like Security as formerly.

Letter from the Commissioners with the King, that He is moved to Caversham, and that excepted Persons have Access to Him again.

"For the Right Honourable the Earl of Manchester, Speaker of the House of Peers pro Tempore.

"My Lord,

"Yesterday the King removed from Windsor to Cavesham, where now He is Doctor Shelden, Doctor Hamond, and others in like Condition, have the same Liberty of Access as they had before His Majesty came to Windsor. This is all the Account I can give you; remaining,

Cavesham, 4 Julii, 1647.

"My Lord,
Your Lordship's
Most humble Servant,
Edw. Mountagu."

Letter from the Commissioners with the Army, with the following Paper.

"For the special Affairs of Parliament.

"For the Right Honourable Edward Earl of Manchester, Speaker of the House of Peers. These.

"May it please your Lordship,

"We acquainted you by our last, that this Morning, at Seven of the Clock, we were again to meet the Commissioners of the Army, to make further Proceedings on the Treaty; in Expectation whereof, we continued until past Twelve of the Clock this Day, when we had Notice given us, by Commissary General Ireton, Sir Hardresse Waller, and some other of the Commissioners, "That the Business of the Charge concerning the Eleven Members, and some other intervening Occasions, had taken up so much, that they could not possibly come to us sooner; but they assured us that, this Afternoon at Two of the Clock, they would give us a Meeting;" about which Time they came accordingly; and in the First Place propounded for our Debate some Things which they affirmed to be wanting in the late Votes of the Houses, in relation to the Desires of the Army, sent from Uxbridge, June 27, 1647: The Result of which Debate we send your Lordship here inclosed; whereby Intimation is given to us, "That they have several Things of Weight to offer, very much conducing (as they say) to the preserving of the Peace and Safety of this Kingdom, &c." Unto which we replied, "That, if the Things they had to offer were contained within the Papers and Desires of the Army to which our Commission refers, we should then be ready to debate upon them when they were communicated to us: We are in continual Expectation to hear what they have to offer to us hereupon; but it is so late at Night, that we cannot hope to come to any Debate thereof until To-morrow Morning; and therefore held it our Duty to give you this Account at present. And so rests

Reading; the 5th of July, 1647, 11 at Night.

"Your Lordship's
Humble Servants,
C. Nottingham. P. Wharton."

Paper from the Commissioners appointed by Sir T. Fairfax, &c. containing further Desires.

Having heard the Objections of your Lordships and the rest of the Commissioners to the Things we proposed as wanting in the late Votes of the Houses, in relation to the Desires of the Army, sent from Uxbridge, June 27th, 1647; we are satisfied to lay aside some of those Particulars, and to insist only to these following; which we humbly desire the Parliament would be pleased to consider:

"Things wanting in the late Votes of the Houses, in relation to the Desires of the Army sent from Uxbridge, June the 27th, 1647.

"To the First Desire: That either the Declaration mentioned in that Article may be re-called; or else that it may be further declared, That those that shall, contrary to the Order of June the 28th, leave the Army, shall not have any Benefit of that former Declaration, for present Payment of Arrears.

"To the Second: That the Provision voted may be quickened with Effect.

"To the Third: Whereas, on Tuesday, June the 28th, it was voted, That those that had left the Army should forthwith be either sent over into Ireland, or disbanded; and it was referred to the Committee for Ireland, to consider how that Vote might be put in Execution, and report their Opinions on Thursday Morning then next following: Now, since we hear not of any Report made thereupon, nor any further Care taken therein, after Five or Six Days elapsed, we humbly desire, That, in case they be not without further Delay sent and shipped for Ireland, they may be forthwith discharged and dispersed.

"To the Fourth: We desire that the Ordinance for the Purpose in that Article exprest may be speedily passed, and put in Execution.

"To the Sixth: We desire that the Establishment intended for present Maintenance of the Army, as also the Provision for Arrears, may be hastened with Effect.

"To the Fifth: Little being yet done in relation thereto, we have several Things of Weight to offer, which we conceive will very much conduce to the present preserving of the Peace and Safety of this Kingdom, the Prevention of a new War, and to the sending of some present Relief for Ireland, which we shall offer next.

Reading, the 5th of July, 1647.

"By the Appointment of the Commissioners for the Army.

"Signed, Tho. Margetts, Secr.

"Vera Copia, ex'r per Geo. Pyke."

Brown, Cler. Parl. Sir A. Littleton, & al.

versus Morris, alias Poyntz, & al.

It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords in Parliament assembled, That the Cause between John Browne Esquire, Clerk of the Parliaments, Sir Adam Littleton Baronet, and others, against John Morris, alias Poyntz, Mary his Wife, Isabell Smith, Leonard Darby, and John Harris & al. shall be further heard and determined, at this Bar, by Counsel [ (fn. 1) on both Sides, on Saturday the 10th of this Instant July;] and that the said Morris and others shall have Warrant for such Witnesses as they shall desire, so that they be not Parties in this Cause already; they giving in the Names of their Witnesses unto the Clerk of this House, according to Course: And hereof all Parties are to take Notice, and attend with their said Counsel and Witnesses accordingly.

Smith to be instituted to Icklingham.

Ordered, &c. That Doctor Aylett shall give Institution and Induction to Edward Smith Clerk, Master of Arts, to the Rectory of Icklingham St. James, in the County of Suff. void by the Death of the last Incumbent, Samuell Gary; salvo Jure cujuscunque; he taking the National League and Covenant, and producing his Presentation thereunto under the Hand and Seal of Sir John Holland Baronet, the lawful Patron.


House adjourned till 10a, Thursday Morning next.


  • 1. Bis in Originali.