House of Lords Journal Volume 9: 20 July 1647

Pages 339-341

Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 9, 1646. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.

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DIE Martis, 20 Julii.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Chambers.

Domini præsentes fuerunt:

Comes Manchester, Speaker.

Comes Northumb.
Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Warwicke.
Comes Suffolke.
Comes Mulgrave.
Comes Pembrooke.
Ds. North.
Ds. Hunsdon.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. Lawarr.

Answer from the H. C.

Doctor Aylett and Mr. Sadler return with this Answer from the House of Commons:

That as to the Ordinance for restoring the Earl of Pembrooke to be Chancellor of Oxford, and the Lord Willoughbie's Order, and Sir Spottswood's Business, they will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Order for restraining the Prisoners in The Tower, vacated.

Ordered, That the last Order of this House, for restraining the Prisoners in The Tower, is hereby revoked, and the Prisoners lest in Statu quo.

King's Children to be removed to Sion;

Upon Information this Day, "That the Sickness is much St. James', where the Duke of Yorke and the Duke of Glou'ester, and the Princess Eliz. are:"

It is Ordered, and thought fit, That they be removed to Syon.

E. of Northumberland desires an Allowance for them.

The Earl of Northumb. desired, "That some effectual Course may be taken, to provide the Money assigned by the Parliament for the Expences of the King's Children; and that, if the Houses please, they would think fit to employ such Person or Persons as they shall make Choice of, to receive and issue the Monies appointed by the Parliament for the Use of the King's Children, that his Lordship may be freed from meddling with those Monies; which have proved a Trouble to him, he being necessitated sometimes to lay out of his own Purse Fifteen Hundred Pounds, or Two Thousand Pounds, for the supplying of their necessary Occasions; and in the Condition that his Estate is in, he cannot assure himself of having always such a Sum to spare."

Ordered, That this Desire be sent to the House of Commons.

Message to the H. C. about it.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Doctor Aylett and Mr. Sadler:

1.To let them know, that, in regard of the Sickness coming near St. James', the Lords think it fit that the King's Children be forthwith removed to Syon; and desire their Concurrence therein.

2. To deliver the Paper of the Desire of the Earl of Northumb. mentioned above.

Delinquents sent for, for cutting down the Earl of Derby's Woods.

Upon Complaint made, "That the Woods of the Earl of Darby are destroyed and cut down, contrary to a former Order of this House:"

It is Ordered, That, upon Affidavit made of the Persons, they are to be sent for as Delinquents; and an Order to be issued out, directed to the Sheriff of Lancashire, for the preventing the like for the future; and that the Woods already cut down may not be carried away.

Letter, &c. from the Commiss. with the Army.

A Letter, with inclosed Papers, sent from the Commissioners with the Army, were read.

(Here enter them.)

The Lord Wharton had Thanks given him, by the Speaker, in the Name of the House, for his Care and Pains in his Employment.

Preacher at the Fast.

Ordered, That Mr. Langley is appointed to preach the next Fast-day, before the Lords, in the Place of Mr. Burges.

Message from the H. C. about disbanding the Forces that came from the Army, and continuing the Committee, &c.for the Army.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Rob't Harley Knight;

To put their Lordships in Mind of Two Orders formerly brought up:

1. Concerning the Disbanding of the Forces which came off from the Army.

2. Concerning continuing the Committee and Treasurers for the Army.

Agreed to, with Alterations, which are to be sent to the House of Commons for their Concurrence.

The Answer returned was:


That this House will take their Message into Consideration; and send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Message to the H. C. with the Order to continue the Committee, &c. for the Army;

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Doctor Aylett and Mr. Sadler:

1. To deliver to them the Order for the Committee and Treasurers of the Army, with the Alteration; and desire their Concurrence therein.

and with Packer's Petition.

2. To deliver to them the Petition of Mr. John Packer, with special Recommendations.

Langham and Lymbrey.

This Day Mr. Baron Trevor and Mr. Justice Bacon made their several Arguments, concerning the Case between Alderman Langham, &c. and Lymbery, &c. referred to the Judges.

Ordered, That Friday next this Business shall be taken into Consideration.

Mr. Hakewill, Leave to be absent.

Ordered, That Mr. Hakewill hath Leave to go into the Country, for some Days.

Deane, a Pass.

Ordered, That Doctor Deane shall have a Pass, to go beyond the Seas.

Letter from the Commissioners with the Army, about the Treaty.

"For the Right Honourable Edward Earl of Manchester, Speaker of the House of Peers. These.

"May it please your Lordship,

"We made a Dispatch unto you last Night very late by the Post, and gave you then a general Account of our Proceedings; and, after the reading of the Proposals mentioned in that Dispatch, had some Papers brought unto us, by Sir Hardresse Waller and other Officers, containing some Desires of the Army, in order to their present Security; which Papers, before they were transcribed, were sent for back again: We expect the return of them this Day, and shall thereupon transmit them to your Lordship with all Speed. In the mean Time, it was held fit to desire the Lord Wharton to come up to you, for your more perfect Knowledge in any Thing that may relate to our former Dispatches, and that nothing may be wanting on our Parts in Discharge of the Trust reposed in us; who are

Reading, the 19th of July, 1647.

"Your Lordship's
Humble Servants,
C. Nottingham.
P. Wharton.

"Since the Writing of this Letter, these inclosed Papers have been brought unto us by some of the Officers of the Army; which we held our Duty immediately to send unto you."

Papers from the Commissioners appointed by Sir T. Fairfax, &c. to treat with them.

"According to, and in Pursuance of, the Particulars mentioned under the Fifth Head of the Representations of the Army; we do earnestly desire,

"That all Persons imprisoned in England, or Dominion of Wales, not for Delinquency in relation to the late War, but for other pretended Misdemeanors, whose Imprisonment is not by the ordinary and regulated Course of Law, but by Order from either House of Parliament, or of Committees flowing from them, may be put into a speedy, regular, and equitable Way of Trial; or (if the Necessity of settling the general Affairs of the Kingdom admit not their present Trial) then they may have present Liberty, upon reasonable Security for their Appearance at a certain Day, to answer what shall be charged against them in a legal Way; and that, when they shall be tried, if they appear wrongfully or unduly imprisoned, they may have Reparation according to their Sufferings: In particular we desire this may be done in Behalf of Lieutenant Colonel Jo. Lilburne, Mr, Musgrave, Mr. Overton, and others in their Condition, imprisoned in and about London.

Reading, July 19th, 1647.

"By the Appointment of his Excellency Sir Thomas Fairefax, and his Council of War.

"Jo. Rushworth.
Vera Copia, exam'r
per George Pyke."

"These several ensuing Particulars, being considered, debated, and resolved upon, at a General Council of War (his Excellency being present); we, the Commissioners of the Army, were appointed (in the Name and Behalf of them) to present the same to your Lordships and the Commissioners, to be tendered with all Speed to the Parliament; which we accordingly offer, and desire your speedy Care therein, that so an Answer, according to the Desire and Expectation of the Army, may be speedily returned to these Particulars.

"1. That there be an effectual Declaration forthwith published to the whole Kingdom, against the inviting, bringing, or coming in, of any Foreign Forces, under any Pretence whatsoever.

"2. That the Army may be paid up equally with the Deserters thereof, according to the late Votes of Parliament; and that the Army may forthwith be put into a constant Course of Pay, that they may not be so burthensome and oppressive to the Country; for the more speedy Performance whereof, we desire that the House of Peers would be pleased to concur with the Desires of the House of Commons (so often proposed to them), for the reviving of the Committee for the Army, that so the Assessments and great Sums in Arrears, both in the City and elsewhere, may be by their Endeavour collected, for the speedy and necessary Supply of the Army; and also that the Treasurers and the Committee of Weavers Hall may be speedily called to Accompt, what Manner, and by what Warrant, the Two Hundred and Thirty Thousand Pounds lately intrusted in their Hands have been in so short a Time consumed.

"3. That the Militia of the City of London and the Committee for the same may consist of such Persons, and speedily be returned into those Hands, who formerly during the worst of Times have therein given large Testimony of their Fidelity to the Parliament and Kingdom; which, besides the real Security it will be to the Parliament and Kingdom, in preventing of Dangers and Preparations towards a new War, would conduce so much to the removing of Jealousies, and give such a Ground of Confidence to the Army, as that we might the better dispose it to larger Quarters, in several Parts, for the Ease of the Country.

Reading, 19 1647.

"By the Appointment of the Commissioners for the Army.

"Wm. Clarke."

Pugh to be instituted to Llanstyndery.

Ordered, That Doctor Aylett, or his lawful Deputy, shall give Institution and Induction unto Henry Pugh Clerk, Batchelor in Arts, to the Rectory of Llanystyndery, in the County of Carnarvon, void by the Death of the last Incumbent; salvo Jure cujuscunque; he taking the National League and Covenant, and producing his Presentation thereunto under the Great Seal of England.