House of Lords Journal Volume 9: 6 November 1647

Pages 512-513

Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 9, 1646. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.

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DIE Saturni, 6 die Novembris.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Salawey.

Domini præsentes fuerunt:

Comes Manchester, Speaker.

Comes Kent.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Warwicke.
Comes Salisbury.
Comes Denbigh.
Comes Nottingham.
Ds. North.
Ds. Mountagu.
Ds. La Warr.
Ds. Grey.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Dacres.
Ds. Wharton.

Letter from the Scots Commissioners.

A Letter from the Scotts Commissioners, was read. (Here enter it.)

Answer from the H. C.

Doctor Aylett and Mr. Sadler return with this Answer from the House of Commons:

That they agree concerning Colonel Brandling's Business; and to the Order concerning the Articles of Exeter: (Here enter them.) They have taken the Earl of Ordmond's Letter into Consideration; and they will send an Answer to the rest by Messengers of their own.

Count. of Arundel, a Pass to France.

Ordered, That the Countess of Arundell and her Twelve Servants, with their Accommodations, shall have Liberty to return into France.

Ordinance to confirm the Receivers, &c. appointed by the Revenue Committee.

Ordered, That the Ordinance for confirming the Receivers Places conferred by the Committee for the Revenue, be referred to the Consideration of these Lords following; who are to receive what Information they can concerning the Parties concerned, and report to this House by Wednesday next, on which Day this House will proceed upon it:

Comes Kent.
Comes Salisbury.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Denbigh.
Ds. La Warr.
Ds. Wharton.

Any Two; to meet on Monday Morning, at Nine a Clock, in the Lord Keeper's Lodgings, and at such Time after as the Committee from Time to Time shall adjourn to.

Message to the H. C. about the following Particulars.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Doctor Aylett and Mr. Sadler:

1. To deliver to them the Ordinance concerning Mr. Grant, and desire their Concurrence therein.

2. To deliver to them the Petition of the Lady Cawfield.

3. To deliver to them the Petition of Wm. Hawkins, and recommend it to them.

4. To put them in Mind of John Borras's Pardon.

5. To put them in Mind of Captain Jones's Petition.

6. To put them in Mind of the Petition of the Poor Knights of Windsor.

Ordinance to rebuild Taunton Church.

An Ordinance was brought in, and read, for rebuilding of the Church at Taunton, in Glo'stershire; which was Agreed to.

Letter from the Scots Commissioners, desiring the King may be brought to London, for a Personal Treaty with the Houses; and that He may be no longer under the Power of the Army.

"Right Honnorable,

"As, upon the Removall of His Majesty from Holdenby, against His Will, by a Party of the Army under the Commaund of Sir Thomas Fairefax, wee expressed our Sense and the Resentment of the Kingdome of Scotland of that violent Action; soe the Committee of Estates of the Parliament of Scotland, findeing that His Majesty is still kept within the Power of that Army, thought themselves obliged to endeavor to know the Certainty of His Condition: In Obedience to their Comaunds, wee have applyed ourselves to His Majesty, that from Himselfe wee might know the Truth thereof, who was pleased to shew us His Usage ever since He came from Newcastle: But for His present Condition, He really professeth He cannott; but referrs us to knowe it from the Two Houses of Parliament and the Army.

"Both Houses, by many Professions and Engagments, have declared to the Kingdome of Scotland, That they would take Care of the Preservation of His Person, His just Power and Greatnes (which both Kingdomes have sworne not to diminish); and the Parliament of Scotland, upon the King's goeing to Holdenby, did declare against all Harme, Prejudice, Injury, or Violence, to bee done to His Royall Person: Therefore, in Pursuance of the Trust committed to us, wee make this Addresse to the Honnorable Houses, conceiveing it needlesse to apply ourselves to the Army, (fn. 1) who wee suppose are, and ought to be, under their Comaund; desireing to knowe from them the Certainty of His Majesty's Condition; and the rather, that wee are informed there are Intentions in the Army of removeing Him from Hampton Court.

"The Kingdome of Scotland finding that their Stability and Happines doth soe much depend upon the Safety and Preservation of His Majesty's Royall Person, and being resolved that noe Alteration of Affaires shall ever seperate them from that Duty and Allegiance they owe unto Him, nor from their constant Resolution to live in all Loyalty and Obedience under His Government, have often shewen their earnest Desires, and contributed their uttmost Endeavors, towards the Composure of these unhappy Differences: And the Houses of Parliament haveing, by their Votes of the 26th of October last, intimated to us their Resolutions to apply themselves to His Majesty, and that they are prepareing Propositions to be tendred to Him, wee doe desire that they may be expedited, and comunicated to us, that, according to our many Ingagements and Resolutions, there may bee still a Conjunction of Councells, in those Things that are for the common Peace and joynt Interest of both Kingdomes.

"And for the better asserting of them, for cleeringe His Majesty's Doubts, and for the giveing and receiveing mutuall Sattisfaction; wee doe desire, in the Name of the Kingdome of Scotland, That there may be a Personall Treaty with His Majesty, as the best and readiest Meanes to obtayne the joynt Desires of both Kingdomes; and, for that Effect, that the King may bee invited to come to London, with that Honnor, Freedome, and Respect, due to His Majesty, or at least remaine at Hampton Court, and not be under the Power and Constraint of Souldiers, where both Kingdomes may make their free Applications to Him, without any Danger of such Stopp or Affront as hath bin already committed against a Commissioner of Scotland, and for which noe Reparation hath bin yet made; and that His Majesty be noe more carryed aboute with the Army at their Pleasure.

"These wee conceive to be the most probable and effectuall Meanes for attayning a happy Peace, setlinge of Religion, restoreing His Majesty to His just Rights, and continueinge and strengtheninge a good Understanding betwixt these Kingdomes: which are most earnestly desired by the Kingdome of Scotland, and shal be constantly and faithfully endeavored by

Worcester House, 5 Nov. 1647.

"Your Lordship's
Humble Servaunts,
Charles Erskine.
Hew Kennedy.
Ro. Barclay.

"For the Right Honnorable the Speaker of the House of Peeres pro Tempore."


House adjourned till 10a, Monday Morning next.


  • 1. Deest in Originali.