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24th April 1624

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SATURDAY, 24 APRIL 1624

I. JOURNAL OF THE HOUSE OF COMMONS, PA, HC/CL/JO/1/14

[CJ 689; f. 9]

Sabbati, 240 Aprilis, 220 Jacobi

[L. 2.] David Stanniere took the oaths of supremacy and allegiance.

Committed.

Sir Thomas Myddelton Sir Thomas Hoby
Sir John Danvers Mr. [Christopher] Herrys
Mr. [William] Coryton Sir William Masham
Sir John Stradling Mr. [Francis] Fetherston[haugh]
Mr. Whitaker Mr. [John] Prowse
Sir Thomas Hyrne Mr. [Robert] Snelling
Mr. [William] Cage W[illiam Lord] Cavendish
Mr. [John] Guy Sir John Eliot
Mr. [Richard] Tomlyns Mr. [James] Bagg
Sir Edward Giles Sir Roger North
Sir D[udley] Digges Sir Edward Peyton
Sir H[enry] Anderson
Mr. [Edward] Popham

Tuesday next, 7 [o']clock, in the Court of Wards.

[f. 9v] L. 2a. Sir Robert Carr['s] naturalization.

Committed to the same committee, the same time.

A petition against printing of one side.

Ordered, the patent to be brought in to the committee for grievances upon Friday next, the same being gotten [sic] out by a false suggestion.

L. 2a. Sir Richard Burneby's bill.

Committed to:

Sir Clement Throckmorton Sir Thomas Estcourt
Mr. Whitaker Mr. [Francis] Fetherston[haugh]
Mr. [John] Drake Sir A[rthur] Herrys
Sir Robert More Knights and burgesses of Northampton, Leicester and Warwick
Mr. Solicitor Sir H[enry] Slingsby
Sir Robert Hatton
Sir Roland Egerton

Tuesday, 2 [o']clock, in the Court of Wards.

Ordered, that all the members of the House shall attend the House by half an hour after 7 of the clock, and bills to be put to passage by 8, and bills to be put to passage upon Monday next.

Edward Egerton's bill to be secondly read upon Monday next at 7 of the clock.

[CJ 690] L. 3a. Sir Richard Lumley's bill.

Upon question, passed.

Monday next in the afternoon for the Merchant Adventurers to attend the committee for grievances.

[Martin] Calthorpe's bill reported by MR. SOLICITOR, with amendments, which twice read. Engrossetur.

L. 3a. Contentious suits against officers.

Upon question, passed. 70 Jac.

L. 3a. Naturalization. [Sir George] Abercromby, [Sir Robert] Anstruther and [Dr. John] Craig.

Upon question, passed.

[f. 10] L. 3a. Lord Wentworth and Hackney bill.

Upon question, passed.

MR. [JOHN] CARVILE reports the bill of laying personal actions in the proper county, with amendments, which twice read. Engrossetur.

Tuesday, peremptory, for the knights and burgesses to bring in the names of recusants according to former orders. The presentment to be general of all in authority.

Bill of usury next after the subsidy.

Upon question, these knights and burgesses to make this presentment, according to former order, of all that that [sic] be in authority.

L. 2a. The bill of subsidy read secondly.

SIR EDWARD COKE. First, to agree of the number of those to whom the subsidies and fifteens shall be paid. Secondly, the parties to be named.

To have the names of the Council at [sic] War known, and how many of them shall warrant the issuing of the money. Would have the treasurers and Council of War sworn (for so the precedents), and the form of the oath to be set down in the act. An allowance to these treasurers, what to be considered of. To provide for the discharge of these treasurers and Council at [sic] War doing their duties. To have the acquittances under hand and seal, and enrolled, for other writings may be lost.

MR. [EDWARD] ALFORD. Some things in the old act. The presentment to be our honest neighbours, as in former times. A place local where this money shall be paid to the collectors. Would have 8 to be treasurers. Whether one of these shall be charged for another.

SIR JOHN ELIOT moves this money may be paid into the chamber of the City of London.

[f. 10v] Resolved, these treasurers or committees to be only of members of this House.

SIR EDWIN SANDYS. To leave this to debate at a committee, for so heavy a burden to any member of this House, as, for his own part, had rather be sent to the Tower for 1 year and pay £500 than by [sic] one of them.

SIR ROBERT PHELIPS. To refer this to a debate at the committee.

Resolved, upon question.

MR. SECRETARY CONWAY. That the Council of War are already nominated by his Majesty, but whether these intended so to continue, as these shall give only directions for the issuing of this money, knows not. Has appointed these for defence of the kingdom, Ireland, navy, relief of friends: Lord Grandison, Lord Carew, Lord Brooke, Lord Chichester, Secretary Conway, Sir Edward Cecil, Sir H[oratio de] Vere, Sir Robert Mansell, Sir John Ogle, Sir Thomas Button.

Committed to a committee of the whole House.

Resolved, upon question, that in the bill of subsidy, the names of the Council of War which shall be appointed to issue the money shall be particularly inserted.

The manner of acquittances, allowances, etc. to be referred to a committee of the whole House. To meet in the House at 2 of the clock this afternoon.

MR. SOLICITOR reports for a pardon tendered by his Majesty. Offers some heads agreed upon by the lords of the Council, praeside principe. [First,] pardon of all alienations without licence until 60 October last, when the Prince returned, and to extend to lands seised, as well as not seised. Secondly, to concealed wardships until 250 Martii, 160 Jac. Thirdly, of all primer seisins, liveries and ouster-le-mains until the same time. Fourthly, of the mis-suing of liveries and ouster-le-mains until 60 October last. [f. 11] Fifthly, all the King's title of quare impedit where the incumbent has been in 3 years never after to be questioned. Sixthly, all irregularity contrary to canons, etc. Seventhly, exception of adultery, simony, incest, schism and heresy; all other spiritual offences pardoned. Eighthly, a pardon of all debts, accounts, [blank] until 10 Jac.

Shall have words that this shall be effectual, both against the King and all other patentees whatsoever.

The King's answer to our petition for religion, so full and gracious as cannot be expressed. This agreed upon, being the same in both Houses.

This read first by MR. SOLICITOR, and then by the Clerk.

SIR ROBERT PHELIPS. That the last part of this report not so full of comfort as spoken by his Majesty, for, as he remembers, he particularly enumerated the match of the Prince, and also of his grandchildren.

This agreed generally to have been spoken, and by MR. SOLICITOR himself. Thereupon, the paper delivered again to Mr. Solicitor, and he and Sir Robert Phelips required to go up into the Committee Chamber and to add this.

SIR JOHN ELIOT moves for thanks to the Prince, King and God. A message of thanks to the Prince to desire him to be our mouth of thanks to the King and to entreat him there may be a general thanksgiving to God throughout the kingdom.

Tirwitt and Andrewes to be sent for for executing the patent of concealed tithes since the last Parliament, according to former order.

Ordered, this answer to our petition for religion shall be entered in the Journal, and copies to be made thereof to any.

[House adjourned]

II. JOURNAL OF THE HOUSE OF COMMONS, PA, HC/CL/JO/1/13

[CJ 774; f. 161v]

Sabbati, 24 Aprilis 1624

L. 2. An act for the naturalizing of David Stanniere.

Committed to:

Sir Thomas Myddelton Mr. Whitaker
Sir John Danvers Sir Thomas Hyrne
Mr. [William] Coryton Mr. [William] Cage
Sir John Stradling Mr. [John] Guy
Sir Edward Giles Mr. [Richard] Tomlyns
Sir William Masham Sir Thomas Hoby
Mr. [Francis] Fetherston[haugh] Mr. [Christopher] Herrys
Mr. [John] Prowse Mr. [Robert] Snelling
Sir Dudley Digges Sir Henry Anderson
Mr. [Edward] Popham Sir Edward Peyton
[William] Lord Cavendish
Sir John Eliot
Sir Roger North

Tuesday morning, 7 [o']clock, Court of Wards.

L. 2. An act for the naturalizing of Sir Robert Carr.

Committed to the former committee at same time.

MR. [RICHARD] TOMLYNS. A petition against Roger Wood. To have the patent brought in to the committee of grievances at next sitting.

Ordered.

[f. 162] L. 2. Sir Richard Burneby's bill.

Committed to:

Sir Clement Throckmorton Mr. [Francis] Fetherston[haugh]
Mr. Whitaker Sir Arthur Herrys
Mr. [John] Drake Knights, burgesses of Northampton, Leicester and Warwick
Sir Robert More
Sir Thomas Estcourt
Sir Henry Slingsby
Mr. Solicitor
Sir Robert Hatton
Sir Roland Egerton

Tuesday, 2 [o']clock, Court of Wards.

Ordered, that all the members of the House shall attend the House half an hour after 7 of the clock, and bills to be put to the passage on Monday next.

[Edward] Egerton's bill to be secondly read.

[Blank]

L. 3. An act to enable Sir Richard Lumley to sell certain lands.

Upon question, passed.

Monday next, afternoon, for the Merchant Adventurers to attend our committee.

MR. SOLICITOR reports [Martin] Calthorpe's bill. The amendments twice read.

Ordered, to be engrossed.

L. 3. An act to prevent contentious suits against justices of peace and other officers. Upon question, passed.

[f. 162v] L. 3. An act for the naturalizing of Sir Robert Anstruther, Sir George Abercromby and [Dr.] John Craig

Upon question, passed.

L. 3. Lord Wentworth's bill.

Upon question, passed.

MR. [JOHN] CARVILE reports the bill for laying actions of debt and other actions in their proper counties. The amendments twice read.

Ordered, to be engrossed.

The order for presenting recusants to be on Tuesday, peremptory. All that are in any commission or charge though not resident in their counties.

Upon question, that the knights and burgesses shall present all such as are in authority within their counties, according to the former order.

L. 2. Subsidy bill.

SIR EDWARD COKE. [Blank]

[f. 163] This point concerning the number of the treasurers referred to the committee.

MR. SECRETARY CONWAY. The King has named already a Council of War for those 4 ends propounded by us.

Lord Grandison Secretary Conway
Lord Carew Sir Edward Cecil
Lord Brooke Sir Horatio [de] Vere
Lord Chichester Sir Robert Mansell
Sir John Ogle
Sir Thomas Button

Resolved, that the names of these counsellors of war shall be inserted in the bill of subsidy.

Other things referred to the committee.

The bill committed to a committee of the whole House. This afternoon in the House.

MR. SOLICITOR. The King taking knowledge of our forwardness for the bill of subsidy, not to be behind with us, commanded to acquaint the Houses with some heads for the pardon.

  • 1. For all alienations without licence from the 6th of October last, the day the Prince came home; to lands seised, as well as not.
  • 2. Concealed wardships from 25 March, 16 Jac.
  • 3. All primer seisins, concealed liveries and ouster-le-mains until that time whereof continuances.
  • 4. Mis-suing of liveries and ouster-le-mains to the 6th of October last.
  • 5. For the spirituality, that all titles of quare impedit. No question for those where a possession for 3 years.
  • 6. Not [sic] observation of canons.
  • 7. Exception of adultery, simony, incest, schism and heresy excepted from the spiritual courts.
  • 8. The pardon of all old debts and accounts and fines in the Star Chamber not levied nor stalled until 1 Jacobi.

These things had wont to be excepted. Shall be effectual against the King and all patentees whatsoever.

Secondly, will report the King's answer yesterday to our petition about recusants. Set down in writing. Read.

SIR ROBERT PHELIPS. Hopes this a beginning and foundation of much comfort to us, and disheartening to our adversaries. The latter part of this not so full as delivered by his Majesty. Not only extended to the person of the Prince, but to his grandchildren.

Solicitor ordered to insert this.

SIR JOHN ELIOT revives a motion made at the beginning of this Parliament of giving thanks to the Prince, the King and to God. Much more reason to do it now than before.

SIR FRANCIS SEYMOUR. To express thankfulness rather in action than words. To rise now and to come the sooner in the afternoon to the bill of subsidy.

[CJ 775] MR. SOLICITOR. They have added those words omitted before.

The answer of the King ordered to be entered into the Clerk's book, and all to have copies of it.

[f. 164] Tirwit and Andrews to be sent for for executing the patent of concealed tithes since the last Parliament, according to former order.

[House adjourned]

III. DIARY OF JOHN HAWARDE, WILTSHIRE AND SWINDON ARCHIVES, 9/34/2

[p. 255]

Saturni, 24 Aprilis 1624

3. L. Bill pur Lord Wentworth et ses tenants in Stepney.

Sur queston, passe.

Bill reporte par [MR. JOHN] CARVILE pur acton sur accomts [et] contracts in proper counties.

Sur question, engrosse.

Tusedaye pur retorner recusants. Sur question, pur presenter tout accordant al science et nihil in discretion.

Cest afternoone wee did attende the Kinge at Whitehall for an aunsware of our petition and there wee stayed till seaven [o']clocke, and then in the closette wee hearde him delyver this gracyouse aunsware to the comforte and good contente of us all, which ensewethe on the other side of this page.

[Blank]

[p. 256] My Lords and gentlemen of both Howses.

[p. 261] 2. L. Bill pur subsidie lie.

SIR EDWARD COKE. Pur nominacion del tresorers [et] counsell de guerre. Tresorers deste iure; acquittance enrolle; nomber del tresorers 8.

MR. [EDWARD] ALFORD. [Blank]

SIR JOHN ELIOT. Pur Citie de Londres.

SIR EDWIN SANDYS. [Blank]

SIR ROBERT PHELIPS. Pur committee.

Sur question, committee this afternoone, the whole Howse.

SECRETARY CONWAY.

  • 1. Lord Vicont Grandison.
  • 2. Lord Carew.
  • 3. Lord Brooke.
  • 4. Lord Chichester.
  • 5. [Sir] Horatio [de] Vere.
  • 6. [Sir] Edward Cecil.
  • 7. [Sir] Robert Mansell.
  • 8. [Sir Edward] Conway.
  • 9. [Sir] Thomas Button.
  • 10. [Sir] John Ogle.

Thus placed upon debate in course of honour:

  • 1. Lord Carew.
  • 2. Lord Brooke.
  • 3. Lord Viconte Grandison.
  • 4. Lord Chichester.
  • 5. Sir Edward Cecil.
  • 6. Sir Horatio [de] Vere.
  • 7. Secretarye Conway.
  • 8. Sir Robert Mansell.
  • 9. Sir John Ogle.
  • 10. Sir Thomas Button.

SOLLICITOR reporte pardon:

  • 1. Al 6 October passe pur license d'alienacion, le jour del retorn del Prince, al terres seisie et non seisie.
  • 2. 25 Martii, 16 Jacobi concealed gardships.
  • 3. [All concealed] primer seisins et ouster-le-mains [et] liveries [sur] continuance.
  • [p. 262] 4. 6 October passe pur mis-suinge liveries, seisures et ouster-le-mains.
  • 5. Title par quare impedit pur laps en collacion, 3 ans in possess[ion], ne sera disturbe par le Roy.
  • 6. Irregularitie pur non observacon de canons.
  • 7. Adulterie, simonie, inceste, schisme and heresie [except del pardon].
  • 8. Old detts, accounts, arrerags, fines nient justable in camera stellata al 1 Jacobi.

Nient parolls mes in effecte, mes effectuall versus le Roy et touts pattentees.

SOLLICITOR reporte response del Roy al notre peticon, come devant lie bis.

SIR ROBERT PHELIPS. Actinge comforts us really, et addicon de 2x parolls in le fine.

SIR JOHN ELIOT. [Blank]

SIR FRANCIS SEYMOUR. [Blank]

Post meridiem, [committee of the Whole House]

Sir Robert Heath in le chaire.

Debate pur le subsidie.

  • 1. Sur question, committees et null corporacion.
  • 2. Sur 2nd question, 8 committees.
  •      1. Sir Thomas Myddelton, sur question.
  •      2. Alderman [George] Whitmore, sur question.
  •      3. Alderman [Ralph] Freeman, sur question.
  •      4. Sir Paul Bayning, sur q[uestion].
  •      [p. 263] 5. Sir Richard Grobham, sur q[uestion].
  •      6. [Mr.] Martin Bond, sur q[uestion].
  •      7. Alderman [James] Cambell, sur qu[estion].
  •      8. Alderman [Sir Edward] Barkham, sur q[uestion].

IV. DIARY OF JOHN HOLLES, BL, HARL. MS 6,383

[f. 138v]

Saturday, 24th of April

[Afternoon,] at the committee [of the Whole House] to appoint treasurers for the subsidies

There were chosen: Sir Thomas Myddelton, Alderman [Ralph] Freeman, Alderman [George] Whitmore, Sir Paul Bayning, Sir Richard Grobham, Mr. [Martin] Bond, Alderman [James] Cambell, Sir Edward Barkham.

V. DIARY OF SIR THOMAS JERVOISE, HAMPSHIRE RECORD OFFICE, 44M69/F4/20/1

[p. 137]

[24 April 1624]

Treasurers appointed by the House of Commons the 24[th of] April:

  • 1. Sir Thomas Myddelton.
  • 2. Alderman [George] Whitmore.
  • 3. Alderman [Ralph] Freeman.
  • 4. Sir Paul Bayning.
  • 5. Sir Richard Grobham.
  • 6. Mr. Martin Bond.
  • [7.] Alderman [James] Cambell.
  • [8.] Alderman [Sir Edward] Barkham.

[p. 138] His Majesty's answer unto our petition for matters of religion at Whitehall to both the committees of the Houses of Parliament, the 23rd of April.

[p. 143] The points of the King's pardon:

  • 1. Licence of alienation, extending as well to lands seised as not seised, relating to the 6th of October last past, which was the day of the Prince's return.
  • 2. For concealed wardships that relate to the 25th Martii, 16 Jacobi.
  • 3. Concealments of primer seisins, outlawries [sic] and liveries that are for continuances.
  • 4. The mis-suing of liveries and ouster- [p. 144] [le-]mains relating to the 6th October past.
  • 5. For quare impedits by lapse or collation or by 3 years' possession shall not be disturbed by the King.
  • 6. All irregularities of canons pardoned for not [sic] observation.
  • 7. All offences except adultery, incest, simony, heresy.
  • 8. All old debts due to the King, all accounts with the arrearages of old debts, all fines in the Star Chamber not installed or estreated from the first of Jacobi.

This effectual against the King and all his substitutes.

VI. DIARY OF EDWARD NICHOLAS, TNA, SP 14/166

[f. 172v]

Saturday, 24 Aprilis 1624

An act to enable Sir Richard Burneby to sell the manor of Watford in comitatu Northampton. 2. [L.,] committed, Tuesday, in Court [of] Wards.

An act for the naturalizing of David Stanniere. 2. L., committed.

An act for the naturalizing of Sir Robert Carr, kt. 2. L., committed. r. p.

An act to enable Sir Richard Lumley, kt., to sell divers lands for the payment of his debts and the preferment of his younger children. 3. L. This bill is now passed this House and came from the Lords. r. p.

[f. 173] Ordered, that the Merchants Adventurers shall attend the select committee of this House about the accommodating the trade of that company upon Monday afternoon.

An act to enlarge and make perpetual an act made in 70 Regis for the ease of pleading of justices of peace against such as vex them. 3. L. This bill is now passed this House. r. p.

An act for the naturalizing of Sir Robert Anstruther, kt., one of the Gentlemen of the Privy Chamber to the King's Majesty; Sir George Abercromby, late Gentleman of the Robes to the late Queen Anne; and John Craig, physician to the Prince: all these were born in Scotland. 3. L. This bill came from the Lords [sic] and is now passed this House.

An act to confirm the copyhold estates and customs of the copyholders and tenants of the manor of Stepney and Hackney according to a decree made in Chancery betwee[n] the Lord Wentworth and the tenants of those manors. 3. L. r. p. This bill is now passed this House as it came from the Lords [sic].

An act for the granting of 3 entire subsidies and 3 fifteens and tenths granted by the temporalty.

SIR EDWARD COKE would have us first appoint the number of the committees as 4 or 6. Then the persons of the committee should be named. And would have the Council of War named because by their warrant the money must issue, and that they should be sworn, and the oath expressed in this act that they shall issue the money shall be employed according to the intent of this act [f. 173v] of Parliament; and the acquittances given to those that shall be collectors or treasurers in this business should be enrolled because papers may be lost.

MR. [EDWARD] ALFORD would have a place set down where the collectors shall pay this money. That the treasurers or committees should be 8 in number, for some may die, but 4 of these to be enough to dispatch the business.

SIR JOHN ELIOT would have the chamber of London to be treasurers of these subsidies. They are always here resident, ever living, and well able to answer for the money which they shall receive or expend.

SIR E[DWIN] SANDYS had rather be sent to the Tower or pay £500 than to be one of the treasurers, for by it we make him obnoxious to the displeasure of the King and this state; and he hopes none sitting here has deserved so ill, for he must neglect all his own affairs and be tied to a continual residency here. He thinks it will be no dishonour to this House to name such others as are able men in or near this city.

Ordered, that this point concerning the naming of treasurers shall be debated and considered of by a committee of this House, and ordered that the Council of War shall be named in the bill, and the number of those that shall have acquittances, and the recompense that shall be allowed such as take pains herein.

This bill is committed to a committee of the whole House, to sit this afternoon.

[f. 174] MR. SOLICITOR acquaints us with heads of the pardon:

  • 1. That it should pardon all alienations without licence until 6th of October last because that day the Prince landed from Spain.
  • [2.] Ease concealed wardships from 25 Martii, 160 Regis.
  • [3.] Pardon of all concealed primer seisins, liveries and ouster-le-mains until 160 Regis.
  • [4.] Pardon the mis-suing of liveries and ouster-le-mains.
  • [5.] Where any incumbent has been in possession for 3 y[ears], a quare impedit shall not lie for the King.
  • [6.] That where before all businesses determinable by the spiritual courts were wont to be pardoned, now there are to be these exceptions, of adultery, simony, incests [sic] and heresy, but all other things pardoned that are determined in the ecclesiastical courts.
  • [7.] All old debts [blank]; fines in the Star Chamber which have been installed/

That the pardon shall be effectual against the King and all patentees whatsoever.

MR. SOLICITOR makes report of the King's answer delivered yesterday at Whitehall to our petition against recusants. Vide entre les papiers pour la ponse même.

24 Aprilis 1624, committee [of the Whole House] concerning the bill of subsidies

Mr. [John] Selden thinks the best precedent to lead us in the appointment of treasurers is that of 60 H. 4, when the treasurers were 2 only, and they were also the Council of War, but he leaves it to the wisdom of this House.

[f. 174v] Sir E[dward] Coke. That 31 E. 1 the treasury was robbed by a virtuous abbot and his mellowed monks; therefore, he would have the chamber of London the place for the treasury, which was never robbed, and would have some of the ablest Londoners to be of the number of treasurers, and Sir Baptist Hicks to be one of them.

Thought fit and resolved, by question, that the treasurers to be appointed to keep the subsidies and receive it from the collectors shall be particular men and not any corporation; the number of the treasurers are to be 8, viz.: Sir Thomas Myddelton, Alderman [George] Whitmore, Alderman [Ralph] Freeman, Sir Paul Bayning, Sir Richard Grobham, Mr. Martin Bond, Alderman [James] Cambell and Alderman [Sir Edward] Barkham. The place for the keeping of the money to be the chamber of London.

VII. DIARY OF SIR THOMAS HOLLAND, BODL., MS RAWL. D1,100

[f. 47v]

24 April, Saturday

[Blank]

The order of the House has been that after the Speaker is set no committee ought to sit.

[Blank]

[f. 48] SOLICITOR.

  • [1.] The pardon shall extend to all alienations without licence from until the 6th of October. It shall extend as well to lands seised as not seised to 60 October last.
  • 2. That it shall extend to all concealed wardships until the 25th of March, 16 Jac.
  • 3. That it shall extend to all concealments, liveries, ouster-le-mains until the 210 Jac.
  • 4. It shall extend to mis-suing of liveries and ouster-le-mains until 60 October last.
  • 5. That all the King's title to quare impedit of the church have been full 3 years either by lapse or collation.
  • [f. 48v] 6. For irregularity against ecclesiastical canons.
  • 7. That in former Parliament all proceedings in ecclesiastical courts were excepted generally; now there is excepted adultery, simony, schism, incest and heresy.
  • [8.] All old debts, accounts, arrearages of debts or accounts and fines in the Star Chamber that are installed until 10 Jacobi.

And that this shall be effectually against the King and all patentees.

The Council of War: [Viscount] Grandison, Lord Carew, [Lord] Brooke, [Lord Chichester of] Belfast, [Sir Edward] Conway, [Sir Edward] Cecil, [Sir Horatio de] Vere, [Sir John] Ogle, Sir Thomas Button, [Sir Robert] Mansell.

VIII. DIARY OF RICHARD DYOTT, STAFFORDSHIRE RECORD OFFICE, MS D661/11/1/2

[f. 87]

April 24

[?Moved] by [2 words illegible] whether in presenting the names of recusants that bear place of charge and trust, we shall only present the names of those that are inhabitants within the county or such likewise as are in authority in our county though not resident, as many great men are in commission, lieutenants, etc.

[?After,] resolved, upon question, that shall present all indifferently according to order.

[f. 88] Bill for 3 subsidies and 3 fifteens.

[SIR EDWARD] COKE would first have the number of the committees set down. We must know the persons that are the Council at [sic] War, to whom the money to be paid. Would have the Council of War that are treasurers sworn to employ the money. And that a good answer. [?Allowances] fit. Would have them have discharge by enrolment of acquittance, because otherwise may be lost. [?Led] to these things by former precedents.

[MR. EDWARD] ALFORD. Presentments to be made by neighbours. Place must be set down for collectors to attend.

[Resolved,] treasurers must only be of this House.

[f. 89] [SIR JOHN] ELIOT moved to have a corporation that has continuance to be treasurers, rather than particular men who die, dispersed in several places. And they need no allowance, etc.

[SIR EDWIN] SANDYS. I had rather be sent to the Tower for a year, fined to £500, than be a treasurer, for shall be forced to neglect own business, and obnoxious to state and self and posterity involved in perpetual mischief. Thinks it too great a burden. Would have some [illegible] Londoners, and 'tis no diminution of the liberties of House.

[SIR ROBERT] PHELIPS. To have it referred to a committee to examine it [?sedatuno].

Ordered.

[f. 90] SECRETARY CONWAY. King has made choice of a Council of War for assuring Ireland, assisting neighbours, etc. Lord Grandison, Lord Carew, Lord Brooke, Lord Chichester, 1 Secretary, [Sir] Edward Cecil, [Sir] Horatio [de] Vere, [Sir] Robert Mansell, Colonel [Sir John] Ogle, Sir Thomas Button, who to direct in matters of war.

Ordered, that to be named in bill.

All other points referred to committee of the whole House, because it concerns the [illegible] of the whole House.

[SIR JOHN] ELIOT would not have the committee in the morning for the subsidy but on some afternoon, for must look after the country that something may be done for them.

[f. 91] [MR. EDWARD] ALFORD would have Tuesday in the afternoon for the same reasons, etc.

[SIR FRANCIS] SEYMOUR. Our business goes on slow like the spring, and 2 or 3 days will not speed it. Let us begin this afternoon. We have thought on this before, therefore come not unprovided.

Ordered, that today a committee of the whole House for the bill of subsidies.

The King's answer to the petition of the Parliament exhibited 23 April 1624.

[f. 94v] SOLICITOR. The King does offer a large pardon, the heads whereof are agreed on by the Privy Council and [?are] these:

  • 1. Alienations without licence to relate to 6 October last [?past], the day [?that Prince returned] to us, and extends to lands seised as well as to not seised.
  • 2. Concealed wardships to 16 Jac.
  • 3. Concealed primer seisins, ouster-le-mains, liveries [?2 words illegible].
  • 4. Mis-suing of liveries etc. to 6 [illegible].
  • 5. Titles of qu[are] impedit by [illegible] etc. if incumbent in for 3 years.
  • 6. Irregularities against ecclesiastical canons.
  • [f. 95] 7. All offences punishable in the ecclesiastical court, except adultery, simony, incest, schism and heresy.
  • 8. Old debts, accounts, arrearages and fines in the Star Chamber not stalled to 1 Jac.
  • 9. This pardon to be of force as well against patentees as as [sic] the King.

[Afternoon, committee of the Whole House]

The house has chosen 8 citizens as most fit, by reason of their value and residence, to be treasurers of the money given by the Parliament. And they are these: Sir Thomas Myddelton, Alderman [George] Whitmore, Alderman [Ralph] Freeman, Sir Paul Bayning, Sir Richard Grobham, Mr Martin Bond, Alderman [James] Cambell, Alderman [Sir Edward] Barkham.

IX. DIARY OF JOHN PYM, NORTHAMPTONSHIRE RECORD OFFICE, FH/N/C/0050

[f. 79v]

April 240

The first part of the morning spent in private bills.

An act for ease of pleading in troublesome suits against justices of peace, etc. Passed.

An act for naturalization of Sir Robert Anstruther, Sir George Abercromby and Dr. John Craig. Passed.

An act to confirm the customary estates of the manor of Stepney according to indentures of agreement between the Lord Wentworth and the tenants of the same manor and according to a decree in the Chancery.

MR. [JOHN] CARVILE reported the bill for laying actions in the proper counties.

An act for 3 entire subsidies and three fifteens granted by the laity.

Before the committing of this bill, these things were propounded to be considered by the committee:

  • 1. Whether the Council of War should be named.
  • 2. How many of them should join in the warrant.
  • 3. The form of the oath to which they and the treasurers were to be sworn.
  • 4. The number of the treasurers and the men.
  • 5. For the collectors to make payment to them and their acquittance to be a discharge, and how that acquittance might be enrolled for their better security.
  • 6. How the account should be passed.
  • 7. The place for the collectors to make payment.
  • 8. Whether the treasurers should be charged one for another.

MR. SECRETARY informed the House that the King had thought of a Council of War, viz.:

Lord Grandison Lord Chichester Sir Horatio [de] Vere
Lord Carew Secretary Conway Sir Robert Mansell
Lord Brooke Sir Edward Cecil Sir John Ogle
Sir Thomas Button

The bill was committed.

MR. SOLICITOR. His Majesty takes notice of the forwardness of the bill of subsidy and has commanded a pardon to be made ready, with direction to enlarge it for to ease the subject according to these heads, more than has been in other pardons:

  • 1. Alienations without licence to relate to the 6th of October last, being the day of the Prince's arrival, and to extend as well [f. 80] where lands are seised as not.
  • 2. Concealed wardships until 25 Martii 160 Jacobi.
  • 3. Concealed primer seisin[s], livery [sic] and ouster-le-mains until xvi0.
  • 4. Not tendering livery [sic] and ouster-le-mains until the 6th of October last.
  • 5. Titles of q[uare] impedit by laps[e] before 3 years last past.
  • 6. All irregularities in respect of canons excepting heresy, schism, incest, adultery, fornication and simony, usury, since 200 December, and disturbance of prayer and preaching.
  • 7. Old debts, accounts, arrearages, fines in the Star Chamber before the beginning of his Majesty's reign, not levied or stalled and stalment paid.

This pardon to extend and be effectual as well against the patentees as the King himself.

MR. SOLICITOR reported the King's speech in answer to our petition for religion. His Majesty protested the sincerity and constancy of his profession in religion, his grief for the growth of popery and care to suppress it by all other ways but not by blood. A full promise of all that was desired, and some additions of his own, being sorry he was not the first mover. Especially commending the 2 last points, not to admit the mediation of foreign princes, nor any clause upon treaties for the Prince's marriage which might prejudice the execution of the laws.

It was wondered by some that in speaking of his own mildness he thus expressed it, that he was far from persecution because sanguis martyrum was semen ecclesiae, martyrs and persecution being relatives to truth and a good cause. Non poena sed causa facit martgem.

SIR JOHN ELIOT. That thanks might be presented to the Prince and by his mediation to the King. And that all together might join in a public thanksgiving to God.

This was uttered in a speech of some length and curiosity, but shortly diverted by a motion of SIR FRANCIS SEYMOUR.

Eodem die, post meridiem

At the committee [of the whole House] for the bill of subsidies these treasurers were chosen:

Sir Thomas Myddelton Sir Richard Grobham
Alderman [George] Whitmore Sir [sic] Martin Bond
Alderman [Ralph] Freeman Alderman [James] Cambell
Sir Paul Bayning Sir Edward Barkham

X. DIARY OF SIR WALTER EARLE, BL, ADD. MS 18,597

[f. 159]

Saturday, 24th of April

The bill of subsidy, second read.

Question moved touching:

  • 1. The number of committees.
  • 2. An oath for them to take.
  • 3. Their discharge and acquitting.

[f. 159v] SECRETARY CONWAY. The King has thought on a Council of War: Lord Grandison, Lord Carew, [Lord] Brooke, [Lord] Chichester, Secretary [Conway], Sir Edward Cecil, [Sir Horatio de] Vere, [Sir John] Ogle, [Sir Robert] Mansell, [Sir Thomas] Button.

MR. SOLICITOR. The King takes notice of our forwardness in the subsidy. He has taken order for a pardon, the heads whereof:

  • 1. All alienations without licence relating to the 6th of October last, extending to lands.
  • 2. Concealed wardships from March 25 in the 16th year of the King.
  • 3. All concealed primer seisins, liveries and ouster-le-mains before that time.
  • 4. Mis-suing of liveries and ouster-le-mains until 6th of October last.
  • 5. All titles of quare impedit in cases of the King's title before 3 years last past.
  • 6. All irregularities against ecclesiastical canons in eccles[iastical courts] except adultery, simony, incest, schism, heresy.
  • 7. All old debts and arrearages not stalled, etc., until first year of the King.
  • 8. All to be effectual both against the King and all patentees.

Report of the King's answer to the petition against recusants.

[f. 161v] SIR ROBERT PHELIPS. A great comfort to, etc., and a great disheartening to the contrary part. I doubt not but it will be followed with an active execution. In the report was left out part of the concluding point, that not only in [f. 162] case of treaty of the Prince's marriage, but in anything concerning his children or grandchildren, he would not suffer any more such conditions to be foisted in.

Saturday afternoon, the committee [of the Whole House] for the bill of subsidy

Question being moved who should be treasurers.

Sir Edward Coke. Not the chamber of London, for they are but a body politic. Nothing can be laid but on the goods of the corporation, which is but little. The Exchequer not so safe a place, for in 31 E. 1 there being £80,000 in the Exchequer, the abbot and his monks broke it up and took it away. Of opinion to have good citizens. One [John] Philpot that beat the pirates with 10 ships of his own, and Warner that killed Jack Cade.

Resolved by the committee to have particular persons, 8 in number: [Sir Thomas] Myddelton, [George] Whitmore, [Ralph] Freeman, [Sir Paul] Bayning, [James] Cambell, [Sir Edward] Barkham, [Mr. Martin] Bond, [Sir Richard] Grobham. The chamber of London to be the place.

XI. JOURNAL OF SIR SIMONDS D'EWES, BL, HARL. MS 159

[f. 107]

April 240, Saturday

The bill of subsidies read the 2nd time. Committed to the whole House.

Dispute about the treasurers to keep and disburse this [f. 107v] money: their number and quality, whether particular men or a corporation. London named among the rest.

The general pardon is hastened by the King and enlarged to be the greatest that has been since Elizabeth the First, as viz. these particulars added to the ordinary:

  • 1. Alienation.
  • 2. Concealed wardships from March 250 Jacobi 160.
  • 3. Primer seisins, liveries, mis-suing of liveries.
  • 4. All titles of quare impedit for 3 years voided.
  • 5. All irregularity for ecclesiastical canons and all faults against the spiritual courts, saving for adultery, simony, schism and heresy.
  • 6. All old debts, fines, etc., until Jacobi/
  • 7. To be effectual both against the King and all patentees whatsoever.

A report of the King's answer to our petition about Jesuits, seminaries and other popish recusants. Vide/

[Afternoon, committee of the Whole House]

In the afternoon the treasurers were nominated, as it was Henrici 4ti, anno 60:

  • 1. Sir Thomas Myddelton.
  • 2. Alderman [George] Whitmore.
  • 3. Alderman [Ralph] Freemen.
  • 4. Sir Paul Bayning.
  • 5. Sir Richard Grobham.
  • 6. Mr. Martin Bond.
  • 7. Alderman [James] Cambell.
  • 8. Alderman [Sir Edward] Barkham.

The place, the chamber of London.