House of Commons Journal Volume 1
12 March 1607 (2nd scribe)

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Jovis, 12o Die Martii, 1606

Committees.

CLOTHING: - To-morrow.

Cavendish: - This Afternoon.

Monday Morning, - Mounpesson.

Inmates, &c.

Added to the Bill of Inmates : Burgesses of Exceter, Knights of all Shires, Citizens of all Cities, Burgesses of the Towns and Universities of Oxford and Cambridge, Burgesses of all Port Towns.

Leather.

Leather-sellers : - This Afternoon.

Leave of Ab.

Mr. Roberts, Mayor of Poole, licensed to depart.

Fee to Clerk.

No Man to depart without paying the Fee to the Clerk; 6s. 8d.

Watermen.

In the Bill of Watermen, Counsel on both Sides to be heard To-morrow.

Weights.

1. Reading: - The Bill for the better Ordering and Directing of all common Weights and Balances in Market Towns.

Tompson's Estate.

The Bill for assuring a Jointure to John Tompson, &c. reported from the Committee, by Mr. Wentworth, with some Amendments. Amendments read; and, upon the Question, to be ingrossed.

Union with Scotland.

Sir Edw. Sandys maketh Report of the great Committee. - Not tending to a Proceeding, but a Review, for a Preparation to the Conference. -

The Form first, and then the Matter. The Lords did lately, in their Conference, wholly refer to the Instrument, yet would join with us. The Lords no Reply, therefore this House not to reply ; yet not a mere Audience. -

1. Matter of clearing of former Propositions, and the Ground :

Matter of new Additions, or new Propositions. -

Matter. -

Matter general: Particular.

What Persons: What Kind of Union: Impediments. -

Security on our Parts, for making Diversion in the Grant and Restraint. -

The Lords, in the last, waved Matter in Law; but other Matters in Equity. -

If the Lords urge Matter in Law, a Distinction. Resolved, to hear the Lords Reasons ; but not to yield, except the Lords would hold the Course of ante-nati, or post. -

Two Kinds of Union ; perfect, imperfect. -

Union in Law, in Government, in Privileges, &c. a perfect Union. -

To clear the wicked Imputation of the Opposition of the Lower House. - Divided Bodies, therefore imperfect Privileges. -

The Reservation of the Scotts: - The Cause of this reserved Proceeding in the Scotts. -

The Scotts Words of Reservation, in the Act, much differing from ours : Theirs in the Body, we in the Saving : Only a free Monarchy. - The Committees to maintain this Point. -

H. II. of France, granted a general Naturalization to all the Scottish Nation. -

The French King may naturalize any one by Letters Patents; a whole Nation, by Parliament. -

Between the King's Patent, and the Verification, a Time interceded. -

The Parliament, conditional, Quamdiu sub confederatione, obsequio, et obedientia Regis Franciae. -

The Word obsequium more than Obedience; a larger Extent. All petty States do subject themselves -

The Treaty, - in defect of that Line, such, as the greater and sounder Part of the Nobility should set up. An ill Confederation. -

Right. -

Our King, King of France. -

That, forasmuch as there was probable Colour on both Sides, they would do according to their Advantage. -

Present Usage. -

Confederation broken. A Frenchman Captain of the Scott. Guard. Scottish now get particular Naturalizations. -

French King hath a Captain of 100 Men in Scotland :

The K, second Son. -

In Monsieur Servoyn's Reports, in a Case, touching the Scotts, - That there is a certain Matter of Particularity, touching the Scotts, which they must not example to other Nations. -

Cautions. - So long as they stand divided in the Head, to divide the Privileges. Reasons to stand upon Security. As the Grant is liberal, so their Care should be great. -

Beneficial for the Scottish Nation. The stronger Security, the stronger Operation, if they desire it. -

To make them incapable, is to bind the Prerogative. -

A mannerly Kind of Prerogative. -

Restrictions to both ante-nati (that but a Generation) and post-nati. His Majesty's Word but to the post-nati. -

Restrictions, only till a perfect Union be made. -

Lands, Eccles. Offices, Honours, Trades.

1. If they remove [a] their Person, not their Perquisites:

2. That Men might have Remedy for them. -

How to restrain them. -

A Question, touching Jurors ; whether an Office of Judicature: To be bandied in the Point of Offices. To insist upon the former Reasons. -

Committees of Wards: That Point still to be insisted upon. -

2. Ecclesiastical Preferments. - A 10th Part, -

Many have Preferments, have incident Offices of Judicature ; therefore reserved expresly.

Masters of Hospitals. - The Founders Intent. - The Provision for our own not so large, as can be communicated. - Discourage other Founders.

Degrees and Dignities. - Education in our Universities will refine their Language. -

A Gleaning after the Harvest of the Committee's former Labours. -

Only a Clearing of the former Propositions. - Some Parts several, some in common.

France Naturalization, - Sir Henry Nevill, Mr. Carleton. The Disposing to themselves. -

Sir Ma. Berkley, Sir Edw. Sandys, Sir John Bennett, Mr. Alford, Mr. Brock, Sir Geo. Moore, Mr. Crewe, Mr. Hedley. -

The Report of the first Day's Conference, Mr. Hedley, Mr. Holt: Second Day's, Mr. Recorder, Mr. Hyde.

Inconvenience at Conferences.

A Motion, by Sir Geo. St. Poll, to have a Consideration of the standing, and being bare-headed, at Conferences.

This urged by Mr. Alford. - That seeing Conferences had been no usual Proceeding, but by Bill; that their Lordships would alter their Course, in giving Leave to sit, &c.

The Committee for Privileges appointed to consider of it, with these added : Mr. Alford, Sir Geo. St. Poll, Mr. Tate, Mr. Peak, Sir Tho. Holcroft, Sir Roger Wilbraham, Mr. Attorney General, Sir Roger Owen, Sir Antho. Cope, Sir Fra. Barrington, Sir Rob. Cotton: - To-morrow Morning.