House of Commons Journal Volume 2
19 January 1643

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 19 January 1643', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 2: 1640-1643 (1802), pp. 934. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=10981 Date accessed: 31 July 2014.


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Die Jovis, 19 Januari, 1642.

PRAYERS.

Suffolk Association.

A LETTER from divers of the Committees of Suffolk, from St. Edmund's-bury, desiring that the Knights of the Shire, and Gentlemen that serve for the County, may be sent down to further the Service of the Association in that County.

Ordered, That the Knights of the Shire, and the Gentlemen that serve for the County of Suffolk, do meet together, and consider whom they think fit to be sent down into that County, for the Service of the Association there, and report it to the House.

Scotch Army in Ireland.

Ordered, That the Muster Rolls sent from the Scotts Army in Ulster in Ireland, be referred to the Consideration of the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland, to consider of the said Muster Rolls; and to report to the House.

Goods stayed.

Ordered, That the Owners of the Goods stayed in the Waggons that were going to Oxford, and brought back by Order of the House, shall pay the Expences and Charges of bringing them back again.

Leave to visit a Prisoner.

Sir Wm. Drake has Leave to visit Mr. Denham, a Prisoner.

Importation of Currans.

Ordered, That the Commissioners and Collectors of the Customs do not permit the Importation of Currans into this Port: And that the Committee for the Customs do give speedy Notice to all the Officers of the Out Ports, or Dominion of Wales.

Proceeding against Crispe.

Ordered, That the Examination of the Business concerning Sir Nic. Crispe be referred to the former Committee appointed for that Business: And that he remain in Custody in the mean time: And that Mr. Beding feild and Mr. Glynn be added to this Committee: And that this Committee do prepare a Charge against him, for defrauding his Majesty and the Commonwealth.

Payment to Treasurer at War.

Ordered, That Sir Hen. Vaine do forthwith pay unto Sir Gilbert Gerard, Treasurer at Wars, Ten thousand Pounds, out of the Twenty thousand Pounds ordered to be paid him by the new Customers.

Customers Salary.

Resolved, upon the Question, That Ten thousand Pounds per Annum shall be allowed these new Customers for their Salary.

Clerks, &c.

Resolved, &c. That it be referred to the Committee of the Navy, to consider what Allowance shall be made to the Clerks; and to report it to the House.

Resolved, &c. That the Commissioners shall have the Power to Placing, Displacing, and Removing of their Clerks, Secretaries, and Deputy Collectors.

Resolved &c. That the Commissioners shall have Power to nominate Searchers, Waiters, Tidesmen, Noon Tenders, Watchmen, and all their Deputy Officers.

Resolved, &c. That these Officers thus nominated by the Commissioners shall be approved of by the Committee of the Navy;- This Question being propounded;

The House was divided.
The Noes went forth.
Mr. Strode, Tellers for the Noe, 35.
Mr. Long,
Mr. Hollis, Tellers for the Yea, 50.
Sir H. Vaine,
So that the Question passed with the Affirmative.

Collectors of Customs.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee for the Navy to receive the positive Answer of the Collectors of the Customs to the Articles and Directions presented from the Committee; and to report them to the House To-morrow Morning.

Propositions to the King.

Mr. Holles reports, from the Conference Yesterday had with the Lords, the Alterations and Amendments to the Propositions sent up from this House.

The first Alteration was a Clause altered in the Preamble: The which the House assented unto; with Two Additions: The first, After the Word "Parliament" and before the Word "and," insert these Words, "raised an Army against it; and by Force thereof protected Delinquents from the Justice of it;" The second, After the Word "Newcastle," add these Words, "and by making the Lord Herbert of Ragland, and other known Papists, to be Commanders of other great Forces."

The second Alteration was, these Words to be left out; viz. "All which several Courses of Forces and Violence have been the Causes of our raising and continuing Arms:"

To the Leaving out of which the House assented.

The next Alteration was touching the first Proposition, to be thus altered; viz. "That Your Majesty will be pleased to disband Your Armies; as we likewise shall be ready to disband all those Forces which we have raised; and that Your will be pleased to return to Your Parliament."

To this Alteration the House likewise assented, by Vote upon the Question.

The next Alteration was, in the Sixth Proposition, these Words to be left out; viz. "and be for ever disabled by Act of Parliament to bear any Office, or have any Employment, concerning the State or Commonwealth;" in regard that no particular Charge appears against them:

And as to this Alteration, the House resolved, by Vote, to adhere to their former Vote.

Mr. Holles farther reported, That concerning the Eighth Proposition, touching the Nomination of Judges, they desire a Meeting by a select Committee of both Houses: And that the Lords had named Six of their Members.

He farther reported, That the Lords do agree to the Declaratory Vote of this House, touching the Ordinance of the Militia, not to be invalided by the Proposition concerning the Militia.

The House considered no farther of the Propositions at this Time; but Ordered, That the House should, To-morrow, at Nine of Clock, resume the farther Consideration of them.

Payments to Treasurer at War, &c.

Ordered, by the Commons, That Sir Henry Vane junior, Treasurer of the Navy, do forthwith pay unto Sir Gilbert Gerard, Treasurer of the Wars, the Sum of Ten thousand Pounds, out of the Twenty thousand Pounds to be paid unto the said Sir Henry Vane, from the new Commissioners of the Customs: And the Receipt of the said Sir Gilbert Gerard, together with this Order, shall be a sufficient Discharge, upon Account, to the said Sir Henry Vane.

And it is further Ordered, That the Treasurers of the Subscriptions and Propositions in Guildhall, London, do pay out of the first Monies coming into their Hands, the Sum of Ten thousand Pounds, unto Sir Gilbert Gerard Knight, Treasurer of the Wars: Who is hereby ordered forthwith, upon the Receipt thereof, to pay the same unto Sir Henry Vane junior, Treasurer of the Navy; in lieu of the said Sum formerly paid by him out of the Twenty thousand Pounds received from the Commissioners of the Customs: And the Receipt of the said Sir Henry Vane, with this Order, shall be the sufficient Discharge unto the said Sir Gilbert Gerard, upon Account.

And it is further Ordered, That Sir Gilbert Gerard make no other Disbursements, till the Sum of Ten thousand Pounds be first satisfied; unless it be such Sums as are assigned to be returned, together with this Sum to my Lord General.