Cecil Papers
November 1594

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'Cecil Papers: November 1594', Calendar of the Cecil Papers in Hatfield House, Volume 5: 1594-1595. (1894), pp. 16-26. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=111632 Date accessed: 23 October 2014.


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November 1594

The Company of Merchants trading the East ports to Lord Burghley.
1594, Nov. 2.Have instructed their deputy to be a suitor for these things following.
That Burghley will consider a mandate from the King of Poland, served upon their company in Elbing, which their said deputy left with him some weeks past, and think upon some means whereby they may, by the Queen's protection, be kept harmless from the attempts of the Danskers to get commission from the King to arrest their goods for damages sustained by her Majesty's seamen.
To obtain letters in execution of their charter to some ports for receiving such duties as may be necessary for maintenance of the company, and for keeping their trade at Elbing without distraction to other places, which might be cause of great confusion, as set out in the enclosed petition.
The deputy not having been able to obtain access to Burghley owing to the pressure of business, they have thought it convenient to write this letter.
Endorsed :—“2 November, 1594.”
l p. (28. 110.)
Sir John Fortescue to Archibald Douglas.
1594, Nov. 2.Her Majesty having had some small indisposition caused by cold which now, thanked be God! is perfectly amended, being acquainted with your letters, finding some contrariety in the advertisements received from Scotland, hath willed me to pray you I may see those letters and significations you have from those parts whereupon your opinion is grounded; for she understandeth the King to have no resolution answerable to any agreement with the Earls, and that Angus is retired into the south parts of that country, Arrold by his hurts and overthrow brought into hard terms; and therefore is more desirous to understand of your knowledge and opinion, which I pray you I may have with your convenient speed. I send you back the letter to my lord Chamberlain, which you must send to Somerset house in Strand to be delivered unto him.—Richmond, 2 November, 1594.
Holograph. Seal. 1 p. (28. 111.)
James Douglas to William Dundas, Baron Fingask.
1594, Nov. 2.Has received his letters of October 30. Thanks him heartily for writing to him in Latin; wonders at his skill in that tongue, so far away from Latin books; is replying in the same language and hopes he will pardon his mistakes. Thanks him for the account of his journey and passage; has delivered the letters enclosed in his to those to whom they were addressed. Had dated his letter at the end 19 Cal. Nov. by mistake for pridie Id. Octobris, it being the 14th day of the month. No news except that there was a sharp skirmish some days ago between Argyle and Huntley, in which Francis Hay, Earl of Errol, was wounded, who had come with Huntley. Hopes no distance of space or time will injure their friendship. Salutes the most illustrious Earl, Bavard and the rest of his Warelling companions. Archibald Douglas left London October 15, was detained at Gravesend two days, but has now been at Hamburg some time, he thinks.—London, quarto Nonas Novembr : 1594.
Addressed : “Jacobus Douglassius VVillielmo Dundasso, Fingassiæ domino, S. P. D.”
Latin. Injured. 12/3 pp. (171. 29.)
The King of Scotland to Robert Bowes.
1594, Nov. 3.Notwithstanding of the manifold indignities done unto us by Francis, sometime earl Bothwell, in pursuing our life at our palaces of Holyrood House and Falkland, and in coming with displayed banner in the month of April last to our town of Leith, we remaining for the time within our burgh of Edinburgh (to which his treasonable attempts we are eyewitness), and last of all in joining in bond and society with the earl of Huntly and other his associates, enemies to God and the true religion, conspiring with them for inbringing of Spaniards (enemies to both the countries) for the overthrow thereof and the subversion of the said true religion, yet he and his complices privately lurks and are received upon the border of England; and, namely, James Douglas, sometime of Spott, and Mr. Thomas Cransoun, the two instruments whom he has chiefly used in composing of controversies betwixt him and the papist earls (and therefore the more to be hated of all good men), frequents openly in Werk, Twysell, Cornhill, and Brakanhill. The like whereof we would not suffer in our country, if any of our dearest sister's subjects offending in so high a degree as they have done should repair within the same. And, therefore, we will request you most effectuously that by your good means commission may be obtained for apprehending and delivering of the said James and Mr. Thomas, whereunto we think our dearest sister of duty is bound, seeing of their shameless defection and joining of themselves with the said papist earls, enemies to her and her estate, as well as to us. In doing whereof, you will do us most special pleasure.—Aberdeen, 3 November, 1594.
Addressed :—“To our trusty and wellbeloved Mr. Robert Bowes, Esquire, Treasurer of Berwick, ambassador for our dearest sister, the Queen of England.”
Endorsed :
“Aberdeen 3 November1594.”
London 18 ejusdem
Signed. 1 p. (133. 128.)
John [Whitgift,] Archbishop of Canterbury, to Sir Robert Cecil.
1594, Nov. 4.Begs him to further the despatch of the bishoprics as much as he can. Among the rest especially commends Mr. Redman for the bishopric of Norwich, according to her Majesty's determination, thinking him the worthiest man for that place. Would not wish any alteration from that which was set down, and therein the bishop of Llandaff was named to Exeter and Dr. Vaughan to Llandaff : but, if it shall please her Majesty to place Dr. Vaughan in Bangor (being something the better) and Dr. Morgan (who translated the Bible into Welsh) in Llandaff, she shall prefer two very worthy men, and the worthiest he knows for these two small bishoprics. Jo. Cantuar.—Lambeth, 4 November 1594.
Holograph. ½ p. (28. 112.)
Sir Henry Killigrew and Robert Beale, one of the Clerks of the Privy Council, to Roger Saunders, their deputy.
1594, Nov. 7Directing him to require Richard Edwardes, merchant selling oil in “Gracious” Street, one Cayne, a dyer, dwelling in Thames Street, one Giles Bottell, a stranger, dwelling beside the Stocks, one Martin le Mayre and Parker, dwelling besides Barking Church in the city of London, to be on Tuesday next, November 11, in the afternoon, at Sir Henry Killigrew's dwelling house beside the Conduit in Lothbury, as ordered by some of the lords of the Privy Council, for certain causes which shall be imparted unto them.—In London, 7 November, 1594, 36 Eliz.
Signed. 1 p. (171. 22.)
H. Maynard to Sir Robert Cecil.
1594, Nov. 8.I am scared with a message that hath been sent to me from Clapham by a man of mine that I have left there, that one of the Guard hath been at my house this day to see it, signifying her Majesty's meaning to drive there on Thursday next in her remove hither. If there be any such speech (as I hope their is not) I beseech you be a means to alter that purpose. For I may truly say to you I am not yet certain whether I shall agree for the house or not, the executors of D. Clarke, from whom I have my interest, and those of his widow, being in question about the same. I doubt not, by Lord Cobham's favour, being now the director of these removes as lord Chamberlain, and your good means in such sort as you can best devise the same, but to be rid of this fear.—Strand, 8 November, 1594.
P.S.—I doubt not but my lady will put to her helping hand herein. But if there should be no remedy, I must disclaim from being owner of the house.
This afternoon my lord hath signed and sealed my lord Lumley's book.
I have delivered your letters which this bearer brought.
1 p. (28. 113.)
Edward Suliarde to Sir Robert Cecil.
1594, Nov. 8.The hawk of Cecil's that he keeps has not yet come to the perfection he desires, but as far as her health and strength give leave, she shews great towardness. Sends a small show of a good hawk, but so few it may well show the barrenness of the country for game.—London, 8 November, 1594.
Signed. ½ p. (29. 1.)
Sir Horatio Palavicino to Sir Robert Cecil.
1594, Nov. 8.After the confession of that accomplice of Berghes, which I sent, it was resolved to examine him a third time, to learn if he could tell anything concerning England; but he could not, as by his examination you shall see. Count Philip has arrived in France and joined the Duke of Bouillon. On his way he routed three companies of the enemy's cavalry, whom he met by chance. Some say they have taken Bastagna, an unfortified place in Luxembourg. The countermanding of the journey of the Signer Wilks, and the occasion of it, was written hither by the Signor Carrone, and was very grateful to this government. From Italy I learn that Cardinal Allin was on the point of death, and that the Spaniards, since the withdrawal of the Turk's armada, were turning all their forces against Piedmont. The nobility of Lorraine are practising with the King of France to make him take arms against that part of Burgundy which obeys King Philip. That would be an action of great importance. They write from Italy that the fleet of West India was arrived in Spain : but it is not so.—The Hague, 8 Nov., 1594.
Italian. Hol. 1 p. (171. 23.)
William, Earl of Derby to Lord Burghley.
1594, Nov. 11.Entreats his favour on behalf of the bearer, Mr. Arderne, who desires to serve her Majesty, if his suit seem reasonable by his relation and letters; his brother and nephew (men of good account) “having been towards my father and brother.—My house in Channon Row,” 11 November, 1594.
Signed. ⅓ p. (29. 2.)
Thos. Edmondes to the Earl of Essex.
1594, Nov. 13.I now send your lordship the answer of Mons. Sancy to your letters, touching whom I was desirous to let you know that he doth here enjoy a very great fortune since the death of Mons. Do, having the chief administration of his charge, whereby he hath greater part than ever in the King's favour : in regard also that there resteth not such another opposite as Mons. Do was, and being of spirit concurring with the King and rendering himself wholly subject to his will, no man hath that voice in chapter, and through whose hands business do so much pass. This I signify to your lordship to the end you may consider how far there may be profit made of him, and that to that end, because he is of vain humour, loving to be courted, I may sometimes receive some good compliments from your lordship to entertain him withal. He hath told me three or four times, under greatest conjuration of secrecy, that he is in very great hope to get Calais into his hands; which though it be a matter of great unlikelihood, yet surely he may do great things if he be able to hold on his fortune in this course, against the which he hath many malignant enemies, much in respect of his monopoling (sic) credit, but more of his own purchasing, for that he is of incompatible humour, of hastiness and liberty, which he doth ill govern, to the discontenting of many. He promiseth to take upon him the care for the furnishing of [the] army with their pay, which is a promise of great merit.
I have received a letter from the Duke of Bouillon, wherein he signifieth to have met Sir Fra. Vere at the joining of the Count Philip's troops, of whom he reporteth much worth. He continueth his request for the changing of his Swiss into English, and prayeth me to send him often of your lordship's news, and how you do resolve touching Antonio Peres. I doubt not but by Mons. Sancy your lordsaip understandeth how it hath been advertised hither that a minister of her Majesty's should remain four or five days secretly hidden at Brussels, having conference with the Archduke. I told him it could be no other than the person who was sent to fetch Sir Thomas Wilks' safeconduct. That intended negotiation hath put us in very evil reputation here.
I have been oft importuned by Monsr. de Mouy to procure him knowledge from the Earl of Essex, whether the Queen would be pleased to assist him underhand with some means for th' executing of certain enterprises which they pretend to have upon some post towns in these parts : unto whom I have made answer that inasmuch as the deputies of the religion are here to press a resolution for the state of their condition, that I thought it were fittest to forbear that motion to the Earl, until it might appear by the answer that should be given them how it was meant to measure them; with the which I satisfied him. And now upon the said answer made he hath been again with me, and let me understand that although the said answer be so plausible as might seem to give contentment, yet, notwithstanding that, neither himself nor others do attend that there will follow execution thereof; and therefore he with divers other gentlemen have associated themselves in determination of resolution that upon occasion offered of the violating of the edict contrary to the present declaration, to put in practice to possess themselves of some good place, and therein to yield each other assistance, and in that behalf that their desire is to know whether they may assure themselves of aid from the Queen, if so [be that] upon the seizing of any place there shall be war made against them for the recovery thereof. I prayed him that there might be nothing precipitated, as well in respect that things are presently here in so good a course, as also for that I doubt our humours would not yet be brought to incline to such overtures; howbeit, that I would therein procure him your lordship's advice, which it may please you to signify to me, to satisfy him. He seemeth to have desire, if the Earl shall give them encouragement therein, to make a journey towards him under other colour, to take resolution with him thereupon. I send you herewith the copy of a former particular letter of mine, which hath reference to some things concerning the Duke of Bouillon, the which I understand miscarried by the drowning of the poor messenger that carried my packet. Herewith you shall also receive the copy of an epitaph made for Mons. Do, and another copy of verses written to the King, which I beseech your lordship, because of their subject, may remain only to your own view.—From St. Germain, 13 November, 1594.
[P.S.]—I have been desired to give the letters to Signor Antonio Peres' address under your lordship's name, that it may pass with the safer conveyance.
The underlined portions of the above letter are in cipher, but are supplied from a paper Endorsed : “Decipher of one of Mr. Edmund's letters,” wrongly dated 13 December 1594.
Holograph. 2 pp. (29. 3.)
1594, [Nov.] 13.—The Paper Endorsed : “Deciphre of one of Mr. Edmund's letters, Dec. 13, 1594.”
pp. (29. 37.)
M. de Sancy to the Earl of Essex.
1594, Nov. 13/23.II y a long temps que j'ai proposé eacute; d'emploier des Anglois au lieu de Suisses, tant pour la commodité eacute; que nous avons de remplir les compagnies, que pour ce qu'ils se laissent employer en toutes occasions, ce que ne font pas les Suisses. Mais le principale raison est que, les payant de nostre argent, j'estime que la Royne aura occasion de recognoistre la conflance que nous avons en elle, de licentier des Suisses pour nous servir de ses subjects. Monsieur de Bouillon m'escript qu'il y a pensé eacute; et approuvé eacute; ma proposition, et au lieu de mille Suisses que nous luy entretenons, desireroit fort avoir quinze cents Anglois. Je vous supplie me mander comment cette proposition aera receue de la Royne devant que la faire en nostre Conseil; mais si vous me faites savoir que la Royne le trouve bon, je ferai bien en sorte que nous vous en envoyerons acquerir. Ce sera un moyen pour avoir tousjours tant plus de forces en faveur de ceux de la religion sus pied.—De St. Germain, ce 23 Novembre, 1594.
Probably an enclosure in the previous letter. Holograph. 1 p. (171. 27.)
Vincentio de Vincenzo to [the Privy Council?]
[1594, about Nov. 13.]In my poor opinion the worshipful John Bassadonna should content himself, and now wax weary that by his procurement I have been kept in prison 22 months, during which I have suffered innumerable calamities, partly by sickness and weakness of my stomach, partly by torments occasioned by my last leg broken out now above a year past into a disease almost incurable, and lastly hath been the only occasion that I have not only lost the poor means I had to maintain myself, but all the friends I had obtained within this realm have utterly forsaken me, for all the which God forgive him, without giving me to understand all this while the cause of these insupportable miseries, or what he did pretend thereby, until this present, which I now understand by the articles delivered me by you. Whereunto I answer that I have lived eight years within this realm under the gracious government of her Majesty, with such duty as behoveth towards her Highness, her laws and subjects, without committing any criminal offence. My humble suit is to your honours that, considering the course of my life here hath been such as I have declared, that may be granted me which was never yet denied to any stranger, viz., liberty to answer according to the common laws of her Majesty, as every one living under her protection within this her realm are bound, and not otherwise, without being compelled contrary thereunto by any extraordinary means; being agreeable as well to justice as to the good laws of this land.
Endorsed :—“Vincentio his answer to the Signor Bassadona.”
Unsigned. 1 p. (171. 25.)
Vincentio de Vicenzo.
[1594, about Nov. 13.] A list of 10 questions to be put to Vicenzo di Vicenzi, commencing as follows :—“1. If Vicenzo di Vicenzi, sent to prison in London by Signor Gio. Basadonna, is Ottavio di Negri; or who is he? 2. If Ottavio Negro, why did he abandon his post whilst there was as yet no suspicion against him?” The other questions relate to money transactions between 1584 and 1587.
Endorsed :—“A note of Signor Bassadona.”
Italian. 1 p. (171. 26.)
Vincentio de Vincenzo.
1594, Nov. 13.“The answer of Vincent de Vincenzo, 13 November, 1594, to the articles presented against him by the right worshipful John Bassadonna.”
1. To the first, confesses he is Octavian Negro, son of Vincent Negro, citizen of Venice, having changed his name to save his life when forced to absent himself from Venice in 1586, for causes declared in the second article, to live quiet though miserable, having lost goods, country, wife, and children.
2. To the second, being indebted to divers merchants for certain sums and not having to pay, did not go to the Office 9 December, 1586, and next day commission was given by the Office to seal up whatever he had in his house, so he was forced to absent himself, being banished according to the laws of the Signiory of Venice.
3. To the third, no man persuaded him to fly.
4. To the fourth, the Supervisors and Providiors of the Office of Corn know that before he absented himself, John Maria di Nadalino confessed before 1 hem he had examined with him the account of the bills for the charges spent, delivered him to write with the Cassier in the Journals, amounting to a great sum; that they did agree, and the accounts were found just and even; and a day or two afterwards he with malicious intent required Vineenzo to examine an old account of parcels which were bought before, whereof he was satisfied, and Vincenzo accompanied him when he might have chosen [not], and thereupon he made some difficulty which was most false, for all the money past was allowed and made good.
5. To the fifth, at the time mentioned in this article, was in England, having come to London 9 August, 1587.
6. To the sixth, did never receive any such parcel, neither had charge to handle any money at all; those are copies of parcels to be written, and not being written are nothing, and the money remains in the Office.
7. Was scontro, and his journal ordinarily remained in the office with himself, and that of the cassier remained with the quadernier, with a great book that was at all times carried to the office of the tre savii sopra la revision de Conti when they called for it, therefore could not conceal the same, as is supposed.
8. To the eighth answer as in the sixth.
9. Did not receive those parcels, his charge not being to handle or receive any money but only to write, and therefore has not committed any fraud or deceit therein.
10. Has neither been aided nor consulted with any other whatsoever.
Unsigned. 12/3 pp. (171. 24.)
The Low Countries.
1594, Nov. 26.“A brief note of the weekly payments to her Majesty's forces in the Low Countries, for two months beginning the second of October 1594, and to end the 26th of November next following.”
The items are for “Counsell of Estate, officers of the field, officers of Flushing, officers of Briell, Horse bandes, Foot bandes, 8 bands that came from Normandy, and extraordinary payment. Sum of 8 weeks' charges, 7857l. 17s. 4d.”—Signed, “Thomas Sherley.”
pp. (29. 6.)
Sir Robert Cecil to Thomas Thacker, servant to Mr. Longford.
1594, Nov. 26.Whereas you brought me a message from Mr. Longford, when the Court lay at Greenwich last, assuring me that he would sell me all his estate in the Hoghe, whereof Sir Wm. Hatton had the reversion, for 1750l. at the first wood, assuring me further that I should not need to doubt to go on with my bargain with Sir Wm. Hatton, which then I told you was upon conclusion; forasmuch as hereupon I have gone through, and now do find by a letter from Mr. Longford that this was more than you had commission, which seemeth to me very strange considering that he spake the same to others; let him know that I do look to be better satisfied than to be thus juggled withal by him or by you, and therefore do require him to make his repair hither upon this my sending to him in courtesy, which if he shall forbear or trifle with me in, I know some better reason to fetch him up in another manner; and to the intent he may the better believe you, you shall do well to shew him this under my hand.—Written at my house in the Strand, 26 November, 1594.
Copy unsigned. ½ p. (29. 7.)
“N. G.” to Sir Robert Cecil.
1594, Nov. 27Finding the care and most religious respect that your father and your honour beareth in the things I tendered to your considerations, I though it my duty to make known unto you that most of the lands so drawn from the Crown are not in their nor their heirs' possession who first committed the offence, but are since transferred over to sundry persons, purchasers thereof, at the true worths; who, albeit they be faultless, yet must herein be punished by the loss of the things as though they had been the offenders, and how that may agree with that most Christian regard of your honour for the carriage of these actions, I am not nor dare to deem or judge. If in pitiful charity you shall not be willing to have these persons proceeded against, or if proceeded against not to take that which is due, it may be I shall come short of the proportion promised. My desire is to carry myself to your contentment.—27 No[vember], 1594.
Signed :—“N. G.”
Endorsed :—“Mr. Jeff to my master.”
1 p. (29. 8.)
Foulke Greville to Sir Robert Cecil.
1594, Nov. 27.At your being at Sudeley you gave me leave to pray your favour when I had occasion. I am called to answer a complaint exhibited against me to the Privy Council by Sir Thomas Leighton. The matters are such, if they were true, as touch my credit very near, but I thank God I am innocent, and if I have displeased him it is in doing my duty to her Majesty; and because God hath visited me that I am not able to attend their lordships, I have answered in writing. Be a mean to your father (on whom I only rely to be protected in doing my service to her Majesty) that either I may have the cause speedily examined before their lordships, or by some, by them appointed, that may make report according to the truth. This much I entreat the rather that I hear Sir Thos. Leighton is going down into the country and would defer the matter till next term, until which time I would be very loth my credit should bang in suspense. I doubt not but my answer would manifest the matters so on both sides as there shall need no further trial.—27 November, 1594.
Signed. Seal 1 p. (171. 28.)
Richard Young to [the Queen].
1594, Nov. 30.I acknowledge myself so much bounden unto your sacred Majesty as I think no subject in the world more infinitely beholden unto his Sovereign, in that in these my aged and extreme or last days it pleaseth you so favourably to respect the weak estate of so poor a vassal, weakened in body with infirmities, but so much revived in heart with your gracious remembrance of me, that I trust in the Almighty He will lengthen my days and strengthen my body to go forward in your service for the safety of your most royal person and the advancement of your droits and revenues.
I do hereby signify unto your Highness that according to your commandment I have made collection of such examinations and matters as concern your service, and put them into a chest safely sealed up, the key whereof I herewithal present unto your Highness, with this brief notice of some of the special matters contained therein.
First (because the matter is now in question) there are examinations, notes and letters touching Mr. William Wiseman of Braddockes, now prisoner in Wood Street Compter, and Mrs. Jane Wiseman, his mother, for harbouring, receiving and maintaining Jesuits, seminary priests, and other dangerous persons to your Majesty and the State, viz. John Gerard alias Tanfield alias Staunton, a Jesuit now prisoner in the Clink, son to Sir Thomas Gerard; Scudamore alias John Wiseman the priest, son to Sir John Scudamore; Brewster and Chapman, priests, and Robert Barrowes, priest, now prisoner in the Clink; all which is confessed by Frank, servant to Mr. Wiseman, and sufficiently proved by many other circumstances. His brother Thomas is a Jesuit at Rome, four of his sisters sent beyond the seas to be nuns, of whom two went over with Scudamore, and all his other brethren and family most obstinate papists, all which appears by their several examinations which I have made known to some of your Privy Council and your counsel learned in the laws : who were determined to have proceeded by law in this last term if God had been pleased to continue my health. It appeareth also by the confession of Mr. Wallpoole, now prisoner in the Tower, that all persons coming from beyond seas for any evil purpose were directe I to Mr. Wiseman, by whom they should be furnished with horses, men and money to go whither they would. Of late I have, upon search made, found divers letters with Mrs. Wiseman written to him, her and others from Gerard the Jesuit since his imprisonment, and also other notes and letters manifesting what great sums of money have been offered, and would have been paid, for the liberty and release of Mr. Wiseman.
There are also examinations and other matters concerning Mrs. Jane Shelley, prisoner in the Fleet, who hath gone about to sorcerers, witches and charmers, to know the time of your Majesty's death and what shall become of this state : also the confession of Christopher Dryland, priest, prisoner in Wisbeach, touching the conspiracy of Nevill, now prisoner in the Tower, with Dr. Parry against your Highness, which two persons received the sacrament upon it at the hands of Thomson alias Blackborne, priest, executed 9 or 10 years past, and were dissuaded from their purpose by the said Dryland; together with certain other examinations concerning suspicion had of Nevill since his being in the Tower, the copy whereof I lately delivered to my Lord Treasurer. Also, matters touching Mr. Palmer of Kegworth and most of the papists in the several shires of this land, the confessions and examinations of many other priests, some of which have been executed, others remain prisoners in Wisbeach, and others are reformed, manifesting the names and dwellings of such as are your Majesty's domestical enemies, and the conspiracies of such as are abroad in foreign countries. There are also examinations of a practice in breaking the Fleet, and deceits of custom in Mr. Burd's time, with many other notes, writings and papers. Such as they be, gotten with my great pains and expenses, I leave them to your Highness as the last fruits of all mine endeavours.—Written the last of November, 1594.
Signed. 1 p. (29. 9.)
The Earl of Essex to Sir R. Cecil.
1594, Nov.The Queen told me that I should confer with my lord your father and my Lord Admiral of some matters of importance which my Lord Admiral should acquaint me further with. This is the cause that I desired to speak with you in, not to know what it is, but when the two lords do appoint to confer of it. The Queen said she would have us meet very secretly and in your house, whither she directed me to come. I pray you, therefore, speak with my Lord Admiral and known when he will be there, for, as I take it, my lord your father will be at home all this week.
Endorsed : November, 1594.
Holograph. 2/3 p. (29. 10.)