Die Lunæ, 20 Decembris, 1641.
THO. Bates did witness, that one H. Walker did
make a Book, intituled, A terrible Outcry against
the loytering exalted Prelates; and that he does daily
make Books ejusdem farinæ.
Resolved, upon the Question, That one H. Walker
shall be sent for as a Delinquent, by the Serjeant at Arms
attending on this House, for being Author, as it is
affirmed, of the Pamphlet, intituled, A terrible Outcry
against the loytering exalted Prelates: And the Making
and Printing of this Book, and other Books, made by
the same Author, is referred to the Committee for
Printing: The which Committee is revived as to this
2davice lecta est Billa, An Act for the present Disarming
of Romish Recusants, and, upon Question, committed..
*Law. Whittacre, Sir Walth. Erle, Sir Arth. Haselrig,
Mr. Whitehead, Sir H. Anderson, Mr. Hebblethwayte,
Mr. Cawley, Sir Ro. Coke, Sir Edw. Deering, Mr.
Wheeler, Mr. Rowse, Sir Sam. Owfield, Mr. Sam. Browne,
Sir Edw. Hungerford, Sir Jo. Holland, Sir H. Mildmay,
Mr. Serjeant Wilde, Mr. Cromwell, Mr. Hill, Mr. Holland, Mr. Whitlock, Mr. Waller, Sir Sam. Rolle, Mr.
Cary, Mr. Corbett, Sir Jo. Evelyn, Sir Arth. Ingram,
Sir Ra. Hopton, Sir Ro. Pye, Mr. Green, Mr. Pury,
Mr. Peard, Serjeant Euers, Mr.Solicitor, Mr. Maynard:
And are to meet To-morrow at Eight of Clock, in the
Inner Court of Wards.
vice lecta est Billa, An Act for a speedy Contribution towards the Relief of the poor distressed Protestants,
lately driven out of Ireland, by reason of the Rebellion
2da vice lecta est Billa preædicta; And upon Question,
committed unto the Committee for the Bill of Recusants;
And are to meet upon this Bill likewise To-morrow at
Eight of Clock, in the Inner Court of Wards; with the
Addition of these following; Mr. Rowse, Mr. Vassall,
Mr. Whittlock, Sir Sam. Rolle, Sir Arth. Ingram, Sir
Tho. Bowyer, Sir Ro. Pye, Mr. Morley, Mr. Strode, Sir
Edm. Montfont, Mr. Waller, Sir Ro. Coke, Sir Tho.
Barrington, Sir Samson Eueres, Mr. Hebblethwayte.
Obstructions to subscribing Petition.
Mr. Perd reports from the Committee appointed to
consider of the Obstructions in subscribing Hands to the
London Petition, last presented to this House,
1. "That the Lord Mayor said, they were either
ignorant or idle People, that did subscribe it:"
2. "That they did not know into what Danger they
3. "That it tended to Mutiny."
"For Mr. Recorder, he said,"
1. "They did deserve to be disfranchised: That they
did not know into what Danger they had run themselves.
And, Reading of the Petition, when they came to that
Part of it that declared the Common Council the Representative Body of the City, did desire the Removal of
Bishops and Papists Lords from the Lords House; Mr.
Recorder swore by, &c. That it was a Lye: And said
further, That this Petition did tend to Sedition, and to
set Men together by the Ears: And, being told it was
for Peace; No, said he, it is for Blood, and Cutting of
Throats; and, if it come to Cutting of Throats, thank
yourselves; and your Blood be upon your own Heads:-
That this Petition would rather confirm Episcopacy, than
otherwise; and that he hated a Papist, and detested
"The Committee having received this Information, and
having Power, by their Order, to send for Parties, commanded me to know the Pleasure of this House, in what
manner they would have the Lord Mayor and Recorder
sent for; whether to the House or to the Committee."
The House would make no further Order herein; but
left the Committee to put their former Order in Execution, according to the Power therein given them.
Mr. Perd reported further, "That there were Two
Persons sent for to the King's Attorney Serjeant Glanvile,
and Serjeant Whitfeild: Who had this Question asked
them; Whether they knew or heard, that some of the
King's Counsel should say, That some of the King's
Subjects Throats should be cut. The Committee desires
to know the Pleasure of the House herein."
Ordered, That Sir Samuel Roll, Sir Rob. Cooke, Sir
Walter Earle, and Mr. Strode, do repair to the King's
Attorney, Serjeant Glanvile, and Serjeant Whitfeild; and
desire to know of them, whether they did not ask some
Persons Questions; whether any of the King's Counsel,
or any other should say, that there would be cutting of
Throats are long, or to that Effect; and the Grounds
wherefore they asked that Question; and to report the
same to this House.
King to be attended.
A Message from the Lords, by Baron Henden and
The Lords sent us with this Message; to acquaint this
House, that his Majesty will give Answer to the Petition
concerning the Privilege of Parliament, this Afternoon,
Protestation by Members.
Resolved, upon the Question, That, in no Case, a
Protestation ought to be desired by any Member of this
House, or admitted by this House, being desired.
Ordered, That the House be forthwith resolved into a
Committee, to consider of the Bill for Raising of Four
hundred thousand Pounds, according to former Orders.
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.
Treaty with Scotland.
Sir Philip Stapleton offered, from the Scotts Commissioners, a Paper of this Day's Date: Which was read
in hæc verba:
"IT is now Twenty Days since we came hither, and a
Fortnight since we began this Treaty; and there is not
yet One of our Propositions answered: Therefore, lest
those that sent us, and expect an Answer from us against
the Eighth of this Month, should impute it to us, we
earnestly desire and expect an Answer to our Propositions given in, that we may give in the [Answer], and be
at a Point this Day, or To-morrow: And, in case of
further Delay, we demand, that since the Eighth of
this Month, (at which time we should have sent Answer
into Scotland) to the End of the Treaty, we may have
Entertainment for the Two thousand Five hundred Men
we have kept up for this Service; otherwise we must send
into Scotland, that they may be disbanded.
Besides the Message ordered on Saturday to be sent up
by Mr. Hollis, he was commanded to desire a Conference
by a Committee of both Houses, concerning the Declaration; and concerning a Paper now sent from the Scotts.
The latter End of the Message appointed on Saturday,
was altered: And the House left Mr. Hollis to deliver
the Message, according to the Sense of the House now
Mr. Chillingworth, a Prisoner in the Tower, by Order
of this House, his Petition was this Day read: And
thereupon it was.
Resolved, upon the Question, That Mr.Wm. Chillingworth, now a Prisoner in the Tower, by Order of this
House, shall be forthwith discharged from any farther
Imprisonment; and that Mr. Speaker shall issue forth
his Warrant to that Effect.
A Petition exhibited by divers of those Ministers who
subscribed it, was this Day read.
The Petitioners were called in: And Dr. Burgesse, in
the Name of the rest, did desire, that it might not be
under-valued for the Paucity of the Hands; in regard
they might have more Hands, but that many of the Ministers; now against Christmas, are at their particular Charge.
The Petitioners were again called in: And Mr. Speaker
told them, "That this House takes in good Part your
general Care for the Good of the Church; and believe
what they say for the Having of more Hands: The Businesses of this House are, at this time, very great; and
that, with all convenient Speed, they do resolve to take
your Petition into particular Consideration.
Mr. Hollis brings Answer, That their Lordships will
give a present Meeting at a Conference, by a Committee
of both Houses: And, touching the other Particulars
of the Bill; and the Treaty with the Scotts; they will take
them into due Consideration, with all convenient Speed.
Mr. Pym, Mr. Hollis, Sir Philip Stapilton, are appointed Managers of this Conference.
The humble Petition of Wm. Earl of Salisbury read: And
Ordered, That the Committee for the Forest of Deane
do take into Consideration the said Petition and Desire of
the said Earl.
Ordered, That Captain Lloyd shall have a Month's Pay,
according to the Rate agreed upon by this House, advanced unto him by the Chamber of London, out of the
Monies lent by the City for the Affairs of Ireland.
Message from the Lords, by Sir Rob. Riche and
That the Lords had appointed the Committee of their
House, for the Declaration concerning Ireland, to meet
with the Committee of this House, at such time as the
House shall think fit; to agree of the Manner of the
Entry and Framing of these Propositions.
A Declaration * * * *
Answer returned by the same Messengers; that this
House has taken their Lordships Message into Consideration; and has resolved, that the Committee shall
presently meet, if it shall be desired.
Ordered, That the Committee for Irish Affairs shall
meet with the Committee of the Lords, about the Dispatching away of Sir Simon Harcourt's Men.
This House doth well approve of the Propositions
made from the Committee for Irish Affairs, concerning
a Commission to be directed to certain Persons, upon
Instructions to be agreed upon by his Majesty, and both
Houses of Parliament; and have ordered, that the
Committee for Irish Affairs shall prepare Instructions
accordingly; and present them to the House To-morrow
A Message from the Lords, by Sir Ro. Rich and
The Lords have appointed, that their Committee
shall meet with the Committee of this House, concerning the Matter of the last Message, To-morrow at Nine
Answer returned by the same Messengers;
This House has taken their Lordships Message into
Consideration; and has resolved, that the Committee of
this House, shall meet with the Committee of the Lords
To-morrow, at Nine of Clock, in the Painted-chamber,
as is desired.
Ordered, That the Committee appointed for the
Declaration concerning Ireland shall propound to the
Committee of the Lords, the Propositions concerning
the Proroguing or Dissolving the Parliament of Ireland;
and concerning the Government of Ireland.
Sir Ro. Harley went to the Lords with this Message:
To desire their Lordships to give Power to their Committee, to treat with the Committee of this House, concerning the Parliament in Ireland, and concerning the
Government of Ireland.
Mr. Strode is to go to the Lords with this Message:
To desire their Lordships, that they will not resolve
upon a Recess before acquainting this House first therewith; and this House will not resolve upon a Recess
without first acquainting * *
Ordered, That the Committee for the Bill of Emanuell
College shall be revived, as to the Business concerning
Mr. Hodges; and shall sit on the Third of Jan. next, at
Two post meridiem, in the Star-chamber: And have
Power to send for Parties, Witnesses, Writings, and
Ordered, That the House do take into Consideration,
To-morrow peremptorily, the Matter concerning the
Militia of the Kingdom: And Mr. Speaker is to put the
House in mind thereof.
Exceptions to Members' Words.
Ordered, That such Words as have been spoken by
any Members of this House, unto which Exceptions
have been formerly taken; and likewise, that the Information formerly given in against Mr. Venn; shall be
taken into Consideration, at such Time as this House
shall think fit.
Sir Ro. Harley brings Answer, that the Lords will
give Power to their Committee to receive the Two Propositions from the Committee of this House, concerning
the Government of Ireland; and concerning the Parliament in Ireland: They will likewise not resolve upon a
Recess, before they first acquaint this House therewith.
Person to attend.
Ordered, That the Under Sheriff of Northumberland
do appear here To-morrow Morning, to attest the Information . . . .
Ordered, That the House shall be resolved into a
[Committee] To-morrow at Twelve of Clock, to proceed
with the Consideration of Raising of Monies, according
to former Orders.