House of Commons Journal Volume 3
29 August 1644

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 3: 29 August 1644', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 3: 1643-1644 (1802), pp. 610-611. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=1134 Date accessed: 26 July 2014.


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Die Jovis, Augusti 29, 1644.

PRAYERS by Dr. Wincopp.

Hunks' Petition.

ORDERED, That the Petition of Mrs. Frances Hunks, Wife of Captain Hercules Hunks, now Prisoner at Belvoir, be referred to the Committee where Mr. Pelham has the Chair; for the present Relief of the Petitioner.

Sheriff of Chester.

An Ordinance for enabling and authorizing Henry Brooke Esquire, High Sheriff of the County Palatine of Chester, (fn. a) to perform and execute the said Place and Office, was this Day read the First time.

Sheriff of Bucks.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth nominate and approve of Henry Beake Esquire, to be High Sheriff of the County of Bucks: And that Sir Heneage Proby, formerly appointed Sheriff by both Houses shall be discharged.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Sheriff of Derby.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth nominate and approve of Sir Geo. Gresley Knight and Baronet, to be High Sheriff of the County of Derby.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired he . . . .

Ordination.

The House being informed, that divers Divines of the Assembly were at the Door;

They were called in: And Mr. Doctor Burgesse, in the Name of the rest, acquainted the House, "That the Assembly (which they humbly desired of this House) have considered of the Ordinance directory, and do humbly present it to the House; and give humble Thanks to the House, for vouchsafing them the Favour to consider of them."

"They do make it their humble Desire to this House, that this Ordinance being but directory pro tempore, that therefore the nominating of Persons may be respited, till you agree upon the Work."

"In the next place, they do humbly offer their own Paper of Amendments, in reference to every Page sent to them; and also, they do present, in one Body, a Frame of the Whole together; submitting it to the Wisdom of the House, to be disposed of as you shall please. The first is attested; the latter is not."

The humble Advice and Requests of the Assembly of Divines, touching Ordination pro tempore, were read.

The Divines of the Assembly were again called in: And Mr. Speaker acquainted them, That the House do find the Matters, presented by them, to be Matters of great Consequence; and that they will speedily take them into due Consideration.

Trial of Waller, &c.

It is this Day Ordered, by the Commons House of Parliament, That whatsoever Letters, Papers, Evidences, Depositions, or other Examinations, that are either in the Clerk's Hands, or any other Committees or Members of this House, that concern either Mr. Waller, Sir Jo. Hotham, or his Son, or Sir Alexander Carew, shall be delivered to the Judge Advocate of the Court Martial: to make use of at the Trial of the said Persons: And that the Commissioners of the Martial Law shall have Power to examine such Witnesses as they shall think fit, though they be the Members of the House.

Deputy Lieutenants of Suffolk.

Resolved, &c. That Tho. Bacon and Jo. Hodges Esquires shall be Deputy Lieutenants for the County of Suffolk: And that the Lords Concurrence be desired herein.

Ordination.

Resolved, &c. That the humble Advice and Requests of the Assembly of Divines, touching Ordination pro tempore, this Day presented to the House, shall be presently taken into Consideration.

Message to Lords.

Mr. Nicoll carried up to the Lords, The Messages appointed by him to be carried up on Monday last; and likewise, the Order for referring the carrying on the War in Ireland to the Committee of both Kingdoms; The Ordinance for enlarging the Quorum in the Ordinance for Martial Law; The Names of the Sheriffs of Bucks and Derbyshire; The Names of the additional Deputy Lieutenants of the County of Suffolk.

Answer.

Mr. Nicoll brings Answer, That the Lords do agree to all the Messages and Orders carried up by him; except to the Ordinance concerning Shipping; and the Ordinance for referring the carrying on the War in Ireland; they will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Ordination.

The House proceeded to the Consideration of the humble Advice and Requests of the Assembly of Divines, touching Ordination pro tempore: And, after Consideration had of the particular Alterations, presented this Day from the Assembly, to the Directory for Ordination of Ministers in the City of London pro tempore, lately sent unto the said Assembly by this House, the First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Seventh, Tenth, Eleventh, Twelfth, and Thirteenth Alterations, were, by Vote, upon the Question, assented unto: And

It is Resolved, upon the Question, That, in the Eighth and Ninth Alterations, touching the Addition of these Words, "Ordinance of Christ and;" and of these Words, "let him exhort and charge the People, in the Name of God, willinglly to receive and acknowledge him as a Minister of Christ; and to obey and submit unto him, as having Rule over them, in the Lord; and to maintain, encourage and assist, him in all the Parts of his Office;" be re-committed to the Assembly of Divines; to set down the Reasons why they desire these Words to be inserted in these Places.

And whereas the Assembly of Divines did present their humble Desires, that this House would vouchsafe to mention the Advice of the Assembly of Divines in such Place of the Directory, and in such Words, as to their Wisdom shall seem meet; It is agreed to.

"That this honourable House would please to . . . . . their said Directory for Ordination these Directions following:"

I. "He that hath been formerly ordained a Presbyter, according to the Form of Ordination, which hath been held in the Church of England, and is to be removed to another Charge, to bring to the Ministers appointed to ordain for that County where he is to be placed, a Testimonial of his Ordination, and of his Abilities and Conversation: Whereupon his Fitness for that Place whither he is to be removed, shall be tried by his Preaching there, if it shall be judged necessary by a further Examination; and so, without any new Ordination, he shall be admitted, if he be approved as fit for that Place." It is agreed to.

II. "If any Person ordained a Minister in Scottland, or in any other reformed Church, be designed to a Congregation in England, he is to bring from that Church, to the Ministers appointed to ordain for that County where he is to be placed, a sufficient Testimonial of his Ordination, of his Life and Conversation while he lived with them, and of the Causes of his Removal; and to undergo such a Trial of his Fitness and Sufficiency, and to have the same Course held with him in other Particulars, as is set down in the Rule immediately going before, touching Examination and Admission." It is agreed to.

XVI. "That a Proportionable Number of Presbyters, according to the Extent of each County, be appointed in the several Counties which are at the present quiet and undisturbed, for the Ordaining of Ministers for those Counties;" It is agreed to; with the Addition of these Words, "to be approved by the Houses," next after the Word "Presbyters."

XVII. "That the present Directory for Ordination pro tempore be no Prejudice to the humble Advice of the Assembly, touching the Doctrine or Directory of Ordination of Ministers in the ordinary Way formerly sent up to the honourable Houses of Parliament;" Nothing was done upon it.

XVIII. "That it be provided, that all Presbyters who shall be ordained according to this Directory, shall be for ever reputed and taken, to all Intents and Purposes, for lawful and sufficiently authorized Ministers of the Church of England; and, as capable of any ministerial Employment in the Church, with the Rights and Profits belonging thereunto, as any other Presbyters whatsoever, already ordained, or hereafter to be ordained;" It is agreed to.

XIX. "That all Presbyters who shall be appointed and authorized to ordain, and shall, according to this Directory pro tempore, ordain any Presbyters, be declared to do an acceptable Service in this Church and Kingdom; and have the Protection of both the honourable Houses of Parliament for their Indemnity."

Mr. Rous and Mr. Tate are appointed to acquaint the Assembly of Divines with what hath this Day passed the House, upon their Advice and Desires this Day presented, touching the Directory for Ordination of Ministers in the City of London, pro tempore.

Letter to Lord General.

A Message from the Lords, * * * * .

The Lords have appointed a Committee of Five (whereof Two to be of the Quorum) to prepare a Letter to be sent to my Lord General, to thank him for his Fidelity to the Kingdom; and desire this House to appoint a Committee of a proportionable Number, to meet this Afternoon, at Three of the Clock, in the Prince's Lodgings.

Mr. Solicitor, Sir Benj. Rudyard, Mr. Reynolds, Sir Tho. Widdrington, Mr. Grimston, Sir John Coke, Sir Christofer Yelverton, Mr. Prideaux, Sir Anthony Irby, Mr. Wheeler;

This Committee, or any Four of them, are appointed to meet with a Committee, of a proportionable Number of the Lords, this Afternoon, at Three of Clock, in the Prince's Lodgings, to prepare a Letter to be sent to my Lord General, to thank him for his Fidelity to the Kingdom.

Message from Lords.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Edward Leach and Doctor Heath;

The Lords have returned a Declaration upon a former Ordinance concerning Surprisal of Ships; which they agreed unto, with the Amendments sent down.

They have likewise sent down a Petition from the Lady Drummond, desiring that she may stay a little before she be removed from Whitehall; and that she may have a Pass to go beyond Sea with her Children.

The Amendments to the Declaration were read; and assented unto.

As to the Petition, they will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Answer.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House has considered their Lordships Message; and, as to the Amendments to the Declaration upon the Ordinance concerning Surprizal of Foreign Ships, they do agree: As to the Petition of the Lady Drummond, they will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Provisions for Army.

Ordered, That besides the Order on Tuesday, made for the Issuing of Two thousand Pound of my Lord General's Money, in Victuals and Provisions, that Sir Gilbert Gerard do issue out One thousand Pounds more of the said Monies, in Provision for the Army, and for Freight and Mills.

Military Correspondence.

Mr. Browne reported from the Committee of both Kingdoms, a Letter from my Lord General, of the 23d of August, to the Committee of both Kingdoms: Which was read;

Another Letter from Colonel Lieutenant Middleton was read, of Augusti 25 1644, at Charde;

Another from Colonel Browne, at Abbington, of the 26th of August;

Another from Sir Wm. Waller, at Farnham, the 28th of August;

Another from the Committee of both Kingdoms to Colonel Browne, of the 26th of August.

Irish Affairs.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee of both Kingdoms, to receive the Propositions from the Munster Gentlemen, for the present Dispatch of the Lord Inchiquin's Regiment thither.

Weekly Assessment.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee appointed to draw an Ordinance for the Assessment of Eighty thousand Pounds for Ireland, to bring in an Ordinance to lay a weekly Assessment on the whole Kingdom, of the Sixth Part of the Assessment 3 Augusti 1643; with Addition of Five hundred and Fifty Pounds a Week upon the City of London, &c. This to be brought in, with all possible Speed.

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