House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 28 May 1624

Veneris, 28o Maii

Earl of Middlesex.

Earl of Middlesex' Bill, - presently, in the Court of Wards. - Ordered, upon Question.

Yorke-house.

Mr. Solicitor reporteth the Bill for Yorke-house, with Amendments, ready brought in Paper; which thrice read: And the Bill thirdly read.

After very long Debate, the Question being put, and the Voice doubtful, the House divided:

Tellers for the Yea: Mr. Comptroller, Sir Geor. More,

- for the Noe. Sir Jo Savyle, Mr. Wandesford.

Seven, being retired into the Committee Chamber, and refusing to give Voice one Way or other, were sent for, and their Names taken, and the Resolution stayed, till those, which were gone out, returned.

With the Noe, 143.

With the Yea, 168. -

Difference. 25.

Usage in the Fleete.

Resolved, The Orders of the Lords of the Council, for the Usage in the Fleete, shall be observed till the next Session.

Bastards.

The Amendments, in the Bill for Murthering of Bastards, Passed.

Fines, &c.

The Proviso, in the Bill for levying Fines, &c. in others Names, passed.

Grievances.

Agreed, Mr. Solicitor shall present the Grievances to the King this Afternoon, with Thirty; viz. Mr. Treasurer, Mr. Comptroller, Mr. Secretary Calvert, Mr. Secretary Conway, Mr. Chancellor Exchequer Sir Edw. Coke, Sir Geor. More, Sir M. Fleetewood, Sir H. Carye, Sir H. Mildmay, Sir Wm. Spencer, Sir Tho Barrington Sir Geor. Manners, Sir Ro. Pye, Mr. Bond, Sir Wm. Fleetewood, Lord Cavendish, Sir N. Rich, Mr. Chancellor Duchy, Sir Tho. Hatton, Sir Guy Palmes, Sir Francis Barrington, Lord Wriothesley, Sir Ro. Mansell, Sir Ro. Coke, Mr. Fetherston, Sir Cl. Throckmorton, Sir Tho. Wentworth, Sir James Perrott, Mr. Pymme, Mr. Hackwell.

Mr. Solicitor trusted with the Preamble, which left to his Discretion. Mr. Hackwyll and Mr. Solicitor to make the Report.

Ditto.

Sir Edw. Sands, Mr. Farrer, Sir. Tho. Escort, Mr. Lister, to examine the Grievances for Trade.

Mr. Alford, Mr. Stoughton, Sir Tho. Denton, Sir Wm. Pitt, to examine the other.

Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker to be here again this Afternoon.

Earl of Middlesex.

Earl of Middlesex' Bill re-committed. Sir Ro. Harley, Knights and Burgesses of Middlesex, Sir Tho. Denton, Sir Tho. Escort, Sir Francis Barrington, Mr. Gewyn, Sir Wm. Fleetewood, Mr. Rich. Spencer, Mr. Knightley, Sir H. Mildmay, added to this Committee.

Veneris, 28 Maii

Earl of Middlesex.

Mr. Solicitor reporteth the Bill of the Earl of Middlesex, with Amendments.

The Amendments thrice read, and then the Bill 3ly read.

After long Debate upon the Bill, with these Amendments, upon Question, the Voice doubtful:

The Yea went out :

Tellers for the Yea, - 125.

Tellers for the Noe, - 89. - Passed.

Earl of Middlesex.

Sir Edw. Sands delivereth in the Complaint against the Lord of Middlesex, concerning Oppressions, to be kept in the House : Which was read in the House.

Patent.

The Patent to be delivered in again to the Trinity-house.

Bp. of Norwich.

Mr. Pymme to collect the Proceedings against the Lord of Norwich, and to bring it in To-morrow Morning.

Courts of Justice.

Sir Ro. Phillippes to deliver in to the Clerk, To-morrow Morning, all the Petitions to the Courts of Justice.

Petitions to be kept by Clerk till next Sessions.

Ordered, That all Petitions, of what Kind soever, exhibited in Parliament, shall be delivered in to the Clerk,to be safely kept till the next Sessions; without Dishonour to them, against whom they are preferred, or Prejudice or Molestation of the Petitioners, who preferred them; for that, by reason of many weighty Occasions, the House of Commons could not, at this present, examine the same.

Upon a Petition -

Bills to be delivered to Clerk.

Ordered, That all, that have any Bills in their Hands, shall bring and deliver them in to the Clerk To-morrow, sedente Curia: And this Order to he set up To-morrow Morning within the Door.

Poor.

The Bill for the Poor, to be committed to Mr. Noye his Care, to be framed against next Session.

Haverforwest.

Mr. Glanvyle reporteth, for Haverforwest: - Resolved, to stand in statu quo, till next Session. - Resolved now. -

Member to serve, tho' outlawed.

For Ferdinando Huddleston, Knight for Cumberland; resolved, he may serve, notwithstanding he be outlawed [a]. - This also now resolved, upon Question. -

East Retford Election.

For East Retford; Mr. Darcy returned, and Complaints about it. He now dead, Complaints about the Election. Resolved by the Committee, to let this rest till next Session. -

Pomfrett Election.

For Pomfrett, Two Points: 1. Who the Electors.; - Resolved by the Committee, there being no Charter, nor Prescription, for Choice, the Election is to be made by the Inhabitants, Housholders, Resiants. - Resolved also so now, upon the Question. -

2. That the Committee also of Opinion, in respect the Poll demanded, though interrupted by Beamont, yet the Poll not being pursued, the Choice of Sir Jo. Jackson void, and a new Warrant to issue for a new Choice. -

Winchelsey Election.

For Winchelsey; Mr. John Finch being newly elected, the Question - Weyman, an intruding Mayor, disfranchised divers. - Resolved, the Election and Return of Mr. John Finch good. -

Pembrokeshyre Election.

For Pembrokeshire; the Election not questioned; but a Desire to have the Misdemeanor punished. But resolved by the Committee, they, admitting the Election, should not question the other. Resolved so here, upon Question: And Sir James left at his Liberty to take his Remedy, for the Misdemeanors of the adverse Party, elsewhere. -

Pardon; Conference desired.

The Bill of Pardon carried up by Lord Cavendish; who brought word, the Lords desired a present Conference, about the Bill of Pleading in the Exchequer. And Exceptions being taken, this ought not to have been done by our Messengers, but their own; Resolved.

Privilege.

. . Mascolle, a Servant to Mr. Cholmeley, a Member of this House, Committed by Mr. Horton; saying, Mr. Cholmeley not worthy to be a Member of this House. -

Ordered, A Warrant to be made by Mr. Speaker, for enlarging Mascall; and a Warrant for Horton to be brought hither To-morrow Morning. -

Cambridgeshyre Election.

For Cambridgeshyre; Scholars, and Fellows of Houses, and Parsons, Vicars, &c. came, and gave Voices for Knights of the Shire. - Resolved, no Scholars, or Fellows of Colleges, Halls, &c. having no other Freehold, ought to have Voice in Election of Knights of the Shire. - Resolved, upon Question, as at the Committee supra: - Nor are to have any hereafter.

2. Resolved, the Scholars, or Fellows, having Chambers above 40 s. yearly Value, giveth no Voice in Elections. - Nor are to have any hereafter. -

He, that hath a Chamber, cometh not in by Livery and Seisin, nor by Deed enrolled: No Assise lieth: The Freehold of it is in the Corporation: His Fellowship, like Wages, and Dyet, given a Servant.

3. Resolved, Parsons, and Vicars, &c. ought to have no Voice in Election of Knights of the Shire, - Resolved, also, upon Question: - Nor are to have any hereafter. -

Newcastle under Lyne Election.

A Petition exhibited 25o Maii, upon a new Election for Newcastle under Lyne in Staffordshyre: - Mr. Keeling against Mr. Glemham. - Hath attended with his Witnesses:

Could not proceed, for want o Time. - Resolved, Mr. Keeling may, if he will; may proceed at the next Session, if he will. -

Felt-makers.

For the Felt-makers Petition; they attended, but could not be heard. - This also to stand in the same Plight at the next Meeting.

Stewart's Election.

Resolved, upon Question, That the Election of Mr. Francis Stewart void in Law; and a new Writ to issue for a new Choice.

Persons to attend, &c.

Resolved, Sir Rich. Lydall, Molle, Farrar, and . . Beale, Sir H. Yelverton's Man, to be warned to be here To-morrow Morning, to give their Consents to the Delivering of the Bonds unto them, and to their Cancellation.

Alienations.

The Lords, upon the Conference, returned, they were contented to pass the Bill of Pleading of Alienations, with the Amendments passed by this House, without the Proviso; but that, they having passed the Proviso there, they could not pass the Bill without it: Therefore, if we would begin a new Bill, without the Proviso, according to the former Amendments, they would pass it.

Whereupon a new Bill was presently drawn, with the former Amendments, and without the Proviso; which twice read.

L. 1a. L. 2a. Upon first Question, not to be committed. Upon second Question, to be ingrossed.

L. 3a. The same Bill thirdly read, and, upon Question, passed.