House of Lords Journal Volume 13
15 March 1677

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 13: 15 March 1677', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 13: 1675-1681 (1767-1830), pp. 73-75. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=11439 Date accessed: 28 August 2014.


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DIE Jovis, 15 die Martii.

REX.

Domini tam Spirituales quam Temporales præsentes fuerunt:

His Royal Highness the Duke of York.
Arch. Eborac.
Epus. London.
Epus. Durham.
Epus. Winton.
Epus. Sarum.
Epus. Petriburgh.
Epus. Rochester.
Epus. Norwich.
Epus. Ely.
Epus. Bristol.
Epus. Gloucester.
Epus. Bath & Wells.
Epus. Chester.
Epus. Bangor.
Epus. Chichester.
Epus. Landaff.
Epus. Lync.
Epus. Exon.
Dux Cumberland.
Ds. Cancellarius.
Ds. Thesaurarius Angl.
Ds. Custos Privati Sigilli.
Dux Albemarle.
Dux Monmouth.
Marq. Winton.
Marq. Worcester.
Marq. Dorchester.
L. Great Chamberlain.
Comes Marescallus Angl.
L. Steward.
Comes Oxon.
Comes Kent.
Comes Derby.
Comes Huntington.
Comes Bedford.
Comes Dorset.
Comes Bridgwater.
Comes North'ton.
Comes Westm'land.
Comes Manchester.
Comes Berks.
Comes Mulgrave.
Comes Rivers.
Comes Dover.
Comes Petriburg.
Comes Sunderland.
Comes Scarsdale.
Comes Clarendon.
Comes Cardigan.
Comes Bath.
Comes Craven.
Comes Aylesbury.
Comes Powis.
Comes Guildford.
Comes Midd.
Vicecomes Conway.
Vicecomes Stafford.
Vicecomes Fauconberg.
Vicecomes Hallyfax.
Vicecomes Newport.
Ds. Berkeley.
Ds. Stourton.
Ds. Sandys.
Ds. Windsor.
Ds. Eure.
Ds. Paget.
Ds. Chandos.
Ds. Petre.
Ds. Arundell W.
Ds. Tenham.
Ds. Grey W.
Ds. Lovelace.
Ds. Maynard.
Ds. Coventry.
Ds. Howard Esc.
Ds. Herbert Ch.
Ds. Leigh.
Ds. Hatton.
Ds. Byron.
Ds. Vaughan.
Ds. Carington.
Ds. Colepeper.
Ds. Bellasis.
Ds. Gerard B.
Ds. Wotton.
Ds. Cornwallis.
Ds. Delamer.
Ds. Fretchvile.
Ds. Arundell T.
Ds. Butler M. P.
Ds. Duras.
Ds. Grey de Roll.

PRAYERS.

(fn. *) The Earl of Berks and the Lord Grey of Rolleston have Leave to visit the Four Lords who are Prisoners in The Tower, for One Time.

The Marquis of Worcester and the Earl of Powis are added to the Committee for the Bill concerning Sheriffs.

Message from H. C. for a Conference about stopping the French King's Progress in The Netherlands, &c.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Henry Capell and others:

To desire a Conference, concerning the Subject-matter of the last Conference.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this House will give a Conference; and appoints the same to be presently, in the Painted Chamber.

Report of the Conference.

The same Lords which managed the last Conference are appointed to report this intended Conference.

The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the Lords went to the Conference; which being ended, the House was resumed.

And the Lord Steward reported the Effect of this Conference; which was:

"That this Conference was managed by Mr. Powl; who said, The House of Commons conceive, that the Nature of the Address sent up to their Lordships is such, being for the Preservation of His Majesty and His People, that it can leave no Room for His Majesty to doubt of such Assistance as the Safety of the Kingdom shall require.

"The House of Commons do not agree with their Lordships in the First Amendment, for adding the Words ["and in Sicily"] after the Word ["Netherlands"] in the 14 Line; nor in the Second Amendment, for adding the Words ["and Sicily"] in the 22th Line, after the same Word.

"The Reasons of the Commons not agreeing with the Lords in their Amendments of adding these Words ["and in Sicily"] are,

"1. The Address, mentioning the Danger from the Growth and Power of the French King, the Commons conceive, doth in these general Words comprehend not only Sicily, but any other Part (although not particularly named) where His Majesty's Prudence shall think fit that dangerous Growth should be restrained.

"2. The special Mention of Sicily would seem to put less Weight upon the Preservation of The Spanish Netherlands, the Conservation of which the Commons conceive to be of much more Moment to His Majesty's Kingdoms than that of Sicily; for, though it may be of great Importance to our Trade, that Sicily be not in the Hands of the French King, yet the Safety of His Majesty's Kingdoms is not so immediately endangered thereby, and therefore ought not to be equally insisted upon.

"Therefore the House of Commons hope their Lordships will agree with them in the Address as it was first brought up."

ORDERED, That this House agrees with the House of Commons in the Address, as it was first brought up; the Tenor whereof follows:

Address to the King, to stop the Progress of the French King in The Spanish Netherlands.

"May it please Your Majesty,

"We Your Majesty's most loyal Subjects, the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and the Knights, Citizens, and Burgesses, in Parliament assembled, find ourselves obliged, in Duty and Faithfulness to Your Majesty, and in Discharge of the Trust reposed in us by those whom we represent, most humbly to offer to Your Majesty's serious Consideration, That the Minds of Your Majesty's People are much disquieted, with the manifest Danger arising to Your Majesty's Kingdoms by the Growth and Power of the French King, especially by the Acquisitions already made, and the further Progress likely to be made by Him, in The Spanish Netherlands; in the Preservation and Security whereof, we humbly conceive, the Interest of Your Majesty and the Safety of your People are highly concerned.

"And therefore we most humbly beseech Your Majesty to take the same into Your Royal Care and to strengthen Yourself with such stricter Alliances as may secure Your Majesty's Kingdoms, and preserve and secure the said Netherlands, and thereby quiet the Minds of Your Majesty's People."

ORDERED, That the Lords with the White Staves present this Day do attend His Majesty, to know what Time He will please to appoint for both Houses to wait on Him, to present Him with this Address.

Message to H. C. that the Lords agree to it;-and that they have sent to the King, to know when He will be attended with it.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Baron Berty and Justice Scrogs:

To let them know, that this House agrees with the House of Commons in the Address to His Majesty concerning The Spanish Netherlands, as it first came up.

2. To acquaint them, that the Lords have sent to the King, to know what Time He will please to appoint both Houses to wait on Him, for presenting Him with the said Address: And as soon as their Lordships have Knowledge of it, they will acquaint them with it.

The Committee for Privileges are to meet on Monday next, in the Afternoon.

Bedell's Bill.

Hodie 2a vice lecta est Billa, "An Act for the vesting of certain Manors and Lands of Edward Bedell, of Wood-rising, in the County of Norff. Esquire, on certain Trustees, to be sold, for Payment of his Debts."

ORDERED, That the Consideration of this Bill is committed to these Lords following:

L. Steward.
Comes Huntington.
Comes Bedford.
Comes Dorset.
Comes Bridgwater.
Comes Berks.
Comes Dover.
Comes Scarsdale.
Comes St. Alban.
Comes Clarendon.
Comes Bath.
Comes Craven.
Comes Aylesbury.
Comes Powis.
Vicecomes Stafford.
Vicecomes Fauconberg.
Vicecomes Hallyfax.
Vicecomes Newport.
Epus. London.
Epus. Durham.
Epus. Winton.
Epus. Rochester.
Epus. Ely.
Epus. Gloucester.
Epus. Bath & Wells.
Epus. Bangor.
Epus. Chichester.
Epus. Landaff.
Epus. Exon.
Ds. Berkeley.
Ds. Sandys.
Ds. Windsor.
Ds. Paget.
Ds. Chandos.
Ds. Lovelace.
Ds. Maynard.
Ds. Herbert.
Ds. Hatton.
Ds. Byron.
Ds. Vaughan.
Ds. Ward.
Ds. Carington.
Ds. Gerard B.
Ds. Wotton.
Ds. Delamer.
Ds. Fretchvile.
Ds. Grey Rol.

Their Lordships, or any Five of them; to meet To-morrow, at Nine of the Clock in the Forenoon, in the Prince's Lodgings; and to adjourn as they please.

(fn. *) ORDERED, That Monsieur St. Evremond hath Liberty to visit the Four Lords who are Prisoners in The Tower, for One Time.

Samyne and Cowper's Bill.

Hodie 2a vice lecta est Billa, "An Act for the raising of Money, to pay the Debts of John Samyne and Cecill Cowper Esquires."

ORDERED, That the Consideration of this Bill is committed to the same Committee as the Bill concerning Edward Bedell is.

Williams's Bill.

Hodie 2a vice lecta est Billa, "An Act to enable Sir Trevor Williams Baronet, and his Four Sons, to make Jointures to their respective Wives."

ORDERED, That the Consideration of this Bill is committed to these Lords following:

L. Steward.
Comes Huntington.
Comes Bedford.
Comes Dorset.
Comes Bridgwater.
Comes Berks.
Comes Dover.
Comes Scarsdale.
Comes St. Albans.
Comes Clarendon.
Comes Bath.
Comes Craven.
Comes Aylesbury.
Comes Powis.
Vicecomes Stafford.
Vicecomes Fauconberg.
Vicecomes Hallyfax.
Vicecomes Newport.
Epus. London.
Epus. Durham.
Epus. Winton.
Epus. Rochester.
Epus. Ely.
Epus. Gloucester.
Epus. Bath & Wells.
Epus. Bangor.
Epus. Chichester.
Epus. Landaff.
Epus. Exon.
Ds. Berkeley.
Ds. Sandys.
Ds. Windsor.
Ds. Paget.
Ds. Chandos.
Ds. Lovelace.
Ds. Maynard.
Ds. Herbert Cher.
Ds. Byron.
Ds. Carington.
Ds. Gerard B.
Ds. Delamer.
Ds. Fretchvile.
Ds. Grey de Roll.

Their Lordships, or any Five of them; to meet on Saturday next, at Nine of the Clock in the Forenoon, in the Prince's Lodgings; and to adjourn as they please.

Bill for further securing the Protestant Religion.

Hodie 3a vice lecta est Billa, "An Act for further securing the Protestant Religion, by Education of the Children of the Royal Family therein, and providing for the Continuance of a Protestant Clergy."

The Question being put, "Whether this Bill shall pass?"

It was Resolved in the Affirmative.

Protest against it.

Dissentientibus,

"Oxford.
James.
Dorchester.
Peterborow.
NorCH & Marshall.
Stafford.
Howard E. of Bercks.
Tho. Culpeper.
Cha. Grey de Rolleston.
Anglesey: For many weighty Reasons; which, in humble Deference and Submission to the major Vote by which the Bill was carried, I forbear to enter particularly.
Huntingdon.
J. Frescheville.
J. Lovelace.
Will. Petre."

Serjeants at Arms attending this House recommended to have an Allowance.

Upon reading the Petition of His Majesty's Sixteen Serjeants at Arms; shewing, "That, according to His Majesty's Command, they have by Turns attended this House (while sitting) ever since the Year 1661, for which His Majesty was pleased to grant a Privy Seal for Allowance of Ten Pounds apiece to them for each of the Five First Sessions of this Parliament, but without any Effect, other than Charge to them; and therefore pray the Favour of this House, in recommending their said Services to this Time to His Majesty, for an Allowance for the same:"

It is thereupon ORDERED, That the Lord High Treasurer of England be, and is, desired from this House, to recommend to the King's Majesty's Grace and Favour, the Care of the said Sixteen Serjeants, as it is set forth in the said Petition.

King to be attended with the Address.

The Lord Steward acquainted the House, "That the Lords with the White Staves have attended His Majesty, to know His Pleasure, when both Houses may wait upon Him, to present Him with the Address for Preservation of The Spanish Netherlands; and His Majesty hath appointed To-morrow, at Three of the Clock in the Afternoon, in the Banqueting House at Whitehall, for that Purpose."

Message to H. C. about it;-and with the Bill to secure the Protestant Religion.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Baron Berty and Justice Scrogs:

To deliver them the Bill for further securing the Protestant Religion, and desire their Concurrence thereunto.

2. To acquaint them, that His Majesty hath appointed To-morrow, at Three of the Clock in the Afternoon, in the Banqueting House at Whitehall, for both Houses to wait upon Him, to present the Address for Preservation of The Spanish Netherlands.

(fn. *) The Earl of Midd. Earl Westm'land, Lord Delamer, Sir Vere Fane, and Mr. Sheppard, have Leave to visit the Four Lords Prisoners in The Tower, for One Time.

Adjourn.

Dominus Cancellarius declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque in diem Veneris, 16um instantis Martii, hora decima Aurora, Dominis sic decernentibus.

Hitherto examined by us,

Dorsett.
J. Bridgewater.
Dover.
Clarendon.
Craven.
Stafford.
Vaughan.
Byron.

Footnotes

* Sic.