House of Lords Journal Volume 37
December 1783 1-10

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December 1783 1-10

DIE Martis, 2o Decembris 1783.

Domini tam Spirituales quam Temporales præsentes fuerunt:

Archiep. Ebor.
Epus. Exon.
Epus. Bristol.
Vis. Stormont, Præses.
Dux Richmond.
Dux Chandos.
Comes Hertford, Camerarius.
Comes Salisbury.
Comes Sandwich.
Comes Abingdon.
Comes Abercorn.
Comes Ferrers.
Comes Spencer.
Viscount Sackville.
Ds. Osborne.
Ds. Chedworth.
Ds. Thurlow.
Ds. Rodney.

PRAYERS.

The Earl of Mansfield sat Speaker by virtue of a former Commission.

King's Answer to Address.

The Lord Chamberlain reported, "That the Lords with white Staves, had (according to Order) waited on His Majesty with their Lordships' Address of Wednesday last for the Copies therein-mentioned, and that His Majesty was pleased to say, "He would give Directions accordingly."

American Trade, Papers relative to; delivered.

The Lord Viscount Stormont laid before the House (pursuant to an Address to His Majesty on Wednesday last) "Copies of Orders in Council issued in pursuance of an Act of the last Session for the better carrying on Trade with America," together with a List thereof. Which was read by the Clerk, as follows: (videlicet)

No. 1. "Copy of His Majesty's Order in Council for permitting Oil, or unmanufactured Goods and Merchandizes being the Growth or Production of any of the Territories of the United States of America, imported directly from thence in British or American Vessels to an Entry upon Payment of the like Duties, as if imported by British Subjects in British Ships, from any of the British Islands or Plantations in America and no other, notwithstanding such Goods may not be accompanied with the Certificates, or other Documents heretofore required by Law. Dated 14 May 1803."

2. "Copy of His Majesty's Order in Council for permitting certain Goods therein enumerated to be imported from America, by British or American Subjects, upon Payment of the same Duties as if imported by British Subjects in British Ships, notwithstanding such Goods may not be accompanied with the Documents heretofore required by Law, also for allowing Tobacco, the Produce of America to be imported in like Manner, and the Duties, excepting the Old Subsidy, to be bonded. Dated 6th June 1783."

3. "Copy of His Majesty's Order in Council for regulating the Commerce between His Majesty's West India Islands and the Territories of the United States of America. Dated 2d July 1783."

4. "Copy of His Majesty's Order in Council for permitting the Bonds taken by the Direction of several Acts of Parliament for Ships clearing out to or from His Majesty's West India Islands to be cancelled and discharged upon Certificate, from the proper Officers of any Port or Place within the United States of America to which such Ship shall go. Dated 5th September 1783."

5. "Copy of His Majesty's Order in Council for allowing the Importer of Tobacco from the United States of America into the Ports of London, &c. mentioned in the Order to give Bond for Payment of the Old Subsidy, as well as of the further Duties. Dated 5th November 1783."

6. "Copy of His Majesty's Order in Council directing that the Allowance for Payment of the Duties for which Bonds have been or shall be entered into, upon the Importation of Tobacco from the United States of America into the several Ports mentioned in His Majesty's Order in Council of the 5th Instant, shall not be construed to extend to the making any Allowance upon Payment of the Duty commonly called the Old Subsidy, and for extending the Liberty given by the said Order to Tobacco imported into the Port of Port Glasgow. Dated 19th November 1783."

Ordered, That the said Copies do lie on the Table.

E. Spencer takes his Seat:

This Day George John Earl Spencer sat first in Parliament after the Death of his Father John Earl Spencer; his Lordship having first at the Table taken the Oaths, and made and subscribed the Declaration, and also taken and subscribed the Oath of Abjuration pursuant to the Statutes.

Pedigree delivered.

Garter King at Arms delivered in at the Table his Lordship's Pedigree pursuant to the Standing Order.

The House being informed, "That Mr. Morton Secretary to the East India Company attended;"

He was called in and delivered at the Bar, pursuant to the Orders of this House, on Wednesday last;

Government of India, Papers relative to, delivered.

"Papers relating to the Government of the East India Possessions;" together with a List thereof. Which was read by the Clerk as follows; (videlicet)

Papers agreeable to the 9th, 10th, and 12th Paragraphs of an Order of the House of Lords, dated 26th November 1783, marked No. 1

Papers agreeable to an Order of the same Date, 2."

Ditto ditto 3.

Ditto ditto 4.

Ditto ditto 5.

Ditto ditto 6.

Ditto ditto 7.

Ditto ditto 8.

Ditto ditto 9.

Ditto ditto 10.

Ditto ditto 11.

Ditto ditto 12.

Ditto ditto 13.

Ordered, That the said Papers do lie on the Table.

Nisbet for a Divorce Bill.

Upon reading the Petition of Walter Nisbet of Grafton Street, in the Parish of St. George Hanover Square, in the County of Middlesex Esquire, praying Leave to bring in a Bill to dissolve his Marriage with Anne Blomberg, his now Wife, and to enable him to marry again;

It is Ordered, That Leave be given to bring in a Bill according to the Prayer of the said Petition.

Adjourn.

Comes Mansfield Capitalis Justiciarius Banci Regis declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque ad et in diem Jovis, quartum diem instantis Decembris, horâ undecimâ Auroræ, Dominis sic decernentibus.

DIE Jovis, 4o Decembris, 1783.

Domini tam Spirituales quam Temporales præsentes fuerunt:

Epus. Exon.
Epus. Bristol.
Comes Carlisle, C. P. S.
Comes Sandwich.
Comes Abercorn.
Comes Temple.
Comes Mansfield.
Viscount Sackville.
Ds. Chedworth.
Ds. Thurlow.
Ds. Sydney.

PRAYERS.

The Earl of Mansfield fat Speaker by virtue of a former Commission.

Splitgerber and Fridag naturalizing Bill.

Hodie 2a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for naturalizing John Christian Splitgerber and Sebastian Fridag."

Ordered, That the said Bill be committed to the Consideration of the Lords following:

Ld. Privy Seal.
E. Sandwich.
E. Abercorn.
E. Temple.
E. Mansfield.
Viscount Sackville.
L. Bp. Exeter.
L. Bp. Bristol.
L. Chedworth.
L. Thurlow.
L. Sydney.

Their Lordships, or any Five of them, to meet on Tuesday next at Ten o'Clock in the Forenoon, in the Prince's Lodgings, near the House of Peers; and to adjourn as they please.

Davenport and Talbot's Petition referred to Judges.

Upon reading the Petition of Martha Davenport Widow, and Thomas Mansel Talbot Esquire, praying leave to bring in a Bill for the Purposes in the said Petition mentioned:

It is Ordered, That the Consideration of the said Petition be and is hereby referred to the Lord Chief Baron of the Court of Exchequer and Mr. Justice Nares, who are forthwith to summon all Parties concerned in the Bill; and after hearing them, are to report to the House the State of the Case, with their Opinion thereupon, under their Hands, and whether all Parties who may be concerned in the Consequences of the Bill, have signed the Petition; and also that the Judges, having perused the Bill, do sign the same.

Wade to enter into Recognizance on Worsleys appeal.

The House being moved, "That Charles Wade of Crane Court, Fleet-Street, London, Gentleman, may be permitted to enter into a Recognizance for James Worsley and Robert Worsley Esquires, on account of their Appeal depending in this House, they residing in the Country:"

It is Ordered, That the said Charles Wade may enter into a Recognizance for the said Appellants, as desired.

Spottiswoode to enter into Recognizance on Stewart's appeal.

The House being moved, "That John Spottiswoode of Sackville Street, Gentleman, may be permitted to enter into a Recognizance for Robert Stewart Esquire, on account of his Appeal depending in this House, he living in Scotland:"

It is Ordered, That the said John Spottiswoode may enter into a Recognizance for the said Appellant, as desired.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Ord, and others:

Malt Bill.

With a Bill, intituled, "An Act for continuing and granting to His Majesty certain Duties upon Malt, Mum, Cyder, and Perry, for the Service of the Year One Thousand Seven Hundred and Eighty Four;" to which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Elwes, and others:

Touray's naturalizing Bill.

With a Bill, intituled, "An Act for naturalizing Michael Peter Touray;" to which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

The said two Bills were severally read the first Time.

East India Company, Papers relative to.

Ordered, That the proper Officer do lay before this House, "Copy of the Treaty between the Company and Hyder Ally Cawn, executed in 1769."

Also "Copy of the Treaty with the Nizam, for the Settlement of the Guntoor Circar 1766."

Also "Copy of the Treaty between the Presidency of Madras and Bagelet Jung, for the Surrender of the Circar to the Company 1779."

Also "Copy of the Company's Instructions, for the Institution of the Committee of Circuits 1777."

Also "Copy of the Proceedings of the Presidency of Madras, abolishing the Committee in 1778."

And also Copy of the Letter of the Court of Directors to the President and Council of Fort Saint George, dated 10th January 1781, from the Paragraph 125."

Adjourn.

Comes Mansfield Capitalis Justiciarius Banci Regis, declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque ad et in diem Martis, nonum diem instantis Decembris, horâ undecimâ Auroræ, Dominis sic decernentibus.

DIE Martis, 9o Decembris, 1783.

Domini tam Spirituales quam Temporales præsentes fuerunt:

Georgius Princeps Walliæ.

Archiep. Cantuar.
Archiep. Ebor.
Epus. Petriburg.
Epus. Roffen.
Epus. Exon.
Epus. Lincoln.
Epus. Glocestr.
Epus. Norvicen.
Epus. Meneven.
Epus. Meneven.
Epus. Bristol.
Viscount Stormont, Præses.
Comes Carlisle, C. P. S.
Dux Richmond.
Dux Beaufort.
Dux Devonshire.
Dux Rutland.
Dux Brandon.
Dux Ancaster & Kesteven.
Dux Portland.
Dux Chandos.
Dux Dorset.
Dux Bridgewater.
Comes Dartmouth, Senescallus.
Comes Hertford, Camerarius.
Comes Derby.
Comes Huntingdon.
Comes Suffolk & Berkshire.
Comes Salisbury.
Comes Exeter.
Comes Westmorland.
Comes Peterborough & Monmouth.
Comes Stamford.
Comes Winchelsea & Nottingham.
Comes Sandwich.
Comes Essex.
Comes Doncaster.
Comes Plymouth.
Comes Scarborough.
Comes Jersey.
Comes Cholmondeley.
Comes Glencairn.
Comes Cassillis.
Comes Abercorn.
Comes Lauderdale.
Comes Dunmore.
Comes Ferrers.
Comes Stanhope.
Comes Effingham.
Comes Gower.
Comes Bucks.
Comes Fitzwilliam.
Comes Powis.
Comes Egremont.
Comes Temple.
Comes Harcourt.
Comes Ilchester.
Comes De la Warr.
Comes Spencer.
Comes Chatham.
Comes Clarendon.
Comes Mansfield.
Viscount Hereford.
Viscount Montague.
Viscount Townshend.
Viscount Hampden.
Viscount Sackville.
Viscount Howe.
Viscount Keppel.
Ds. Percy.
Ds. De Ferrars.
Ds. St. John Blet.
Ds. Craven.
Ds. Osborne.
Ds. Boyle.
Ds. Cadogan.
Ds. King.
Ds. Montfort.
Ds. Chedworth.
Ds. Sandys.
Ds. Ponsonby.
Ds. Vere.
Ds. Stawell.
Ds. Sondes.
Ds. Grantham.
Ds. Grosvenor.
Ds. Scarsdale.
Ds. Pelham.
Ds. Beaulieu.
Ds. Vernon.
Ds. Cardiff.
Ds. Amherst.
Ds. Harrowby.
Ds. Foley.
Ds. Thurlow.
Ds. Loughborough.
Ds. Gage.
Ds. Brudenell.
Ds. Walsingham.
Ds. Bagot.
Ds. Southampton.
Ds. Grantley.
Ds. Rawdon.
Ds. Sydney.

PRAYERS.

The Earl of Mansfield fat Speaker by virtue of a former Commission.

Earl Stanhope takes the Oaths.

This Day Philip Earl Stanhope took the Oaths, and made and subscribed the Declaration, and also took and subscribed the Oath of Abjuration pursuant to the Statutes.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir William Cunningham, and others:

Borrowstounness Canal Bill.

With a Bill, intituled, "An Act to enable the Company of Proprietors of the Borrowstounness navigable Cut or Canal, more effectually to complete and maintain the same;" to which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

The said Bill was read the first Time.

East India Regulation Bill.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Secretary Fox, and others:

With a Bill, intituled, "An Act for establishing certain Regulations for the better Management of the Territories, Revenues, and Commerce of this Kingdom in the East Indies;" to which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

The House being informed, "That Mr. Morton, Secretary to the East India Company, attended:"

Papers relative to East India Government, delivered.

He was called in, and delivered at the Bar, more Papers, "relating to the Government of the East India Possessions, pursuant to an Order of the 26th of November last, and the 4th of this Instant December, together with Lifts thereof."

Which were read by the Clerk as follows, (videlicet)

"An Account of the Nett-produce of the territorial and other Revenues, collected in the Government of Bengal, from May 1771, to the latest Period; to which the same can be made up, distinguishing each Year."

"An Account of the Civil and Military Expences of Bengal, for the same Period, distinguishing each Year."

"An Account of the Bond and other Debts of the East-India Company in Bengal, and also of the Balances in the Treasury in each Year, from May 1771, to the latest Period, to which the same can be made up."

"The like Accounts for Madras."

Do. Bombay."

"An Account of the Supplies furnished by the Government of Bengal, to the Presidencies of Madras and Bombay, respectively, from May 1771, to the Time of the latest Accounts received, distinguishing each Year."

"An Account of the Sums furnished by the Treasury of Bengal for or towards the Supply of an Investment of Goods, sent to England, from May 1771 to 1781 inclusive, distinguishing each Year."

"An Account of the Sums furnished by the Treasury of Bengal for the Purchase of Goods in China, or remitted there on the account of the East-India Company, from May 1771, to the Time of the latest Advices, distinguishing each Year."

"An Account of the Extraordinary Sums received by the Treasury of Bengal, from the 1st May 1778, to November 1780."

"An Account of the State of the Bengal Treasury, on the 30th of November 1780."

Mr. Morton also delivered at the Bar:

"An Account of Bills drawn on the East-India Company by their Servants abroad, from May 1771, to the Time of the last Advices, distinguishing each Year."

"Papers agreeable to an Order of the 4th of December 1783."

Ordered, That the said Papers do lie on the Table.

The House being informed, "That Mr. Drummond, and Mr. Roe, two of the Commissioners appointed to examine, take, and state the Public Accounts of the Kingdom, attended,"

They were called in, and delivered at the Bar,

Public Accounts, Eleventh Report of Commissioners delivered.

"The Eleventh Report of the Commissioners, appointed to examine, take, and state the Public Accounts of the Kingdom."

And then they withdrew.

And the Title thereof being read by the Clerk:

Ordered, That the said Report do lie on the Table.

Splitgerber and Fridag's Naturalization-Bill.

The Lord Scarsdale reported from the Lords Committees, to whom the Bill, intituled, "An Act for naturalizing John Christian Splitgerber, and Sebastian Fridag," was committed: "That they had considered the said Bill, and examined the Allegations thereof, which were found to be true; and that the Committee had gone through the Bill, and directed him to report the same to the House, without any Amendment."

Malt Bill.

Hodie 2a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for continuing and granting to His Majesty certain Duties upon Malt, Mum, Cyder, and Perry, for the Service of the Year One thousand seven hundred and eighty-four."

Ordered, That the said Bill be committed to a Committee of the whole House.

Ordered, That the House be put into a Committee upon the said Bill on Monday next.

Touray's Naturalization Bill.

Hodie 2a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for naturalizing Michael Peter Touray:"

Ordered, That the said Bill be committed to the Consideration of the Lords following:

Ld. President.
Ld. Privy Seal.
D. Richmond.
D. Beaufort.
D. Devonshire.
D. Rutland.
D. Brandon.
D. Ancaster & Kesteven.
D. Portland.
D. Chandos.
D. Dorset.
D. Bridgewater.
Ld. Steward.
Ld. Chamberlain.
E. Derby.
E. Huntingdon.
E. Suffolk & Berkshire.
E. Salisbury.
E. Exeter.
E. Westmorland.
E. Peterborough & Monmouth.
E. Stamford.
E. Winchelsea & Nottingham.
E. Sandwich.
E. Essex.
E. Doncaster.
E. Plymouth.
E. Scarborough.
E. Jersey.
E. Cholmondeley.
E. Glencairn.
E. Cassilis.
E. Abercorn.
E. Lauderdale.
E. Dunmore.
E. Ferrers.
E. Stanhope.
E. Effingham.
E. Gower.
E. Bucks.
E. Fitzwilliam.
E. Powis.
E. Egremont.
E. Temple.
E. Harcourt.
E. Ilchester.
E. De la Warr.
E. Spencer.
E. Chatham.
E. Clarendon.
E. Mansfield.
Viscount Hereford.
Viscount Montague.
Viscount Townshend.
Viscount Hampden.
Viscount Sackville.
Viscount Howe.
L. Abp. Canterbury.
L. Abp. York.
L. Bp. Peterborough.
L. Bp. Rochester.
L. Bp. Oxford.
L. Bp. Exeter.
L. Bp. Lincoln.
L. Bp. Gloucester.
L. Bp. Norwich.
L. Bp. St. David's.
L. Bp. Bristol.
L. Percy.
L. De Ferrars.
L. St. John Blet.
L. Craven.
L. Osborne.
L. Boyle.
L. Cadogan.
L. King.
L. Montfort.
L. Chedworth.
L. Sandys.
L. Ponsonby.
L. Vere.
L. Stawell.
L. Sondes.
L. Grantham.
L. Grosvenor.
L. Scarsdale.
L. Pelham.
L. Beaulieu.
L. Vernon.
L. Cardiff.
L. Amherst.
L. Harrowby.
L. Foley.
L. Thurlow.
L. Loughborough.
L. Gage.
L. Brudenell.
L. Walsingham.
L. Bagot.
L. Southampton.
L. Grantley.
L. Rawdon.
L. Sydney.

Their Lordships, or any Five of them, to meet on Monday next, at Ten o'Clock in the Forenoon, in the Prince's Lodgings near the House of Peers; and to adjourn as they please.

East India Regulation Bill.

Moved, That the Bill intituled, "An Act for establishing certain Regulations, for the better Management of the Territories, Revenues, and Commerce of this Kingdom in the East Indies," be now read a first time.

The said Bill was accordingly read a first Time.

Then it was moved, "That the said Bill be read a second Time on Monday next, and the Lords summoned."

The same was agreed to, and ordered accordingly.

Ordered, That the said Bill be printed.

East India Company, Address for Applications to Treasury, &c.

Ordered, That an humble Address be presented to His Majesty, to desire His Majesty will be graciously pleased to order that there be laid before this House, "Copies of all Applications to the Commissioners of His Majesty's Treasury by the East India Company, respecting the Acceptance of Bills drawn on the said Company, with Copies of the Accounts and Calculations accompanying the said Applications."

And also, "Copies of Treasury Minutes relative to postponing the Payment of Monies due from the East India Company to the Publick, and to the Acceptance of Bills drawn from India, beyond the Sum limited by Act of Parliament."

Ordered, That the said Address be presented to His Majesty by the Lords with White Staves.

East India Regulation Bill, Petition of East India Company against.

Upon reading the Petition of the United Company of Merchants of England trading to the East Indies, taking Notice of a Bill depending in this House, intituled, "An Act for establishing certain Regulations for the better Management of the Territories, Revenues, and Commerce of this Kingdom in the East Indies;" and praying, for the Reasons therein mentioned, "That they may be heard by themselves or their Counsel against the said Bill; and that their Lordships, in their Justice, will protect their Rights, Privileges, and Property against this most unconstitutional and unprecedented Measure, subversive of the Petitioners' Constitution, divesting them of their Rights and Privileges, seizing their Property, and continuing a Trade at their Risk, but without their Consent or Controul:"

It is Ordered, That the Petitioners be at Liberty to be heard by their Counsel against the said Bill, as desired, at the second Reading thereof.

Adjourn.

Comes Mansfield Capitalis Justiciarius Banci Regis declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque ad et in diem Mercurii, decimum diem instantis Decembris, horâ undecimâ Auroræ, Dominis sic decernentibus.

DIE Mercurii, 10o Decembris, 1783.

Domini tam Spirituales quam Temporales præsentes fuerunt:

Epus. Roffen.
Epus. Exon.
Epus. Norvicen.
Viscount Stormont, Præses.
Dux Richmond.
Dux Portland.
Dux Chandos.
Comes Hertford, Camerarius.
Comes Derby.
Comes Salisbury.
Comes Stamford.
Comes Sandwich.
Comes Doncaster.
Comes Cholmondeley.
Comes Abercorn.
Comes Effingham.
Comes Gower.
Comes Bathurst.
Comes Mansfield.
Viscount Howe.
Ds. Chedworth.
Ds. Loughborough.
Ds. Bagot.
Ds. Rawdon.
Ds. Sydney.

PRAYERS.

The Earl of Mansfield sat Speaker, by virtue of a former Commission.

King's Answer to Address reported.

The Lord Chamberlain reported, "That the Lords with White Staves had (according to Order) waited on His Majesty with their Lordships' Address of Yesterday for the Copies therein mentioned, and that His Majesty was pleased to say, "He would give Directions accordingly."

The House being informed, "That Mr. Cotton, from the Treasury, attended:"

East India Company, Applications to Treasury, &c. delivered.

He was called in, and delivered at the Bar, pursuant to the Address of Yesterday,

"Copies of all Applications to the Commissioners of His Majesty's Treasury by the East India Company, respecting the Acceptance of Bills drawn on the said Company, with Copies of Accounts and Calculations accompanying the said Applications:"

And also, "Copies of Treasury Minutes relative to postponding the Payment of Monies due from the East India Company to the Public; and to the Acceptance of Bills drawn from India beyond the Sum limited by Act of Parliament."

And then he withdrew.

And the Titles thereof being read by the Clerk;

Ordered, That the said Copies do lie on the Table.

Splitgerber's and Fridag's Naturalization Bill:

Hodie 3a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act for naturalizing John Christian Splitgerber and Sebastian Fridag."

The Question was put, "Whether this Bill shall pass?"

It was resolved in the Affirmative.

Message to H. C. that the Lords have agreed to it.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Mr. Anguish and Mr. Eames:

To acquaint them, That the Lords have agreed to the said Bill without any Amendment.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Francis Sykes and others:

Shillingford Road Bill.

With a Bill, intituled, "An Act for enlarging the Term and Powers of an Act passed in the Fourth Year of the Reign of His present Majesty, for repairing and widening the Road from Shillingford, in the County of Oxford, through Wallingford and Pangborne to Reading, in the County of Berks; and for building a Bridge over the River Thames at or near Shillingford Ferry;" to which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

The said Bill was read the first Time.

Adjourn.

Comes Mansfield Capitalis Justiciarius Banci Regis declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque ad et in diem Jovis, undecimum diem instantis Decembris, horâ undecimâ Auroræ, Dominis sic decernentibus.