House of Lords Journal Volume 12
22 November 1667

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 12: 22 November 1667', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 12: 1666-1675 (1767-1830), pp. 144-145. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=12509 Date accessed: 20 September 2014.


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DIE Veneris, 22 die Novembris.

Domini tam Spirituales quam Temporales præsentes fuerunt:

Arch.Cant.
Arch.Eborac.
Epus.Durham.
Epus.Winton.
Epus.St. David's.
Epus.Ely.
Epus.Norwich.
Epus.Litch. et Cov.
Epus.Hereford.
Epus.Chester.
Epus.Sarum.
Epus.Petriburgh.
Epus.Carlile.
Epus. Oxon.
Epus. Bangor.
Epus.Landaffe.
Epus.Asaph.
Epus.Exon.
SirOrlando Bridgman, Miles et Bar. Ds. Custos Magni Sigilli.
Dux Cumberland.
Dux Bucks.
Dux Richmond.
Dux Albemarle.
Marq.Worcester.
RobertusComes Lyndsey, Magnus CamerariusAngliæ.
EdwardusComesManchester, Camerarius Hospitii.
ComesOxon.
ComesKent.
Comes Bedford.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Suffolke.
Comes Dorsett.
ComesBridgwater.
ComesNorth'ton.
Comes Devon.
ComesDenbigh.
ComesBristol.
ComesClarc.
ComesBolingbrooke.
Comes Westm'land.
ComesBerks.
ComesDover.
Comes Petriburgh.
Comes Portland.
Comes Strafford.
Comes Norwich.
ComesScarsdale.
Comes Rochester.
Comes Essex.
Comes Cardigan.
ComesAnglesey.
Comes Carlile.
ComesCraven.
ComesAylsebury.
Comes Burlington.
Vicecomes Hereford.
Vicecomes Say et Seale.
VicecomesConway.
Vicecomes Mordant.
Ds.Arlington, One of His Majesty's Principal Secretaries of State.
Ds. Delawar.
Ds.Berkley de Berkley.
Ds. Sandys.
Ds. Windsor.
Ds.Cromwell.
Ds. Eure.
Ds. Pagett.
Ds.North.
Ds.Chandos.
Ds.Petre.
Ds.Arundell de Ward.
Ds.Tenham.
Ds. Howard de Ch.
Ds.Grey.
Ds. Lovelace.
Ds.Poulet.
Ds.Maynard.
Ds.Howard de Esc.
Ds. Powis.
Ds. Newport.
Ds.Byron.
Ds.Vaughan.
Ds.Carrington.
Ds.Ward.
Ds.Colepeper.
Ds.Lucas.
Ds.Bellasis.
Ds.Rockingham.
Ds.Gerard de Brand.
Ds.Lexington.
Ds.Crofts.
Ds. Berkeley de Strat.
Ds.Holles.
Ds.Cornwallis.
Ds.Delamer.
Ds.Townsend.
Ds.Ashley.
Ds.Arundell de Trerice.

PRAYERS.

Bill for assigning Exchequer Orders.

The Lord Ashley reported, "That the Committee have considered the Bill for assigning Orders in the Exchequer without Revocation, wherein there are some small Alterations."

Which were read Twice; but not agreed to, because the House was of Opinion there needed none.

Hodie 3a vice lecta est Billa, "An Act for assigning Orders in the Exchequer without Revocation."

The Question being put, "Whether this Bill shall pass?"

It was Resolved in the Affirmative.

Message to H. C. that the Lords have passed it, and L. Townshend's Bill; and with the Trial of Peers Bill.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir Will Childe and Sir Moundiford Brampston, consisting of these Particulars:

1. To deliver to them the Bill for the better regulating the Trial of the Peers of England; and to desire the Concurrence of the House of Commons therein.

2. To acquaint them, that the Lords have passed the Bill for assigning Orders in the Exchequer without Revocation; and also have passed the Bill for Confirmation of an Exchange of certain Lands between Horatio Lord Townsend and the Rector of East and West Rainham, in the County of Norff.

Report of the Conference concerning the Lord Message about the E. of Claredon.

Next, the Lord Ashley reported the Effect of the Conference Yesterday with the House of Commons, as followeth:

"It was delivered by Sir Robert Howard, That the House of Commons are ever prepared with all Readiness to wait on their Lordships in any Conference shall be desired: But this Conference is not so Parliamentary in the Method of Proceedings.

"The House of Commons first sent up their Desires to have the Earl of Clarendon sequestered and committed.

"The Lords in the next Place delivered their Vote of not complying, at a Conference.

"Then the House of Commons, at a Second Conference, delivered their Reasons to induce the House of Lords to agree. Their Lordships Message being for a present Conference, and not a Free Conference, gave them Cause to conceive that the Lords did not agree on their Reasons. If so, the House of Commons looked upon it that it should have been a Free Conference, that so the Lords might have given their Reasons. This was the Reason of their desiring this Conference, to acquaint their Lordships, that this Manner of Proceeding is not Parliamentary; for so the House of Commons should be debarred from a Free Debate.

"The next Gentleman that spoke at this Conference, was Mr. Vaughan; who said, That this is Business of very great Importance; not so much as to the Personal Concern of the Earl of Clarendon, as to the Consequence in the general Proceedings of Parliament, and the Precedent of it: That the House of Commons did expect a Free Conference; for otherwise the House of Commons think themselves precluded for ever having a Free Conference."

Conference not to be asked by H. C. when previously desired by the Lords on the same Subject.

After a long and serious Debate of this Conference, it was generally Agreed and Resolved, That the House of Commons not granting a Conference desired by the Lords; and desiring a Conference of the Lords upon their Lordships Message for a Conference, is contrary to the Method of Proceedings between the Two Houses.

And, upon a further Debate, it is Agreed and Resolved, That, in desiring the last Conference with the House of Commons, the Lords have proceeded in a Parliamentary Way.

Heads for a Conference about it.

Then the House appointed these Lords following to draw up Reasons upon these Two Votes, to be offered to the House of Commons at a Conference, and to present the same to this House To-morrow Morning:

Dux Bucks.
L. Chamberlain.
Comes Bridgwater.
Comes Bristol.
Comes Anglesey.
Ds. Holles.
Ds. Ashley.

Their Lordships, or any Three.

Bolton and Cockaine to be attached, for beating the D. of Cumberland's Footmen.

Upon Complaint made to this House, "That Nathaniell Bolt and William Cockaine, Carmen, did this Day beat and wound the Footmen attending the Sedan of the Duke of Cumberland, in his Highness' Passage through Kingstreet to the Parliament:"

It is ORDERED, by the Lords Spiritual and Temporal in Parliament assembled, That the Serjeant at Arms attending this House, or his Deputy, shall forthwith attach the Bodies of the said Nathaniell Bolt and William Cockaine, and bring them in safe Custody to the Bar of this House, to answer their said Offences: And this shall be a sufficient Warrant on that Behalf.

Adjourn.

Dominus Custos Magni Sigilli declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque in diem Sabbati, 23um instantis Novembris, hora decima Aurora, Dominis sic decernentibus.