House of Lords Journal Volume 12: 14 December 1667

Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 12, 1666-1675. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 12: 14 December 1667', in Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 12, 1666-1675, (London, 1767-1830) pp. 169-171. British History Online https://www.british-history.ac.uk/lords-jrnl/vol12/pp169-171 [accessed 15 April 2024]

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DIE Sabbati, 14 die Decembris.

Domini tam Spirituales quam Temporales præsentes fuerunt:

Arch. Cant.
Arch. Eborac.
Epus. Durham.
Epus. Winton.
Epus. Chichester.
Epus. St. David's.
Epus. Ely.
Epus. Norwich.
Epus. Gloucester.
Epus. Hereford.
Epus. Chester.
Epus. Sarum.
Epus. Petriburgh.
Epus. Carlile.
Epus. Oxon.
Epus. Rochester.
Epus. Bangor.
Epus. Lyncolne.		 Dux Cumberland.
Sir Orlando Bridgman, Miles et Bar. Ds. Custos Magni Sigilli.
Johannes Ds. Robertes. Custos Privati Sigilli.
Dux Bucks.
Dux Richmond.
Dux Albemarle.
Marq. Worcester.
Robertus Comes Lyndsey, Magnus Camerarius Angliæ.
Comes Oxon.
Comes Bedford.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Suffolke.
Comes Dorsett.
Comes Bridgwater.
Comes North'ton.
Comes Denbigh.
Comes Bristol.
Comes Clare.
Comes Bolingbrooke.
Comes Berks.
Comes Rivers.
Comes Dover.
Comes Petriburgh.
Comes Strafford.
Comes Sunderland.
Comes Norwich.
Comes Scarsdale.
Comes Essex.
Comes Anglesey.
Comes Bath.
Comes Carlile.
Comes Aylsebury.
Comes Burlington.
Vicecomes Mountagu.
Vicecomes Say & Seale.
Vicecomes Conway.
Vicecomes Fauconberg.		 Ds. Arlington, One of the Principal Secretaries of State.
Ds. Delaware.
Ds. Berkley de Berkley.
Ds. Sandys.
Ds. Windsor.
Ds. Eure.
Ds. Pagett.
Ds. Chandos.
Ds. Petre.
Ds. Arundell de Warder.
Ds. Tenham.
Ds. Lovelace.
Ds. Poulett.
Ds. Howard Charlt.
Ds. Powis.
Ds. Newport.
Ds. Byron.
Ds. Vaughan.
Ds. Carington.
Ds. Widdrington.
Ds. Ward.
Ds. Colepeper.
Ds. Lucas.
Ds. Bellasis.
Ds. Gerard de Brandon.
Ds. Lexington.
Ds. Berkley de Strat.
Ds. Holles.
Ds. Cornwallis.
Ds. Delamer.
Ds. Townsend.
Ds. Ashley.
Ds. Arundell de Trerice.

PRAYERS.

Bp. Durham, Leave to defend his Bill in H. C.

The House was made acquainted, "That there is a Bill depending in the House of Commons, which concerns the Bishopric of Durham; and the Lord Bishop of Durham desires to know the Pleasure of the House, whether he may appear to defend his Right, either in Person or by his Counsel, as he shall be advised."

And this House left it to his Lordship to do therein as he shall think fit.

Message from H. C. with a Bill.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Gilbert Talbott and others; who brought up a Bill, intituled, "An Act for the Naturalization of Alvaro da Costa and others;" to which their Lordships Concurrence is desired.

Da Costa, &c. Nat. Bill.

Hodie 1a vice lecta est Billa, "An Act for the Naturalization of Alvaro da Costa and others."

Message from H. C. with a Bill.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Birch and others; who brought up an Act, intituled, "An Act for giving Liberty to buy and export Leather and Skins, tanned or dressed."

Message from thence, with a Vote to address the King, to issue a Proclamation for the E. of Clarendon to come in.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by the Lord Cavendish and others:

That the House of Commons, taking Notice of the Flight of the Earl of Clarendon, being under an Impeachment of the House of Commons for High Treason, have passed a Vote, and desire their Lordships Concurrence therein.

"Resolved, &c.

"That His Majesty be humbly desired to issue out a Proclamation, for summoning of the said Earl of Clarendon to appear by a Day, and the apprehending him in order to his Trial."

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That their Lordships have considered of their Message, and will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

The Question being put, "Whether this House shall fit this Afternoon?"

It was Resolved in the Affirmative.

Message to H. C. that the Lords will fit P. M.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir John Coell and Doctor Crosts:

To let them know, that this House intends to fit this Afternoon.

Bill for exporting Leather.

Hodie 1a vice lecta est Billa, "An Act for giving Liberty to buy and export Leather and Skins tanned or dressed."

E. of Rochester and Mulgrave, Minors, their sitting to be considered.

Upon Report made by the Duke of Richmond, from the Lords Committees for Privileges, "That the Lords Sub-committees for Privileges, and for Perusal of the Journal Book, cannot proceed to perfect the Examination of the Journal Book, because there hath not as yet been given any Resolution upon the Case of Minors sitting in this House; and therefore desire the Direction of the House:"

It is ORDERED, That the Committee of Privileges shall prepare a Declaration to be offered to this House, respecting both the Time past and Time to come, which may prevent the Inconvenience of Minors sitting in this House.

Morley and Grenvile versus Elwes.

Whereas Counsel and Witnesses have been heard, at the Bar of this House, upon both Parts, upon the Petition of Cutbert Morley and Bernard Greenvile Esquires, against Jeremy Elwes, and Henry Elwes his Trustee, concerning a Release of certain Lands in the said Petition mentioned:

It is ORDERED, That this House will proceed to the further Hearing of the said Cause, by Counsel and Witnesses, on the First Monday after the Meeting of this House next after Christmas.

Adjourn.

Dominus Custos Magni Sigilli declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum est usque in diem Sabbati, videlicet, 14um diem instantis Decembris, hora quarta post meridiem, Dominis sic decernentibus.

Post meridiem.

Domini tam Spirituales quam Temporales præsentes fuerunt:

Arch. Eborac.
Epus. Durham.
Epus. Winton.
Epus. Chichester.
Epus. Ely.
Epus. St. David's.
Epus. Hereford.
Epus. Chester.
Epus. Sarum.
Epus. Petriburgh.
Epus. Carlile.
Epus. Oxon.
Epus. Rochester.
Epus. Bangor.
Epus. Lyncolne.		 Sir Orlando Bridgman, Miles et Bar. Ds. Custos Magni Sigilli.
Dux Bucks.
Dux Richmond.
Dux Albemarle.
Marq. Worcester.
Robertus Comes Lyndsey, Magnus Camerarius Angliæ.
Edwardus Comes Manchester, Camerarius Hospitii.
Comes Dorsett.
Comes Bridgwater.
Comes North'ton.
Comes Denbigh.
Comes Bristoll.
Comes Clare.
Comes Bolingbrooke.
Comes Berks.
Comes Dover.
Comes Petriburgh.
Comes Sunderland.
Comes Norwich.
Comes Essex.
Comes Anglesey.
Comes Bath.
Comes Carlile.
Comes Aylesbury.
Comes Burlington.
Vicecomes Mountagu.
Vicecomes Say & Seale.
Vicecomes Fauconberg.		 Ds. Arlington, One of the Principal Secretaries of State.
Ds. Delaware.
Ds. Berkeley de Berk.
Ds. Eure.
Ds. Pagett.
Ds. Chandos.
Ds. Arundell de Ward.
Ds. Tenham.
Ds. Howard de Charlt.
Ds. Lovelace.
Ds. Poulett.
Ds. Howard de Esc.
Ds. Powis.
Ds. Newport.
Ds. Byron.
Ds. Vaughan.
Ds. Carington.
Ds. Ward.
Ds. Colepeper.
Ds. Lucas.
Ds. Bellasis.
Ds. Gerard de Brand.
Ds. Lexington.
Ds. Holles.
Ds. Delamer.
Ds. Ashley.
Ds. Arundell de Treric.

PRAYERS.

Bill for exporting Leather.

Hodie 2a vice lecta est Billa, "An Act for giving Liberty to buy and export Leather and Skins tanned and dressed."

ORDERED, That the Consideration of this Bill is committed to these Lords following; videlicet,

Dux Richmond.
L. Great Chamberlain.
Comes Dorsett.
Comes Bridgwater.
Comes North'ton.
Comes Denbigh.
Comes Bolingbrooke.
Comes Berks.
Comes Dover.
Comes Petriburgh.
Comes Strafford.
Comes Sunderland.
Comes Essex.
Comes Anglesey.
Vicecomes Say & Seale.		 Epus. Durham.
Epus. Winton.
Epus. Ely.
Epus. Chester.
Epus. Hereford.
Epus. Sarum.
Epus. Bangor.		 Ds. Arlington.
Ds. Berkeley de Berk.
Ds. Chandos.
Ds. Ward.
Ds. Colepeper.
Ds. Lucas.
Ds. Delamer.

Their Lordships, or any Five; to meet on Monday next, at Three of the Clock in the Afternoon, in the Prince's Lodgings.

Vote of H. C. for addressing the King to issue a Proclamation for the E. Clarendon to come in.

Next, the House took into Consideration the Message brought this Morning from the House of Commons, concerning the Earl of Clarendon; and, after a long Debate, these Lords following were appointed to draw up Reasons why the Lords dissent to the Vote of the House of Commons:

Dux Bucks.
L. Chamberlain.
Comes Bolingbrooke.
Comes Bristol.
Comes Essex.
Comes Anglesey.
Comes Carlile.		 Epus. Hereford.
Epus. Sarum.		 Ds. Arlington.
Ds. Berkley de Berk.
Ds. Howard de Ch.
Ds. Holles.
Ds. Ashley.

And accordingly the Lords withdrew presently.

Lords Reasons for dissenting from it.

The Lords Committees returning, the Lord Chamberlain reported the Reasons drawn up by the Lords; which were read, as followeth:

"Reasons of the Lords dissenting from the Vote of the House of Commons:

"1. For that they conceive a Proclamation in the Way proposed would be uneffectual, since it is not sub Pæna Convictionis, which cannot be till Particulars in order to Trial be declared.

"2. That what the House of Commons have proposed, and do propose at present, is intended in order to a Judicial Way of Proceeding. But, since the Earl of Clarendon's Flight, their Lordships, upon Consideration of the whole State of Affairs and of the Kingdom, have, upon Grounds of Prudence and Justice, thought fit, for the Security of the King and Kingdom, to proceed in a Legislative Way against the said Earl, and have to that End passed and sent down unto them a Bill of Banishment and Incapacity against him, with which this Vote is inconsistent."

The Question being put, "Whether this House agrees with the Committee to these Reasons?"

It was Resolved in the Affirmative.

Message to H. C. for a Conference about it.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir John Coell and Doctor Crofts:

To desire a present Conference, in the Painted Chamber, touching the Subject-matter of their last Message.

The same Lords as drew up the Reasons were appointed to manage this Conference, and to deliver the said Reasons in answer to their Message.

Palmes' Bill.

The Earl of North'ton reported, "That the Committee have considered the Bill concerning Mr. Palmes, and do think it fit to pass as it is, without any Amendment."

Hereupon the House ordered the said Bill to be read the Third Time on Monday Morning next.

The Messengers return with this Answer:

Answer from H. C.

That the House of Commons will give a present Conference, as is desired.

The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the Lords went to the Conference; which being ended, the House was resumed.

Adjourn.

Dominus Custos Magni Sigilli declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque in diem Lunæ, videlicet, 16um diem instantis Decembris, hora decima Aurora, Dominis sic decernentibus.

Hitherto examined by us,

J. Bridgewater,
B. Elien.
G. Chester.
Geo. Eure.
Howard De Charlton.

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