House of Lords Journal Volume 14
8 April 1689

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 14: 8 April 1689', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 14: 1685-1691 (1767-1830), pp. 170-172. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=13034 Date accessed: 23 July 2014.


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DIE Lunæ, 8 die Aprilis.

Domini tam Spirituales quam Temporales præsentes fuerunt:

Archb. of York.
Epus. London.
Epus. Winton.
Epus. Lyncolne.
Epus. Landaffe.
Epus. St. Asaph.
Epus. Carlisle.
Epus. Rochester.
Epus. Exon.
Epus. Sarum.
Comes Danby, L. President.
Marq. de Hallyfax, C. P. S.
Dux Norfolk, Comes Marese.
Dux Somerset.
Dux South'ton.
Dux Grafton.
Dux Ormond.
Dux Beaufort.
Dux Northumb.
Marq. Winton.
Comes Lyndsey, L. Great Chamberlain.
Comes Dorset et Midd. L. Chamberlain.
Comes Oxon.
Comes Kent.
Comes Derby.
Comes Pembrook.
Comes Suffolk.
Comes Bridgewater.
Comes North'ton.
Comes Bristol.
Comes Clare.
Comes Bolingbrook.
Comes Manchester.
Comes Mulgrave.
Comes Rivers.
Comes Stamford.
Comes Winchilsea.
Comes Kingston.
Comes Carnarvon.
Comes Chesterfeild.
Comes Thannet.
Comes Scarsdale.
Comes Anglesey.
Comes Bath.
Comes Craven.
Comes Burlington.
Comes Feversham.
Comes Maclesfeld.
Comes Nottingham.
Comes Rochester.
Comes Abingdon.
Vicecomes Fauconberg.
Vicecomes Newport.
Vicecomes Weymouth.
Ds. Delawar.
Ds. Morley.
Ds. Ferrers.
Ds. Grey de Ruthin.
Ds. Eure.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. Willoughby de Parham.
Ds. North et Grey.
Ds. Chandos.
Ds. Brooke.
Ds. Mountagu.
Ds. Grey de Wark.
Ds. Lovelace.
Ds. Coventry.
Ds. Herbert.
Ds. Leigh.
Ds. Vaughan.
Ds. Ward.
Ds. Colepeper.
Ds. Lucas.
Ds. Rockingham.
Ds. Lexington.
Ds. Berkeley.
Ds. Cornwallis.
Ds. Crewe.
Ds. Arundell T.
Ds. Lumley.
Ds. Carteret.
Ds. Ossulston.

PRAYERS.

Marq. de Halyfax Speaker pro Tempore.

Lords take the Oaths.

This Day these Lords took the Oaths, and made and subscribed the Declaration, in Pursuance of the Acts:

Robert Lord Ferrers.
Thomas Lord Leigh.
Foulk Lord Brooke.

Savery alias Serle's Bill.

The Earl of Rochester reported from the Committee, the Bill to enable Isaac Savery Gentleman, to take upon him the Surname of Searle or Serle; and they think it is fit to pass as it is, without any Amendment.

To which Opinion the House agreed; and ordered the Bill to be engrossed.

Message from H. C. with a Bill.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Herbert and others:

Who brought up a Bill, passed the Commons, intituled, "An Act for the naturalizing of Frederick Count Schomberg, and others."

Count Schomberg & al. Nat. Bill.

Hodie 1a, et 2a, et 3a vice lecta est Billa, "An Act for the naturalizing of Frederick Count Scomberg, and others."

The Question being put, "Whether this Bill shall pass?

It is Resolved in the Affirmative.

Message to H. C. that the Lords agree to it.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir Miles Cooke and Mr. Metwing:

To let the Commons know, that this House agrees to the Bill for the naturalizing of Frederick Count Schomberg and others, without any Amendments.

Bill for uniting Protestants.

Hodie 3a vice lecta est Billa, "An Act for uniting Their Majesties Protestant Subjects."

Before the putting of the Question, a Proviso engrossed was offered to be made Part of this Bill.

Which was read Thrice.

And, after some Debate,

"This Question was proposed, "Whether to agree to this Proviso, and to be added to the Bill?"

Then the Question was put, "Whether this Question shall be now put?"

And it was Resolved in the Affirmative.

Then the main Question was put, "Whether to agree to this Proviso, and to be added as a Part of this Bill?"

It was Resolved in the Affirmative.

Protest against a Proviso to it.

Leave was given to some Lords to enter their Dissents.

"Stamford."

After this,

The Question was put, "Whether this Bill, intituled, "An Act for uniting Their Majesties Protestant Subjects, with the Proviso now agreed to, shall pass?"

It was Resolved in the Affirmative.

Message from H. C. for a Conference on the Bill for removing Papists.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Thomas Clarges and others:

To desire a Conference, upon the Subject-matter of the late Conference, concerning Amendments in the Bill for amoving of Papists out of the Cities of London and Westminster.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That the Lords have considered their Message, and will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Message to H. C. about the Conference, and with the Bill for uniting Protestants.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir Miles Cooke and Mr. Metwin:

To deliver the Bill, intituled, "An Act for uniting Their Majesties Protestant Subjects," to which their Concurrence is desired.

2. To let them know, their Lordships are ready to give a Conference, about the Subject-matter desired this Morning; and appoints the same to be presently, in the Painted Chamber.

These Lords were appointed to be Managers and Reporters of the Conference:

Comes Pembrook.
Comes Rivers.
Comes Chesterfeild.
Comes Thannet.
Comes Danby, L. President.
Comes Feversham.
Comes Nottingham.
Comes Rochester.
Epus. London.
Epus. Sarum.
Ds. Ferrers.
Ds. North.
Ds. Lovelace.
Ds. Cornwallis.

Then the House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the Lords went to the Conference; which being ended, the House was resumed.

Report of the Conference on the Bill for removing Papists from London.

And the Earl of Rochester reported, "That the Commons do insist to retain the Proviso by them added, concerning the Queen Dowager, in Lieu of that in the Bill.

"1. Because it is no new Clause, and therefore imposes no new Condition upon Her Majesty; it being the same that is enacted in the 30th of King Charles the Second, in the Act for the more effectual preserving the King's Person and Government.

"2. Because to make an Alteration in the Law as it now stands may look like some Kind of Countenance to those of that Persuasion, at a Time when the Lords themselves have judged the Resort of Papists to London to be of so dangerous Consequence to the Government, as to make this Act to remove them Ten Miles from it.

"3. The Papists are not less active at this Time in their Designs and Practices to disturb the Peace and Quiet of the Kingdom, than they were in the 30th Year of King Charles the Second; and therefore the like Reasons which induced the Parliament to make that Statute remain at this Time, to persuade the House of Commons to keep the Force of it entire in all its Parts; since the Purport thereof does not only intend the Preservation of that King from the Attempts of Papists, but His Successors also, the succeeding Kings and Queens of this Realm, by restraining them from resorting to Their Presence, or Places of Their Residence."

The House, upon Consideration of these Reasons, agreed to propose, "That the Queen should have Thirty Servants of the King's English Subjects;" and this to be offered to the House of Commons, at a Conference, the next Day of Sitting after the Coronation.

Forster versus Forster.

Whereas this Day was appointed for hearing the Cause depending in this House between Forster and Forster:

It is ORDERED, by the Lords Spiritual and Temporal in Parliament assembled, That this House will hear the said Cause, by Counsel on both Sides, on Tuesday the 16th Day of this Instant April, at Ten of the Clock in the Forenoon; whereof both Parties are to take Notice, and attend with their Counsel accordingly.

Lords to prepare Reasons, concerning the Queen's Servants, in the Bill for removing Papists.

Lords Committees appointed to draw Reasons upon the Subject-matter of the last Conference with the House of Commons, concerning the Number of the Queen Dowager's Servants, being English Papists; and to report to the House.

L. President.
Comes Pembrook.
Comes Rivers.
Comes Chesterfeild.
Comes Thannet.
Comes Feversham.
Comes Nottingham.
Comes Rochester.
Epus. London.
Epus. Sarum.
Ds. Ferrers.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. North.
Ds. Lovelace.
Ds. Cornwallis.

Adjourn.

Marq. de Halyfax, Orator Procerum pro Tempore, declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque in diem Martis, videlicet, nonum diem instantis Aprilis, hora nona Aurora, Dominis sic decernentibus.