House of Lords Journal Volume 11
6 February 1662

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 11: 6 February 1662', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 11: 1660-1666 (1767-1830), pp. 378-379. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=14214 Date accessed: 02 September 2014.


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DIE Jovis, 6 die Februarii.

Domini tam Spirituales quam Temporales præsentes fuerunt:

Arch. Eborac.
Epus. Durham.
Epus. Bath et Wells.
Epus. Elye.
Epus. Oxon.
Epus. Bangor.
Epus. Chichester.
Epus. Sarum.
Epus. Worcester.
Epus. St. Asaph.
Epus. St. David's.
Epus. Petriburgh.
Epus. Landaffe.
Epus. Carlile.
Epus. Bristoll.
Epus. Norwich.
Epus. Gloucester.
Epus. Cov. et Lichfeild.
Ds. Cancellarius.
Ds. Custos Privati Sigilli.
Dux Richmond.
Dux Albemarle.
Marq. Dorchester.
L. Great Chamberlain.
L. Steward.
L. Chamberlain.
Comes Oxon.
Comes Northumb.
Comes Derby.
Comes Bedford.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Suffolke.
Comes Dorsett.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Exon.
Comes Bridgwater.
Comes North'ton.
Comes Warwick.
Comes Devon.
Comes Bristoll.
Comes Midd.
Comes Bollingbrooke.
Comes Cleveland.
Comes Strafford.
Comes Carnarvon.
Comes Chesterfeild.
Comes Portland.
Comes Strafford.
Comes Scarsdale.
Comes Essex.
Comes Anglesey.
Comes Bathon.
Viscount Mountagu.
Viscount de Stafford.
Viscount Fauconberg.
Ds. Abergaveny.
Ds. Berkley de Berk.
Ds. Morley.
Ds. Sandys.
Ds. Windsor.
Ds. Wentworth.
Ds. Eure.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. Willoughby.
Ds. Pagett.
Ds. Hunsdon.
Ds. Arundell.
Ds. Howard de Ch.
Ds. Grey.
Ds. Craven.
Ds. Lovelace.
Ds. Coventry.
Ds. Howard de Esc.
Ds. Mohun.
Ds. Herbert de Ch.
Ds. Byron.
Ds. Carrington.
Ds. Ward.
Ds. Asteley.
Ds. Clifford.
Ds. Lucas.
Ds. Bellasis.
Ds. Rockingham.
Ds. Lexington.
Ds. Langdale.
Ds. Crafts.
Ds. Berkley de Strat.
Ds. Holles.
Ds. Cornwallis.
Ds. Townsend.
Ds. Ashley.
Ds. Crewe.

PRAYERS.

E. of Denbigh excused.

The Earl of Denbigh is excused for his Absence from this House, being not well.

Admiralty Jurisdiction Bill.

ORDERED, That these Lords following are added to the Committee for the Bill concerning the Court of Admiralty:

Marq. Dorchester.
Comes Derby.
Viscount de Stafford.
L. Ashley.
Bp. Sarum.
Bp. Cov. et Lichfeild.

Tenants of Clitherow Bill.

ORDERED, That the Committee for the Honour of Clitheroe do meet To-morrow Morning, at Nine of the Clock.

Additional Act concerning Merchants Assurance.

Hodie 2a vice lecta est Billa, "An additional Act touching Matters of Assurance used amongst Merchants."

ORDERED, That the Consideration of this Bill is committed to these Lords following; videlicet,

L. Privy Seal.
Dux Albemarle.
Marq. Dorchester.
Comes Derby.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes North'on.
Comes Bristoll.
Comes Bollingbrooke.
Comes Portland.
Comes Essex.
Comes Anglesey.
Viscount de Stafford.
Arch. Eborac.
Epus. Durham.
Epus. Sarum.
Epus. Worcester.
Ds. Pagett.
Ds. Howard de Ch.
Ds. Mohun.
Ds. Lucas.
Ds. Holles.
Ds. Ashley.

Their Lordships, or any Five; to meet To-morrow Morning, at Eight of the Clock, in the Prince's Lodgings.

ORDERED, That the Lord Berkley of Stratton is added to the Committee for the Bill for repealing the Acts made in the Long Parliament.

E. of Derby's Bill:

Hodie 3a vice lecta est Billa, "An Act for the restoring of Charles Earl of Derby to the Manors of Hope and Hopesdale, Mole and Molesdale, in the County of Flint."

The Question being put, "Whether this Bill shall pass?"

It was Resolved in the Affirmative.

Protest against it.

"Whereas, before the Question was put, upon the Bill, intituled, "An Act for restoring Charles Earl of Derby to the Possession of the Manors of Hope and Hopesdale, Mould, and Mouldesdale, in the County of Flint," Leave was desired for entering a Protest, on the Behalf of the Lords hereunder written, in case the Vote upon the said Bill pass in the Affirmative: We, in Pursuance thereof, according to the Course of Parliament in such like Cases used, do enter our Protestation against the said Bill, for these Reasons following; videlicet,

"That it appears to us, these Two Manors were sold by the Earl of Derby, and in Pursuance of Contracts desired and made by himself: That the Purchasers are now in Possession thereof by good Assurances in Law, as Deeds enrolled, Feossments, Fines, Recoveries passed from the Earl and his Lady: That we conceive, by a future Law, to destroy Assurances which are good by the Standing Law, is of dangerous Consequence, and in this Case unreasonable, where the Contracts and Conveyances have appeared voluntary, and desired on the Earl's Part, in whom there was no Disability to grant or convey, and the Proceedings on the Part of the Purchasers to have been without Colour either of Error or Crime: That we think it not reasonable, by a new Law, to create an Equity of Redemption, after a Purchase fairly transacted and perfected, nor to require any Accompt from the Purchasers, when, from the Nature of the Purchase, we cannot reasonably expect it; and particularly we think it beyond all Pretence of Justice, that they should be required to accompt for the Sum of Nine Thousand Pounds, which they received for the Redemption of Hawardine, without any Allowance made to them for the Purchase thereof, which they made by Direction of the Earl of Derby, and for his Use, and were only reimbursed in this Sum of Nine Thousand Pounds, according to their Articles, when the said Earl sold this Manor to Serjeant Glynne; and the Business of Hawardine is altogether foreign both to the Title and Substance of the Bill, and concerning which there hath not been any Thing heard at the Bar or otherwise.

"Besides, we cannot look upon this but as a Breach of the Act of Judicial Proceedings, when, by a new Law, we take away the Force of those Fines and Recoveries which by that Act were made good; and no less than a Trenching on the Act of Indemnity and Oblivion, when an Estate so fairly derived must be looked upon as destroyed only in Favour of the Earl of Derby, when no Argument from the Demerits of the Purchase could persuade it; and that this is of such a Consequence, as the same Favour can never be denied to any hereafter that shall ask it, which of Necessity will infer a general Violation of that Act. This Bill tendeth to vacate the great Assurances of the Realm before mentioned; which may be of dangerous Consequence, as to render buying and selling of Land insecure, uncertain, and doubtful; it brings Titles into Examination in Parliament after Judgements given, as those of Fines, contrary to the Statute of 4 H. IV. Cap. 22.; it doth not restore the Consideration given for the Purchase; it creates Suits and Contentions between the Parties, who have not, nor can have any, about the said Lands without this Act: Whereas the Authority of Parliament ought to be of last Resort, and to mend and end the Work of other Courts; but not to make Work for them. It seems to pass too soon; the Cause appearing in the Body of it not to be ripe for Determination. And it is without Precedent, for Part of a Cause to be judged in one Court, and the rest of it in another. Besides, the Bill mentioneth some Practices of the Purchasers, which we conceive not proved.

"Clarendon, C.

Brecknock, S.

E. Manchester.

J. Robertes.

Bedford.

Bristol.

A. Northumberland.

C. Warwicke.

J. Bridgewater.

Stafford.

H. Arundell.

Chesterfeild.

Exeter.

W. Grey.

Portland.

Anglesey.

P. Wharton.

Windesor.

Abergevenny.

Scarsdale.

Essex.

Suffolke.

Will. Pagett.

Fauconberg.

Carlisle."

Adjourn.

Dominus Cancellarius declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque in diem craftinum, videlicet, 7um diem instantis Februarii, hora decima Aurora, Dominis sic decernentibus.