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Epus. Duresm. & Crew.
Epus. Lich. & Cov.
Epus. Bath & Well.
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Ds. North & Grey.
Ds. Grey W.
Bill for taking; &c. the Public Accompts; Lords Reasons for adhering to Amendment.
The Earl of Sunderland reported from the Lords
Committees, the Reasons drawn by them, for their Lordships insisting on their Amendment made to the Bill,
intituled, "An Act for the taking, examining, and
stating, the Public Accompts of the Kingdom."
Which were read, and agreed to, as follow; (videlicet,)
"The Lords insist upon the Amendment in 1st Skin,
L. 15, made by their Lordships to the Bill, intituled,
An Act for the taking, examining, and stating, the
Public Accompts of the Kingdom."
"The Lords cannot but observe, the Commons, in
Justification of their Disagreement to the Lords
Amendments, offer again the same Reasons which
they made Use of in the Year 1691, and which they
know had then no Weight with the Lords.
"1. To the First Reason given by the Commons, at
the Conference, the Lords answer, "That, in the Act
passed in the 19th of King Charles the Second, for
taking the Public Accompts, the Commissioners thereby constituted were named by the House of Commons; which the Lords agreed to, as well because
they approved of the Number and Quality of the
Persons, as because they were not Members of the
House of Commons, and therefore might always be
sent for, at the Pleasure of the Lords, to explain any
Matters relating to those Accompts, to justify their
Observations, and to receive such Directions as the
Lords should judge necessary for the Public Service
to give thereupon: But, since the Commissioners have
been all Members of the House of Commons, the
Lords have found, by Experience, that they cannot
have that Assistance and Light from them which is
necessary to their Examination; the House of Commons not suffering their Members to attend without
Leave, and refusing it when the Lords desired it;
such Leave being particularly denied this Session, not
only with respect to the Commissioners, but to the
Accomptant, which put a total Stop to the Lords
farther Proceedings in examining the Commissioners
"2. As to the Second Reason; their Lordships reply,
"That they are unwilling to enter into a Dispute
with the House of Commons, what is the proper
Work of either House, in relation to the granting
Supplies to the Crown: But they must always insist
upon their undoubted Right of taking and examining
all Accompts of Public Money. And certainly the
present Case can admit of no Dispute; for, since the
Bill provides that the Accompts be laid before the
Lords, it must be owned, that it is the proper Work
of this House to examine them.
"The Lords have made such Progress in the Examination of the Accompts and Observations delivered
to them, in the last as well as the present Session,
that, to their Surprize, they have found many great
Errors and Mistakes in the Observations of the Commissioners; which the Lords are ready to communicate to the House of Commons, as well to do Justice
to the Persons concerned, as for the Information of
that House, and for the Public Service."
"As to what the Commons said, in the Conference,
"That no Commoner could be named for any Public Employment, unless by the House of Commons;"
it is an Assertion without any Foundation, and contrary to a Multitude of Precedents: And the Lords
do insist, that they have an equal Right with the
Commons, to name Salaries, to be paid them out of
the Exchequer, for such Persons as they shall appoint
for Public Service.
"And whereas it was objected by the Commons,
"That the Lords had agreed to several Bills, wherein the Commissioners for Public Accompts were solely named by the House of Commons; and that therefore they are suprized to find the Lords make such an
Amendment to this Bill:" The Lords answer, "That
they did not foresee the great Inconveniencies that
might arise from naming Members of the House of
Commons only to be Commissioners, so fully as has of
late appeared by Experience." But they farther say,
"That there having been, many Years, Reports
raised, and with much Industry spread abroad, that
great Sums of Money had been misapplied or embezzled, and converted to the Advantage of private
Persons, the Lords were willing to put that Matter
into any Method of Examination that might be most
likely to conduce to the Discovery of such Abuses;
and, because it was imagined that Persons in great
Stations were concerned, who might bastle the Inquiry of any but Members of the House of Commons, the Lords agreed to such Commissioners, in
order to make the Experiment; but never intended
thereby to depart from any Right. And the Commissioners having no, in so many Years, detected any
considerable Fraud or Abuse, as was expected from
them, the Lords think it now absolutely necessary to
add some others, who, being eminent Citizens, of
great Abilities, known Integrity, and Experience in
Accompts, may give the Members Assistance in so
useful and difficult a Service. Though the House of
Commons have thought fit to tell us what Resolution
they came to, in relation to the Commissioners of Accompts; we doubt not they intend to leave the House
of Lords to act according to their own Judgement:
And since the House of Commons, notwithstanding
that Resolution, ["That the Commissioners of Accompts have discharged their Trust to the general
Good of the whole Nation,"] have not named them
all again in this Bill, but have left out Two Gentlemen of the former Commission, the Lords have taken
the Liberty to leave out a Third. The Lords hope
the House of Commons will agree with them in this
Amendment, when they are informed that it was
made according to a Rule which they laid down to
themselves, as appears by their Printed Votes, "That
no Person should be named a Commissioner of Accompts, who was accomptable to Her Majesty."
"That Colonel Bierly was so accomptable, appeared
to the Lords in this Manner:
"Isaac Tarry and William Nicholson petitioned the
Lords, on Behalf of themselves and others, Soldiers
of the Regiment of Horse commanded by Major General Windham, formerly by Colonel Bierly; complaining, "That there was due to them a considerable
Arrear;" and praying, "That Colonel Bierly may be
obliged to accompt with and pay the said Regiment."
The Lords inquired into that Matter; and did find,
That Major General Windham did represent to the
Commissioners for stating the Debt due to the Army,
"That, of the Sum of £. 28,227. 2 s. 9&frac1/2; d. with which
Colonel Bierly stood charged, he did discharge himself
of no more than the Sum of £. 22,641. 10. s. 11&frac3/4; d.;"
so that there remains the Sum of £. 5,585. 11 s. 9&frac3/4; d.
for which Colonel Bierly is still accomptable: And
the Lords do not think it proper, that One who is
charged to have so much Public Money in his Hands
should be a Commissioner of Accompts.
"Nothing of this appeared to the Lords, when he
was named in the former Bills; and there is Reason
to believe, that Colonel Bierly might have made Use
of the Authority of a Commissioner of Accompts, to
cover his Neglect in accompting, as well for that this
is the only Regiment whose Accompts are not adjusted, as also because there has been more done
towards settling the Accompt since his Name was left
out of the Bill than was done in many Years before,
if we are rightly informed.
"If the Commons think fit to agree with the Lords
in the Number of the Commissioners, they may, if
they please, alter the Quorum, as an Amendment to
the Lords Amendment, to which the Lords may
agree; though there have been Commissions of a
higher Nature, wherein the Quorum was less than the
Majority of the Commissioners, and no Absurdities
nor Inconveniencies happened from it.
"As to the Clause marked (A), the Lords do not insist on that Amendment; they having agreed to a
Clause to the same Effect in the Bill, intituled, "An
Act for punishing Mutiny and Desertion," &c. But
they must observe, that that Bill came up to the
Lords since they made that Amendment, by which
the Commons shew there was a Necessity of such a
Clause; and they must also observe, that though the
Lords might have thought there was Reason to make
Amendments to that Clause, and to several other
Parts of that Bill, yet they were obliged to pass the
Bill without any Amendments; or else this Bill, so
necessary for the Discipline of the Forces, would have
been in Danger of being lost, by the Adjournment of
the House of Commons for a Week; which was never done before at the End of a Session, when Bills,
and Conferences upon them, were depending.
"Though the Lords have not the same Opinion of
the Execution of the late Commission of Accompts,
as the Commons expressed at the Conference; yet they
shall be very unwilling that this Bill should be lost;
and hope the Commons will not suffer it to fall, by
disagreeing to such reasonable and useful Amendments; and, for that Reason, their Lordships insist
upon their First Amendment, but not upon that of
the Clause marked (A)."
Message to H. C. for a Conference about it.
Then, a Message was sent to the House of Commons,
by Sir Richard Holford and Mr. Pitt:
To desire a present Conference, with the House of
Commons, in the Painted Chamber, upon the Subjectmatter of the last Conference.
List of all Causes depending in Chancery, to be laid before the House:
It is ORDERED, by the Lords Spiritual and Temporal in Parliament assembled, That the Lord Keeper of
the Great Seal of England do order the Registers of the
Court of Chancery to lay before this House, on the First
Day of the next Session of Parliament, a List of all
Causes depending in that Court.
And a List of Chancery Fees.
It is ORDERED, by the Lords Spiritual and Temporal in Parliament assembled, That the Six Clerks, Registers, and all other Officers in or belonging to the
Court of Chancery, do lay before this House, on the
First Day of the next Session of Parliament, Lists of all
Fees taken or claimed by them, or any of them, for Business done in their several Offices in Chancery.
Poor Laws, Judges to consider.
It is ORDERED, by the Lords Spiritual and Temporal in Parliament assembled, That all the Judges do consider of the Laws now in Force, relating to the Poor,
and of the Defects of the same; and that they do prepare a Bill, to be laid before this House the First Day
of the next Session of Parliament, for preventing the
Increase and Charge of the Poor of this Kingdom; and
for the better maintaining and employing the Poor, by
erecting Workhouses, or otherwise.
Answer from H. C.
The Messengers sent to the House of Commons return Answer:
That the Commons will give a present Conference,
Message from thence, to return DeHaut's & al. Nat. Bill.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons,
by Sir Francis Marsham and others:
To return the Bill, intituled, "An Act for naturalizing Henry de Haut, George Chabot, and others;"
and to acquaint this House, that they have agreed to
the same, with some Amendments, whereunto they desire the Concurrence of this House.
Which Amendments, being read Thrice, were agreed
to; and ORDERED, That the Commons have Notice
Then, the Commons being come to the Conference,
the House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the Lords
went to the Conference.
Which being ended, the House was resumed.
Bill for taking. &c. the Public Accompts, Report of the Conference upon.
And the Duke of Bolton reported, "That the Lords
had attended the Conference; and delivered the Bill
and the Reasons to the Commons, as commanded."
The House was adjourned during Pleasure, to robe.
After some Time, the House was resumed.
Her Majesty, being seated on Her Royal Throne,
adorned with Her Crown and Regal Ornaments, attended with Her Officers of State (the Peers being also
in their Robes); commanded the Deputy Gentleman
Usher of the Black Rod to signify to the House of Commons, "That it is Her Majesty's Pleasure, they attend
Her presently, in the House of Peers."
Who being come; their Speaker made a short
Speech, in relation to the Money Bills to be passed.
Then the Clerk of the Parliaments took the said Bills
from the Hands of the Speaker, and brought them to
the Table; where the Clerk of the Crown read the
Titles of them, and the Bills following, severally; (videlicet,)
"1. An Act for granting to Her Majesty an additional Subsidy of Tonnage and Poundage for Three
Years; and for laying a further Duty upon French
Wine;, condemned as lawful Prize; and for ascertaining the Values of unrated Goods imported from
The Last Indias."
"2. An Act for the making more effectual Her Majesty's Gracious Intentions, for the Augmentation of
the Maintenance of the Poor Clergy, by enabling
Her Majesty to grant in Perpetuity the Revenues
of the First Fruits and Tenths; and also for enabling
any other Persons to make Grants for the same Purpose."
"3. An Act for the better securing and regulating
the Duties upon Salt."
"4. An Act for the better and more regular paying
and assigning the Annuities, after the Rate of Three
Pounds per Centum per Annum, payable to several
Bankers, and other Patentees, or those claiming under them."
To these Bills the Clerk of the Parliaments pronounced the Royal Assent, severally, in these
"La Reyne remercie ses bons Subjects, accepte leur
Benevolence, & ainsi le veult."
"5. An Act for punishing Mutiny, Desertion, and
false Musters; and for better paying of the Army
and Quarters, and for satisfying divers Arrears; and
for a further Continuance of the Powers of the Five
Commissioners for examining and determining the Accompts of the Army."
"6. An Act for the further Explanation and Regulation of Privilege of Parliament, in relation to Persons in Public Offices."
"7. An Act for raising the Militia for the Year One
Thousand Seven Hundred and Four, notwithstanding
the Month's Pay formerly advanced be not repaid."
"8. An Act for the better charging several Accomptants with Interest-monies by them received, and
to be received."
"9. An Act for raising Recruits for the Land Forces
and Marines; and for dispensing with Part of the
Act for the Encouragement and Increase of Shipping
and Navigation, during the present War."
"10. An Act to enlarge the Time for the Purchasers of the forfeited Estates in Ireland to make
the Payments of their Purchase-money."
"11. An Act for the Discharge out of Prison such
Insolvent Debtors as shall serve, or procure a Person
to serve, in Her Majesty's Fleet or Army."
"12. An Act for prolonging the Time, by an Act of
Parliament made in the First Year of Her Majesty's
Reign, for importing Thrown Silk, of the Growth of
Sicily, from Leghorne."
To these Bills the Clerk of the Parliaments pronounced the Royal Assent, severally, in these
"La Reyne le veult."
"13. An Act to vest the Manor of Hanslop and Castlethrop, and all other the Lands and Hereditaments
of Sir Peter Tyrril Baronet, and Thomas Tyrril Esquire
his Son, in the County of Bucks, in Trustees, to sell
Part thereof, for Payment of Debts; and to settle
other Lands and Hereditaments there, being of an
equal Value, in Lieu of Lands to be sold."
"14. An Act to enable Sir John Cowper Knight, and
Anthony Henley Esquire, to make a Partition, and grant
Building Leases, of several Messuages and Tenements,
in Lincolne's Inn Fields, in the Parishes of St. Gyles in
the Fields and St. Clement's Danes, in the County of
"15. An Act to vest Part of the Estate of Sir Christopher Philipson Knight in Trustees, to be sold, for
Payment of Debt; and for charging Part thereof
with Maintenance for a Daughter, who is a Lunatic."
"16. An Act for vesting the Manor of Yeovilton,
in the County of Somerset, and other Lands therein
mentioned, of William Cary Esquire, in Trustees, for
discharging Incumbrances, and making Provision for
his Younger Children; and settling other Lands, in
the County of Devon, in Lieu thereof."
"17. An Act for vesting divers Manors and Lands
of Mathew Holworthy Esquire in Trustees, to be sold;
and purchasing other Manors or Lands, of equal
Value; and limiting the Manors or Lands, to be purchased, to the same Uses as the Lands to be sold are
"18. An Act for enabling Bernard Cotton Esquire
to sell some Part of his Estate, for Payment of his
Debts; and for confirming several Conveyances, already made, of several other Parcels of his Estate,
by himself and Trustees, to several Purchasers thereof."
"19. An Act to charge the Estate of Ambrose Andrews Gentleman with Monies, for Payment of Debts;
and for supplying some Defects in the Settlement of
the said Estate, for making a Jointure and Leases upon
the said Estate."
"20. An Act to establish and confirm a Partition
and Agreement, of and touching the Estate of Sir
Thomas Style, late of Wateringbury, in the County of
"21. An Act for settling the Estate of Doctor Thomas Lamplugh deceased, pursuant to his Marriage Articles, and Settlement prepared for that Purpose; and
for Provision for his Younger Children."
"22. An Act for the better vesting in Giles Frampton Esquire the Manor and Farm of Mcorton, alias
Moreton, and Hurst, in the County of Dorset, in Possession; and for the better securing the same, and
the other Manors, Farms, Messuages, Lands, Tenements, and Hereditaments, late of William Frampton
Esquire, deceased, to him the said Giles Frampton,
and such as are entitled in Remainder after him, upon
the Death of Tregonwell Frampton Esquire."
"23. An Act to enable George Evelyn Esquire to
raise Portions for his Brothers and Sisters, according
to his Father's Will."
"24. An Act for Sale of Part of the Estate of
James Torr Gentleman, deceased, for Payment of his
Debts; and for settling other Part thereof to the
Uses therein mentioned."
"25. An Act to subject the Estate of Robert Coke,
of Trusley, in the County of Derby, Esquire, and
William Coke, his Son and Heir Apparent, to the Payment of the said Robert Coke's Debts; and to make
Provision for the Wife and Younger Children of the
said William Coke."
"26. An Act for the setting aside a voluntary Settlement made by Mary Fermor Widow; and for ratifying a Partition made of the Manors of Mersham and
Pett, and divers Lands in the County of Sussex, between her and Bartholomew Walmesley Esquire and
"27. An Act for the Improvement of the Estate of
John Briscoe Esquire, in the County of Cumberland."
"28. An Act for making good the Provision intended for Captain James Roche, out of the forfeited
Estates in Ireland; and for restoring to the Bishopric
of Cloyne, in the said Kingdom, the Manor and Lands
"29. An Act for setting aside voluntary Settlements
made by John Hawe Gentleman, of Estates, in the
Counties of Stafford and Warwick, and settling some
Part of his Estate upon the said John Hawe and his
Son; and for making Provision for the Maintenance
of his Son and Daughter, and raising a Portion for
such Daughter, and selling the Residue for Payment
of his Debts."
"30. An Act for Sale of the Estate of John Digby
Esquire, deceased, in the County of Buckingham, and
dividing the Money between Sir John Conway Baronet and Richard Mostyn Esquire; and for settling the
Estate of Sir John Conway, in the County of Flint,
and making Provision for his Son and Daughter, according to an Agreement for that Purpose."
"31. An Act for the further recompensing of John
Baker Gentleman, and his Family, for the Services
of Colonel Baker at London-Derry in Ireland; and for
stating the Accompts of the late Receivers of the
Rents and Profits of the forfeited Estates in Ireland."
"32. An Act, that the Ships The Golden Starr and
Bull, being taken as Prizes, and condemned, may
have Freedom of trading as English Ships."
"33. An Act to naturalize Daniel Barbier, John
Kerron du Chesne, and others."
"34. An Act for naturalizing Henry de Haut, George
Chabot, and others."
To these Bills the Clerk of the Parliaments pronounced the Royal Assent, severally, in the
Words following; (videlicet,)
"Soit fait come il est desiré."
Then Her Majesty was pleased to say as followeth:
"My Lords and Gentlemen,
"I cannot put an End to this Session, without returning you Thanks, for the Willingness which you
have all expressed to support and assist Me, in continuing the present War.
"And I must thank you, Gentlemen of the House of
Commons, very particularly, for the great Forwardness and Zeal which you have shewn, both in the
early Dispatch of the Supplies, and in making them
so effectual for carrying on the Public Expence, without any additional Burthens upon the Country: It
shall be My Care, to improve this, to the best Advantage.
"My Lords and Gentlemen,
"At the Opening of this Session, I did earnestly express My Desires of seeing you in perfect Unity among
yourselves, as the most effectual Means imaginable to
disappoint the Ambition of our Enemies, and reduce
them to an honourable and lasting Peace: And
though this has not met with all that Success which
I wished and expected, yet, being fully convinced
that nothing is so necessary to our common Welfare,
I am not discouraged from persisting in the same earnest Desires, that you would go down into your several Countries so disposed to Moderation and Unity,
as becomes all those who are joined together in the
same Religion and Interest.
"This, I am persuaded, will soon make you sensible
that nothing, next to the Blessing of GOD, can so
much contribute to our Success Abroad, and to our
Safety at Home."
Then the Lord Keeper, by Her Majesty's Command,
"My Lords and Gentlemen,
"It is Her Majesty's Royal Will and Pleasure, That
this Parliament should be prorogued to Tuesday the
Fourth Day of July next: And this Parliament is accordingly prorogued to Tuesday the Fourth Day of
Examined, this 12th Day of June, 1704, by us,