House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 20 April 1604 (2nd scribe)

Veneris, 20o Die Aprilis, 1604

Jermye's Decree.

SIR Tho. Jermye's Bill: - The first Reading. - A Bill for the Making void a Decree in Chancery, and of the Assurance made thereupon by Sir Tho. Jermy, Knight, and Dame Joane his Wife, by [a] Sir Mark Styward, Knight, of certain Lands and Tenements in the Isle of Ely, in the County of Cambridge: - The first Reading.

Wool Trade.

The Bill for the Ordering of Woollen Weavers and Spinsters, and against Licences to buy Wools, and to transport Woollen Cloth.

Manslaughter.

Mr. Bond preferreth a Bill, for taking away the Benefit of Clergy, for some kind of Manslaughter: - First Reading.

This Bill first read; Sir Oliver . .. secondeth the Speech; and wisheth, some Project be admitting [b], for preventing all Quarrels.

Sir Tho. Waller moveth, that no Man might wear Daggers.

Simpson's Debt.

The Bill for Saving harmless the Warden of the Fleet, and for Securing Simpson's Debt, in Sir Tho. Shirleyes Case, brought in from the Committees, by Mr. Moore, with Amendments. The Amendments read twice; and ordered to be ingrossed.

Privilege in Executions.

The Bill for the Relief of Plaintiffs in Writs of Execution, where the Defendants in such Writs have been arrested, and set at Liberty by the Parliament: - The first Reading.

Extortion.

An Act for the better Execution of Justice, formerly intituled, An Act touching Extortion : - Third Reading, and passed, upon the Question.

Sir Jo. Heigham, pro; Mr. Hitcham, pro; Sir Tho. Holcroft, Mr. Wyseman, Mr. D. Steward, Mr. Fra. Moore, contra, Mr. Ryvers, Mr. Overberry, contra; Mr. Hyde, pro; Mr. Fuller, contra; Mr. Martin, contra; Mr. Yelverton, pro; Sir Geo. Carewe, contra.

Additions, in the Bill, twice read, and ingrossed.

The Bill thrice read, and passed, upon the Question.

Mr. James thinketh, this Law will do no Good ; and reporteth, that he, being in Spaine, committed a Fault, by which he was to forfeit all he had. The Corrigidor had his Broker, and told him, and others in the same Fault, that they must go to such a Place, and lay down so much Money ; whereof the Corrigidor never took notice.

Union with Scotland.

The Union. -

Sir Wm. Morrice: - If a King be King of Three Kingdoms (if there be no Emperor already of those Kingdoms) he may take upon him the Name of Emperor. -

Amo omen, non amo nomen. -

A Man's Speech the Monopoly of the Matter.

Mr. Hoskins: - Unum continuum: One Continent. -

An old Mould, to cast a new Frame into.

Saving to England his Honour: Saving to every honest Heart his Opinion. -

Scotland was held of England by Homage : The Tenancy and Seigniory are come together. -

The Adder shall tread him upon his Heel, that breaketh down the Hedge.

Sir Daniell Dunn : - Two Questions. - To grow to the Question of the Conference.

Mr. Lawton: - No Union of the Name before the Union of Government - Ecclesia Anglicana, gens Anglicana.

Sir Maurice Berkley: - 1. Frivolous : 2. Dangerous, to confer of the Alteration of the Name. - Either proceed with Danger, or desist with Shame.

Sir Geo. Moore: - Eccl. "In the Mouth of a King there " is Power, and who shall say, What doest thou ?" -

1. Whether a new: 2. Whether now to give it: 3. What the Name shall be. -

Reasonable, and profitable, a new Name. -

A World of Changes. - Quid mirum, cum omnia mutentur, locorum et rerum nomina immutentur ? - Ex re nomen habet. -

Reasons: The Change of the Thing in Nature: The Benefit of both : The -

Gratia et beneficium, the greatest Cause of Concord : The greater Mischief, by continuing disjointed and divided.

Not to resolve of the Name.

Sir John Bennett: - Non persuadebor etiam si persuaseris. - A Committee be named, for Conference.

Mr. Holt: - The Union proceeded in, many Degrees; therefore the Name not strange. -

Let us, like Astrologers, look to the Stars of our State: See their Motion, their Influence, &c.

Sir Edwyn Sands: - Question, whether to alter the Name, so as we extinguish the old.

Mr. Secretary Herbert: - We mistaken, the King mistaken, in the Propositions. -

In taking the Name of Brittaine, will not take away England: - Take away no Dignities, Privileges, &c. of either Nation. - England, Scotland, Ireland, the Isles adjacent, in One Union. The Government of other Countries to be brought to ours.

Mr. Speaker putteth the Question :

1. For a Conference. - Resolved.

2. A Conference presently, for an Union in Name.

For Union in Governments a Conference for Commissioners.

Nothing to be said by the House, until the Lords first made an Overture and Narration : Then the Reasons of that Narration: Then the Lords to deliver their Conceits and Opinions.

First to attend, 1. Repetition or Iteration of their Lordships Motion: 2. The Reasons of their Motion: 3. The Particularity of their Opinions.

1. To confer,, whether there shall be a Commission, and Commissioners nominated.

2. Whether it be fit to confer, touching the Alteration of the Name before the Union in Government be treated, and resolved ; but that the Name, in the mean time to be questioned.

To confer, and treat, and debate, of these Things, according to the Occasion given; but not to conclude of any thing.

All the former Committees, for the Union, to attend this Afternoon upon the King, at Two a Clock.