House of Commons Journal Volume 2
29 July 1641

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 29 July 1641', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 2: 1640-1643 (1802), pp. 228-230. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=1594 Date accessed: 24 July 2014.


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Die Jovis, 29 Julii, 1641.

PRAYERS.

Popham's Estate.

2da vice lecta est Billa, AN Act for the Settling and Establishing of the Remainder of a Term of Fourof the Remainder of a Term of Four score Years to come, in certain Manors and Lands in the County of Somerset, in Sir Francis Popham Knight, and his Assigns: Upon Question, committed unto Mr. Glyn, Mr. Prideaux, Mr. Rigby, Lord Falkland, Mr. Hide, Mr. Pury, Mr. Peard, Sir Arthur Ingram, Sir Bevill Greenvile, Sir Walter Erle, Sir Arth. Haslerigge, Sir Rich. Buller, Sir Wm. Lewis, Mr. Hill, Mr. Hampden, Sir Sam. Rolle, Mr. Waddon, Mr. Vassall, Mr. Kirton, Sir Tho. Cheeke, Mr. Selden, Sir Tho. Woodhowse, Mr. Bassett, Mr. Ashe, Mr. Moore, Sir Wm. Portman, Mr. Hoyle, Sir Tho. Barrington, Mr. Pine, Mr. Coningsby, and all the Lawyers of the House: And are to meet on Saturday next at Two post meridiem, in the Court of Wards.

Lord Lieutenants, &c.

That the Knights and Burgesses of the several Counties do forthwith bring in to the Committee, for the Bill concerning the Trained Bands, where Sir Walter Erle has the Chair, a List of all the Lord Lieutenants, and Deputy Lieutenants, within the several Counties.

Declaration against Earl of Bridge water, &c.

The Commons Declaration, upon the Complaint of Sir John Corbett Baronet, against John Earl of Bridgewater, Wm. Archbishop of Canterbury & al. was twice read; and voted upon the Question; and assented unto, to be transmitted unto the Lords; and upon a Second Question, ordered to be ingrossed.

Resolved, upon the Question, That the Sons of Thomas Lord Coventry, late Lord Keeper of the Great Seal of England, and Richard late Archbishop of Yorke, shall be struck out of the Title and Conclusion; and that the Word " Lord" before the Word " Archbishop" shall be struck out.

Provisions in case of King's Absence.

Ordered, That the Committee appointed to consider, what is fit to be presented to the House, concerning the King's being out of the Kingdom when the Parliament is sitting, shall have Power to look into Commissions formerly granted; and to consider, whether it be fit that the King should grant forth any Commissions at his going now into Scotland.

Dawe's Creditors.

Ordered, That the humble Petition of Francis Warner, One of the Creditors of Sir Abraham and Sir Thomas Dawes, be referred to the Consideration of the Committee for the Customers, to which the Petitions of others, the Creditors of the said Sir Abraham and Sir Thomas Dawes, is referred.

Abolishing Episcopacy.

According to an Order Yesterday made, the House was resolved into a Committee.

Mr. Hide was called to the Chair.

And the Committee proceeded to the Consideration of the Bill concerning Episcopacy.

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.

Letter read.

A Letter from the Earl of Holland to the Earl of Essex was read; and then re-delivered to Mr. Hollis, who brought it in.

Poll and Loan-money.

Mr. Venn presents an Account of Poll and Loanmoney; July 28th.

£.
First Loan, before the 27th of July, - - 10,650
Second Loan, the 27th and 28th July, - - 24,300
Sum Total 34,950
Poll-money, before the 28th July, - - 15,303
Poll-money, the 28th July, - - - - 2,766
Poll Total 18,069
Loan Total 34,950
Loan 53,019
Payments.
To Sir Wm. Uvedale - - - - - 17,000
For the Northern Counties - - - - 32,104
Total of Payments 49,104
Remains in Cash - - - - 3,915
In my Lord of Warwick's Hands - - - 25,000
Loan-money from the City - - - - 40,000
Old Customers - - - - - - 18,700
New Customers - - - - - 5,000
Poll-money - - - - - - 1,000
Sir Martin Lumley - - - - - 1,000
105,700

Committees added.

Mr. Hill, Sir Martin Lumley, Sir John Colpepper, Mr. Rigby, Serjeant Wilde, Mr. Weston, Mr. Hoyle, Mr. Aslie, are added to the Committee for Mr. Smarte.

Loan.

Sir Martin Lumley will lend One thousand Pounds, and pay it in anon.

Army, &c. Accounts.

Sir Wm. Uvedale, Sir Robert Pye, Mr. Wheeler, Mr. Cage, Sir John Colpepper, Sir John Hotham, Mr. Hampden, Captain Venn, Sir Wm. Widdrington, Sir Jo. Harrison, Sir Philip Stapleton;

This Committee is to retire, presently, into the Court of Wards, to adjust the Accounts of the Monies due to the Armies; and of the Monies in Cash: And have Power to send for any Persons and Accounts whatsoever, as they shall think, may conduce to the same.

Billet-money.

It is this Day Ordered, by the House of Commons, That the Lord General of his Majesty's Army be desired from this House to appoint some Officers of the Field, to join with such Gentlemen of Yorkeshire, and the rest of the Counties, respectively, where Horse or Foot have been billeted, as the Knights and Burgesses of those Counties shall nominate to his Lordship, forthwith to examine what Sums of Money are due to every of the Inhabitants of those Counties, for the Billet of the Soldiers and Officers both Horse and Foot, together with their Horses; as also for such Men and Horses, both for the Train of the Artillery, as of such Waggon-horses, as have been billeted upon the Counties; from the Fourteenth of June, till the Army be totally disbanded: And that they certify, what Sums of Money are and will be due to the Counties, respectively, at the total Disbanding of the same. It is further Ordered, That the said Billetmoney, appearing to be due upon Account, as aforesaid, shall be deducted out of the Soldiers Pay, according to former Orders.

Ordered, That Mr. Speaker shall write his Letter to the Lord General, to desire his Care in this Behalf accordingly.

Mr. Speaker left the Chair.

Mr. Hide called to the Chair.

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.

Message to Lords.

Lord Herbert went up with this Message to the Lords; to acquaint their Lordships, that, upon some great Affairs, this House is resolved to sit this Afternoon; and desire their Lordships would do the like if it may stand with their Conveniency.

House to sit, &c.

Ordered, That the House shall sit this Afternoon, at Two of Clock, and be resolved into a Grand Committee, to proceed with the Bill concerning Episcopacy: And that no Committee shall sit, but that concerning the Securing of the Money lent upon the Bill of Poll-money, and the Committee for the Bill concerning Trained Bands.

Ship-money.

1a vice lecta est Billa, An Act for Restitution of certain Sums of Money collected for Ship-money, and for Restraint of Suits for the same.

Bargemen, &c. working on Sunday.

3a vice lecta est Billa, An Act to restrain Bargemen, Lightermen, and others, to labour upon the Lord's Day, commonly called Sunday; and, upon Question, passed.

Speaking against King and Parliament.

Ordered, That whereas Information was this Day given, to this House, of dangerous and wicked Words, spoken by one Mr. John Smith, a Minister, against the King and Parliament; for which he is committed to the Compter in Southwarke:

Ordered, That he continue there still, till this House give further Order to the contrary: And the Examination of this Business is referred to the Consideration of the Committee for Recusants, where Mr. Whitakers is in the Chair.

Message to Lords.

Whereas the Lord Herbert is sent up to the Lords with a Message, to desire their Lordships to sit this Afternoon: But in regard the Committee is ready to go to a present Conference, and that the Lord Herbert is not yet called in to the Lords: Therefore

Disbanding the Armies &c.

Ordered, That Mr. Hampden do go to the Lord Herbert, and desire him to acquaint the Lords, that this House desires a Conference, by a Committee of both Houses, as soon as it stands with their Lordships Conveniency, concerning the Disbanding of both Armies.

Resolved, upon the Question, That the Ninth Day of August next, shall be the Day appointed for the Marching away of the Scotts Army.

Resolved, &c. That this shall be One Head of the Conference now desired with the Lords.

Lord Herbert brings Answer, that their Lordships will sit this Afternoon, at Four of Clock, and give a Meeting for a Conference, by a Committee of both Houses.

Resolved, &c. That one Head of the Conference shall be to acquaint their Lordships, that the Money due for the Relief of the Northern Counties is ready: And that, if they shall desire any reasonable Assistance for the Conveying of it, this House will be ready to assist them in the best manner they can.

Resolved, &c. That another Head shall be, to desire the Lords, that the English Commissioners shall move the Scotch Commissioners to put off the Time for the Payment of the Fourscore thousand Pounds, Part of the Brotherly Assistance, till the First of September: And that, notwithstanding, the House will pay it sooner, if they can.

Resolved, upon the Question, That another Head shall be, that after that the Scotts shall have declared their Assent of Disbanding, that then our Army shall be disbanded with all possible Speed, and the Horse to be first disbanded.

Consciences of Parliament-men.

Ordered, That the Committee appointed to consider of the Bill for regulating the Consciences of Parliamentmen, shall meet on Saturday next, in the Inner Court of Wards, at Two of the Clock, in the Afternoon.

Conference.

Sir Philip Stapleton, Sir John Colpepper, Mr. Pym, Sir John Hotham, Lord Dungarvon, are to manage this Conference.

Post Meridiem

MR.Speaker resumed the chair.

Committee of both Houses,

Ordered, That the Committee for the Ten Propositions shall, so soon as the Conference shall be ended, meet with the Committee of the Lords appointed for that Business.

Abolishing Episcopacy.

Ordered, That the House shall be resolved into a Committee To-morrow Morning, at Eight of Clock, to proceed with the Bill concerning Episcopacy.

Loan from the City.

Ordered, That the Lord Mayor shall forthwith pay to the Earl of Warwicke, for the Relief of the Northern Counties, the Forty thousand Pounds lately advanced by an Order of this House, by way of Loan, and to be repaid out of the Poll-money, with Interest: And that Acquittance or Acquittances, under the Hand of the Earl of Warwicke, shall be a sufficient Discharge for the Payment of the said Forty thousand Pounds.

Rowse's Estate.

1a vice lecta est Billa, An Act for the Sale of the Manor of Hogston, alias Hedgstowne, and other Lands in the County of Midd', for the Payment of the Debts and Legacies, and other Bequests, of Simon Rowse, Esquire, deceased.

Abolishing Episcopacy.

According to an Order made this Morning, the House was resolved into a Committee.

Mr. Hide was called to the Chair.

And the Committee proceeded with the Bill concerning Episcopacy.

Public Accounts.

£.
From the Sixteenth of October to the Twelfth of August, accounting Thirty Days to the Month, Two hundred Fifty-five thousand Pounds, amounts to, in all - - - - 255,000
The Shipping 4,000
Tot. 259,000
£.
Whereof, paid to my Lord of Warwicke 50,000
2,500
3,000
5,000
£. s. d.
Remains due to the Twelfth of August 104,000 0 0
Towards which remains, in his own Hands, 25,000 0 0
The old Customes - - - - - - - 18,796 7 0
New Customers - - - - - - - 5,000 0 0
Money to be lent in the House - - - 5,000 0 0
58,796 7 0
Remains - - - - - - - - - - 45,204 0 0
Of Loan-monies there, and others, - - 40,000 0 0
In Mr. Wheeler's Hands, &c. and in Mr. Paramor's Hands - - - - - - 4,000 0 0

Loan from the City.

A Message from the Lords, by Baron Henden * * * *;

The Lords desire a Conference, by a Committee of both Houses, concerning the Loan of Forty Thousand Pounds by the City; and concerning the last Conference; presently, in the Painted Chamber, if it may stand with the conveniency of this House.

Answer returned, by the same Messengers;

The House has taken their Lordships Message into Consideration; and is resolved to give a present Meeting, as is desired.

King's Journey into Scotland.

Resolved, upon the Question; That, after this Conference shall be ended, the House shall return, to resume the Debate of the Report now made from the Committee appointed to consider, what is fit to be presented concerning the King's Journey into Scotland.

Sir John Colpepper reports from the Committee appointed to consider of the King's Journey into Scotland, these Two Resolutions:

1. That the Lords be desired by this House, in a Conference, to join with this House in a Petition to his Majesty, to appoint a Custos Regni or Locum tenens, during his Absence out this Kingdom; and, amongst other things, in special, to give him Power to give the Royal Assent in Parliament; and to do such other Things as the King might do in Parliament, if he were present:

2. That his Majesty be likewise petitioned, that an Act of Parliament may pass, to this Effect; that such Commission shall not be repealed, until his Majesty's Return from Scotland to the City of London.

After some Debate of these Propositions in the House, it was, by the House, Resolved, upon the Question, as followeth:

1. That the Lords be desired by this House (in a Conference) to join with this House in a Petition to his Majesty, that his Majesty would be pleased to grant a Commission to One or more Person or Persons, to have the Power for a Custos Regni or Locum tenens during his Absence out of this Kingdom; and, amongst other things in especial, to grant to such Person or Persons Power to give the Royal Assent in Parliament; and to do such other things, as the King might do in Parliament, if he were present.

2. That his Majesty be likewise petitioned, that an Act of Parliament may pass to this Effect, that such Commission shall not be determined, until his Majesty return from Scotland to the Cities of London or Westminster, or be present in full Parliament.

Lord Falkland is appointed to go up to the Lords, Tomorrow Morning, to desire a Conference with their Lordships, by a Committee of both Houses, concerning his Majesty's Journey into Scotland.

Mr. Selden, Sir John Colpepper, Mr. Hollis, Mr. Pym, Mr. Hampden, Mr. Whitlocke, are to manage this Conference.

Commrs of Poll-money.

Whereas Information was this Day given to this House, that divers of the Commissioners for the County of Norfolke, appointed for the Levying of the Two last Subsidies, are appointed also Commissioners for the Raising of the Poll-money, by the same Names and Additions as in the said Act of Subsidies; that several of the said Commissioners, since the Making of the said Act, have had the Honour of Knighthood, or some other Honour, conferred upon them; which makes many of those Commissioners in doubt whether to execute the said Commissions, wanting the said Additions: The House doth declare, that notwithstanding this, they ought to execute the Commission for Levying of the Poll-money.