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23 June 1830

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Mercurii, 23 die Junii; Anno 11° Georgii IV ti Regis, 1830.
Glasgow and Kilmarnock Road Bill, passed. Fees Abolition Bill, to be printed, with Lords' Amendments. No. 571. Petition against Assimilation of Duties (Ireland.) Petition in favour of Northern Roads Bill. Address respecting Metropolis Police. Address respecting Consular Agents. Accounts relating to Londonderry Bridge, ordered. Petition for Duty on Importation of Lead. Petition against Road from Waterloo Bridge to North side of Metropolis. Return respecting Treasurers of Grand Juries (Ireland), ordered. Committee to inspect Lords Journals. Petition referred to a Committee. Burghs (Scotland) Police Bill, presented. No. 573. Return of Qualifications of Militia Officers, presented. Answer to Addresses. Statement respecting Forgeries in Scotland, presented. No. 572. Petition in favour of Labourers Wages Bill. Report of Labourers Wages Bill, further considered. Royal Assent to Bills. Report of Labourers Wages Bill, further considered. Court of Session (Scotland) Bill, passed. Labouring Poor Bill, deferred. Ways and Means, deferred. Supply deferred. Bankrupt Laws Bill, deferred. Dean Forest Bill, deferred. Additional Churches Bill, deferred. Debate on Court of Chancery, deferred. Constabulary (Ireland) Bill, deferred. Suits in Equity Bill, deferred. Chancery Register Bill, deferred. Masters in Chancery Bill, deferred. Stage Coach Proprietors Bill, deferred. County Rates (Ireland) Bill, deferred. Tithes Exchange Bill, deferred. Arms (Ireland) Bill, deferred. Report Ways and Means, deferred. Sale of Beer Bill, deferred. Almshouses Exemption Bill, deferred. Usury Laws Bill, deferred. Ecclesiastical Leases (Ireland) Bill, deferred. Half-Pay Apprentices Bill, deferred. Common Law Fees Bill, deferred. Committee on Beer and Cider Duties Acts, deferred. Assessed Taxes Composition Bill, deferred. Treasurer of the Navy Bill, deferred. Spirit Duties Bill, deferred. West India Spirits Bill, deferred.

Mercurii, 23 die Junii; Anno 11° Georgii IV ti Regis, 1830.

PRAYERS.

Glasgow and Kilmarnock Road Bill, passed.

AN ingrossed Bill for amending and continuing an Act for repairing Roads in the County of Renfrew, and for altering the Line of Road between Glasgow and Kilmarnock, in the said County, was read the third time; and an ingrossed Clause was added to the Bill, by way of rider.

Resolved, That the Bill do pass.

Ordered, That Mr. Chaplin do carry the Bill to the Lords, and desire their concurrence.

Fees Abolition Bill, to be printed, with Lords' Amendments. No. 571.

Mr. Speaker called the attention of the House to a Bill, intituled, "An Act to abolish Fees and Stamp Duties chargeable on the Renewal of all Appointments, Commissions, Grants, Pensions and Patents, consequent on the Demise of the Crown," to which the Lords have agreed, with Amendments; and recommended that the Bill, with the Amendments, should be printed, for the attentive consideration of the House, as well on account of the length, as of the importance of the Amendments.

Ordered, That the said Bill, as amended by the Lords, be printed.

Petition against Assimilation of Duties (Ireland.)

A Petition of Richard Butler, Churchwarden, and Chairman of a Meeting of the Inhabitants of Castlecomer, in the county of Kilkenny, was presented, and read; setting forth, That the said inhabitants deem it a duty which they owe to the Legislature, to themselves, and to the country, respectfully to call the attention of Parliament to the measure of Taxation which is at present contemplated by His Majesty's Ministers, and against which the opinion of almost every individual in Ireland is now decidedly formed; and praying, That the House will consider the expediency of rejecting measures which are likely only to render the condition of Ireland worse than what it is, without producing any material increase of the King's revenue.

Ordered, That the said Petition do lie upon the Table.

Petition in favour of Northern Roads Bill.

A Petition of the Magistrates and Town Council of the royal burgh of Arbroath, in the county of Forfar, was presented, and read; taking notice of the Bill for the improvement of the Roads from London to Edinburgh, and from London to Portpatrick; and for the further improvement of the Roads from London to Holyhead, and from London to Liverpool; and praying, That the same may pass into a law.

Ordered, That the said Petition do lie upon the Table.

Address respecting Metropolis Police.

Resolved, That an humble Address be presented to His Majesty, that He will be graciously pleased to give directions, that there be laid before this House, a Return of the number of Persons employed in each of the several Parishes of the Metropolis, for Watching and Police, previous to the Act of 1829 (which transferred these duties to Commissioners under the Secretary of State); stating their several grades, and the number of each, and the expense paid by each Parish for these services in the year 1828; also, the amount paid for the present Police Establishments by each Parish for the first six months in which the new Police has been established.

Ordered, That the said Address be presented to His Majesty by such Members of this House as are of His Majesty's most honourable Privy Council.

Address respecting Consular Agents.

Resolved, That an humble Address be presented to His Majesty, that He will be graciously pleased to give directions, that there be laid before this House, a Return of the number of British Ships, and their Tonnage, that entered each Port at which British Consular Agents are employed at annual Salaries, in the year 1828, as stated in the Parliamentary Return, dated the 10th, and ordered to be printed on the 11th June 1830.

Ordered, That the said Address be presented to His Majesty by such Members of this House as are of His Majesty's most honourable Privy Council.

Accounts relating to Londonderry Bridge, ordered.

Ordered, That there be laid before this House, an Account of the Expense incurred by the Corporation of the City of Londonderry, in rebuilding the Bridge over the Foyle, which had been carried away in 1814, the annual average produce of the Tolls of the said Bridge for three years previous to the year 1814, and also the annual produce of the Tolls collected by the Corporation of the City of Londonderry, pursuant to the Act 54 Geo. 3, c. 230, for the passage of the said Bridge; together with the annual Account of the Income of the said Corporation derived from other sources; and the annual Expense of maintaining the Bridge in repair.

Ordered, That there be laid before this House, an Account, showing whether any and what Sum has been funded towards the building a Stone Bridge in lieu of the present Wooden Bridge, pursuant to the provisions of the aforesaid Act.

Ordered, That there be laid before this House, an Account, showing whether any and what Sum has been expended in the construction of Quays, Wharfs, and other Public Buildings, out of the income of the Corporation of Londonderry.

Ordered, That there be laid before this House, an Account, showing to what charges the income of the said Corporation is liable, whether in the shape of Interest of Money, Rent, or otherwise.

Petition for Duty on Importation of Lead.

A Petition of Persons interested in working Lead Mines and smelting Lead Ores, in the county of Cornwall, was presented, and read; setting forth, That the Petitioners, in common with all those who are engaged in Lead-mining in the United Kingdom, have, since the year 1825, suffered severely from a continued decline in the price of Lead, which has now reached such an extent as to render Leadmining in that county no longer a profitable employment of capital, but a source of actual loss, thus creating great trouble and distress to all engaged therein; and praying the House to take into their consideration the distressed state of this branch of national industry, and grant them such an increase of the protecting Duty on the import of Foreign Lead for home consumption, and into our Colonies, as shall give the English Lead Miner a reasonable preference, and be somewhat proportionable to the disadvantages he labours under.

Ordered, That the said Petition do lie upon the Table; and be printed.

Petition against Road from Waterloo Bridge to North side of Metropolis.

A Petition of Freeholders, Leaseholders, and Inhabitant Householders of the Strand, and of Catherine-street, and Brydges-street, in the liberty of Westminster and county of Middlesex, was presented, and read; setting forth, That the Petitioners have heard, with great concern and alarm, that exertions are being made by certain individuals to obtain Parliamentary and Government aid in the formation of a new street, extending from Waterloo Bridge through that part of the Strand behind which the Theatre called the English Opera House lately stood; that, although the individuals above alluded to profess to be actuated by a regard to the public convenience, yet it is obvious that they are governed by private and interested motives; that there is at present a wide and extensive thoroughfare, by Catherine-street and Brydges-street, within twenty yards to the eastward of the proposed new street, and that such thoroughfare is fully commensurate for all purposes to the end of Brydges-street, and might be continued at a very trifling expense into Holborn; that, if the plan proposed were carried into execution, it would not only be attended with a most enormous expense, but would either render the existing thoroughfare useless, or there would be two streets running parallel to each other, within a distance of twenty yards, terminating almost at the same point; the Petitioners humbly hope that, before proceeding to legislate upon this subject, the House will take the Petitioners' case into consideration, and the great and irretrievable injury which they must necessarily sustain by the alteration proposed, inasmuch as they have paid very large sums of money for the houses which they respectively occupy, owing to the advantages derivable from the situation of their said residences, and of which advantages they will be in a great measure deprived, provided a new street should be constructed; and praying, That the House, in consideration of the injury that will necessarily be occasioned to the Petitioners by any such measure as that now proposed, will not grant any aid or encouragement to the parties originating the same.

Ordered, That the said Petition do lie upon the Table; and be printed.

Return respecting Treasurers of Grand Juries (Ireland), ordered.

Ordered, That there be laid before this House, a Return of the Cases in the last ten years where Legal Proceedings have been taken against the Treasurers of Grand Juries in Ireland, or against their Securities, for any Defalcations occasioned by them, and the Sums recovered; or the causes why such Proceedings were not instituted, so far as the same can be made out.

Committee to inspect Lords Journals.

Ordered, That a Committee be appointed to inspect the Journals of the House of Lords, with relation to any Proceedings upon the Bill, intituled, An Act for establishing and maintaining the Harbour of Port Crommelin, in the Bay of Cushenden, in the County of Antrim; and to make report thereof to the House:-And a Committee was appointed of Lord Viscount Castlereagh, Lord Arthur Hill, Mr. Moore, Mr. Croker, Mr. Brownlow, Mr. Spring Rice, General Hart: And they are to meet To-morrow, in the Speaker's Chamber.

Ordered, That Three be the Quorum of the Committee.

Petition referred to a Committee.

Ordered, That the Petition of the Master, Wardens and Brethren of the Corporation of Weavers or Guild of the Blessed Virgin Mary, city of Dublin, against the introduction of Poor Laws into Ireland, which was presented to the House upon Wednesday last, be referred to the Select Committee on Irish Poor.

Burghs (Scotland) Police Bill, presented. No. 573.

The Lord Advocate presented a Bill for establishing a general system of Police in the Burghs of Scotland: And the same was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time upon Friday next.

Ordered, That the Bill be printed.

Return of Qualifications of Militia Officers, presented.

Mr. William Peel presented to the House, pursuant to the directions of an Act of Parliament,-Return of Qualifications of Deputy Lieutenants and Commission Officers in the Militia transmitted to His Majesty's Principal Secretary of State for the Home Department since those last presented to the House.

Ordered, That the said Return do lie upon the Table.

Answer to Addresses.

Mr. Secretary Sir Robert Peel reported to the House, That their several Addresses of the 10th, 11th, 15th and 19th days of this instant June (that His Majesty would be graciously pleased to give directions that the Papers therein mentioned might be laid before this House) had been presented to His Majesty; and that His Majesty had commanded him to acquaint this House, that He will give directions accordingly.

Statement respecting Forgeries in Scotland, presented. No. 572.

Mr. William Peel presented to the House, pursuant to their Address to His Majesty,-A Statement of the number of Persons convicted of Forgery of all Instruments connected with the chartered and other Banks of Scotland, whether of Bank Notes, or Post Bills, Bills of Exchange, or otherwise, in each year, from 1791 to 1829 inclusive; particularizing the Capital Convictions upon which Execution took place, and the cases of mitigated Punishment.

Ordered, That the said Statement do lie upon the Table; and be printed.

Petition in favour of Labourers Wages Bill.

A Petition of Operative Cotton-Spinners of Glasgow, was presented, and read; taking notice of the Bill to amend and render more effectual the Provisions of divers Acts for securing to certain Artificers, Workmen and Labourers, in such Acts mentioned, the due Payment of their Wages in Money; and praying, That the same may pass into a law.

Ordered, That the said Petition do lie upon the Table; and be printed.

Report of Labourers Wages Bill, further considered.

Ordered, That the Order of the day, for taking into further consideration the Report from the Committee of the whole House, on the Bill to amend and render more effectual the Provisions of divers Acts for securing to certain Artificers, Workmen and Labourers, in such Acts mentioned, the due Payment of their Wages in Money, be now read; and the same being read:-The House proceeded to take the Report into further consideration.

A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That the Amendments made by the Committee to the Bill be now read a second time:-And a Debate arising in the House thereupon-

Royal Assent to Bills.

A Message by Mr. Pulman, Yeoman Usher of the Black Rod:

Mr. Speaker,

The Lords, authorized by virtue of His Majesty's Commission, for declaring His Royal Assent to several Acts agreed upon by both Houses, do desire the immediate attendance of this Honourable House in the House of Peers, to hear the Commission read.

Accordingly Mr. Speaker, with the House, went up to the House of Peers:-And being returned;

Mr. Speaker reported, That the House, at the desire of the Lords, authorized by virtue of His Majesty's Commission, had been at the House of Peers, where a Commission under the Great Seal was read, giving declaring and notifying the Royal Assent to the several Public and Private Bills therein mentioned; and that the Lords thereby authorized, had declared the Royal Assent to the said Bills: Which Bills are as followeth;

An Act to apply a certain sum of Money out of the Consolidated Fund to the Service of the year One thousand eight hundred and thirty:

An Act to suspend, until the end of the next Session of Parliament, the making of Lists, and the Ballots and Enrolments, for the Militia of the United Kingdom:

An Act for taking an Account of the Population of Great Britain, and of the Increase or Diminution thereof:

An Act for reducing the Duty on Malt made from Bear or Bigg only in Ireland, to the same Duty as is now payable thereon in Scotland:

An Act for repairing and otherwise improving the Road from Beverley, by Molescroft, to Kendell House, and the Road from Molescroft to Bainton Balk, in the County of York:

An Act for authorizing Leases to be granted of such of the Estates, in the County of Cornwall, as were devised by the Will of Sir Christopher Hawkins, Baronet, deceased, to Christopher Henry Thomas Hawkins, an Infant, during his life:

An Act for authorizing the granting of building and other Leases of Freehold Ground and Hereditaments, late the property of Dame Mary Evelyn, deceased, in the Parishes of Saint Paul and Saint Nicholas, Deptford, in the County of Kent:

An Act for renewing, granting and confirming certain Powers and Authorities to Sir Peter Pole, Baronet, given or limited by the Will of Sir Charles Pole, Baronet, deceased, and an Indenture of Release affecting his Estates in the County of Southampton:

An Act for exchanging the Estates in the County of Northampton, of which the Most noble Walter Francis Douglas Montagu, Duke of Buccleuch and Queensberry, is tenant in tail, under the Will of the Most noble John, late Duke of Montagu, deceased, for some of his settled Estates in the Counties of Lancaster and York, of which he is tenant for life, under the Will of the Most noble Elizabeth, late Duchess of Buccleuch and Queensberry, deceased.

Report of Labourers Wages Bill, further considered.

And the Question being again proposed, That the Amendments made by the Committee to the Bill to amend and render more effectual the Provisions of divers Acts for securing to certain Artificers, Workmen and Labourers, in such Acts mentioned, the due Payment of their Wages in Money, be now read a second time;

The Amendments following were proposed to be made to the Question; viz. To leave out from the words "That the" to the end of the Question, in order to add the words "Report be taken into further consideration upon this day six months" instead thereof.

And the Question being put, That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Question;

The House divided.
The Noes went forth:
Tellers for the Yeas, Mr. Littleton, 48.
Sir Thomas Fremantle:
Tellers for the Noes, Mr. Hume, 4.
Mr. Robinson:

So it was resolved in the Affirmative.

Then the main Question being put;

Ordered, That the Amendments made by the Committee to the Bill be now read a second time.

The first Amendment was accordingly read a second time.

And a Motion being made, and the Question being proposed, That this House doth agree with the Committee in the said Amendment;

An Amendment was proposed to be made to the Question, by leaving out from the word "That" to the end of the Question, in order to add the words "the Bill be re-committed" instead thereof.

And the Question being proposed, That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Question:-And a Debate arising in the House thereupon;

Ordered, That the Debate be adjourned till Friday next.

Court of Session (Scotland) Bill, passed.

Ordered, That the Order of the day, for the third reading of the ingrossed Bill for uniting the benefits of Jury Trial in Civil Causes with the ordinary Jurisdiction of the Court of Session, and for making certain other alterations and reductions in the Judicial Establishments of Scotland, be now read; and the same being read:-The Bill was read the third time; and several Amendments were made to the Bill.

Resolved, That the Bill do pass.

Ordered, That the Lord Advocate do carry the Bill to the Lords, and desire their concurrence.

Labouring Poor Bill, deferred.

The Order of the day being read, for taking into further consideration the Report from the Committee of the whole House, on the Bill to promote the Employment of the Labouring Poor, by free hiring at fair and adequate Wages;

Ordered, That the Report be taken into further consideration To-morrow.

Ways and Means, deferred.

The Order of the day being read, for the House to resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, to consider further of Ways and Means for raising the Supply granted to His Majesty;

Resolved, That this House will, upon Friday next, resolve itself into the said Committee.

Supply deferred.

The Order of the day being read, for the House to resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, to consider further of the Supply granted to His Majesty;

Resolved, That this House will, upon Friday next, resolve itself into the said Committee.

Bankrupt Laws Bill, deferred.

The Order of the day being read, for the House to resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, upon the Bill to supply an omission in an Act of the sixth year of His present Majesty, for amending the Laws relating to Bankrupts;

Resolved, That this House will, To-morrow, resolve itself into the said Committee.

Dean Forest Bill, deferred.

The Order of the day being read, for taking into further consideration the Report from the Committee of the whole House, on the Bill for ascertaining the Boundaries of the Forest of Dean, in the County of Gloucester, and for inquiring into the Rights and Privileges claimed by Free Miners of the Hundred of Saint Briavel's, and for other purposes relating to the said Forest;

Ordered, That the Report be taken into further consideration upon Friday next.

Additional Churches Bill, deferred.

The Order of the day being read, for the second reading of the Bill to amend and render more effectual the Acts for the building of additional Churches in populous Parishes;

Ordered, That the Bill be read a second time Tomorrow.

Debate on Court of Chancery, deferred.

Ordered, That the adjourned Debate upon the Motion made upon the 10th day of this instant June, That it is the duty of this House, before it gives its sanction to the appointment of a further Judge in the Court of Chancery, to ascertain, by the examination of Witnesses, and other inquiries, whether a case of necessity exists for such appointment, be resumed To-morrow.

Constabulary (Ireland) Bill, deferred.

Ordered, That the Bill to amend certain Acts relating to Constables in Ireland, be read a second time Tomorrow.

Suits in Equity Bill, deferred.

Ordered, That the ingrossed Bill from the Lords, intituled, An Act for further facilitating the Administration of Justice in Suits and other Proceedings in Equity, be read a second time To-morrow.

Chancery Register Bill, deferred.

Ordered, That the Bill to regulate the Office of Register and Keeper of the Register and Registers of the High Court of Chancery, be read a second time Tomorrow.

Masters in Chancery Bill, deferred.

Ordered, That the Bill to regulate the Salaries and Emoluments of the Masters in Ordinary of the High Court of Chancery, and the Clerks employed in the Offices of the said Masters, be read a second time To-morrow.

Stage Coach Proprietors Bill, deferred.

Ordered, That the Report from the Committee of the whole House, on the Bill for the more effectual protection of Mail Contractors and Stage Coach Proprietors against Losses, by the undue concealment of the value of Parcels and Packages delivered to them for Conveyance or Custody, be taken into further consideration upon Friday next.

County Rates (Ireland) Bill, deferred.

Ordered, That the Report from the Committee of the whole House, on the Bill to regulate the Applotment of County Rates and Cesses in Ireland in certain cases, be taken into further consideration To-morrow.

Tithes Exchange Bill, deferred.

Resolved, That this House will, To-morrow, resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, upon the Bill to enable Rectors, Vicars, and other Incumbents of Ecclesiastical Benefices and Livings in England and Wales, to exchange their Tithes for Corn Rents, by agreement with the owners of lands.

Arms (Ireland) Bill, deferred.

Ordered, That the Report from the Committee of the whole House, on the Bill to regulate the Importation of Arms, Gunpowder and Ammunition into Ireland, and the making, selling and keeping of Arms, be taken into further consideration To-morrow.

Report Ways and Means, deferred.

Ordered, That the Report from the Committee of the whole House, to whom it was referred to consider further of Ways and Means for raising the Supply granted to His Majesty, be received upon Friday next.

Sale of Beer Bill, deferred.

Ordered, That the ingrossed Bill to permit the general Sale of Beer by Retail in England, be read the third time To-morrow.

Almshouses Exemption Bill, deferred.

Resolved, That this House will, To-morrow, resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, upon the Bill for exempting the occupiers of Almshouses from Assessments for the relief of the Poor and other parochial Rates.

Usury Laws Bill, deferred.

Ordered, That the ingrossed Bill to alter several Acts relating to Contracts for the Loan of Money at Interest, be read the third time To-morrow.

Ecclesiastical Leases (Ireland) Bill, deferred.

Ordered, That the ingrossed Bill to amend the Laws respecting the Leasing Powers of Bishops and Ecclesiastical Corporations in Ireland, be read the third time Tomorrow.

Half-Pay Apprentices Bill, deferred.

Ordered, That the Report from the Committee of the whole House, on the Bill to prevent the taking and Employment of Apprentices usually denominated Half-Pay Apprentices, be taken into further consideration Tomorrow.

Common Law Fees Bill, deferred.

Ordered, That the Report from the Committee of the whole House, on the Bill for regulating the Receipt and future Appropriation of Fees and Emoluments receivable by Officers of the Superior Courts of Common Law, be taken into further consideration To-morrow.

Committee on Beer and Cider Duties Acts, deferred.

Resolved, That this House will, To-morrow, resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, to consider of the Acts 12 Car. 2, c. 23, a Grant of certain Impositions upon Beer, Ale and other Liquors, for the increase of his Majesty's Revenue during his Life; 12 Car. 2, c. 24, for taking away the Court of Wards and Liveries, and Tenures in capite, and by Knights' Service and Purveyance, and for settling a Revenue upon his Majesty in lieu thereof; 5 & 6 Anne, c. 2 & 4, for continuing the Duties upon Malt, Mum, Cider and Perry; and, 6 Geo. 4, c. 37, to provide for the future assimilation of the Duties of Excise upon Sweets or Made Wines, upon Mead and Metheglin, upon Vinegar and upon Cider and Perry, in Great Britain and Ireland, and to continue the Duty of Excise on Sweets or Made Wines in Great Britain, until the fifth day of January One thousand eight hundred and twenty-six.

Assessed Taxes Composition Bill, deferred.

Resolved, That this House will, To-morrow, resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, upon the Bill to continue Compositions for the Assessed Taxes for a further term, and to grant Relief from, and alter and repeal the said Duties in certain cases.

Treasurer of the Navy Bill, deferred.

Resolved, That this House will, To-morrow, resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, to consider further of the Bill to consolidate and amend the several Acts relating to the Office of Treasurer of His Majesty's Navy.

Spirit Duties Bill, deferred.

Ordered, That the Bill to impose additional Duties of Excise on Spirits, be read a second time To-morrow.

West India Spirits Bill, deferred.

Ordered, that the Bill to impose an additional Duty of Customs on Spirits, the Produce of the British Possessions in America, be read a second time To-morrow.

And then the House adjourned till To-morrow.