Die Jovis, 27 Januarii, 1641.
Thomson's Causes in Exchequer.
ORDERED, That the Court of Exchequer may
proceed to the Hearing and Determining the several
Causes, depending in that Court, wherein Doctor Thompson is Plaintiff, and Defendant; and settle the Possession
as in Justice they shall think fit; notwithstanding any
former Order of Restraint, or any other Matter, depending in this House.
Leave of Absence.
Mr. Jo. Arundell has Leave to go into the County.
Tonage and Poundage.
vice lecta est Billa, An Act for the Granting of a
Subsidy to the King of Tonage, and Poundage, and
other Sums of Money, payable upon Merchandize exported and imported.
Information concerning Baker.
Ordered, That this Information, concerning Mr. Baker,
be referred to the Committee for Informations: And that
Mr. Grimston be added to that Committee: And that
Mr. Baker be forthwith summoned to appear before that
Committee: And that the Party that summons him do
make Inquiry what Horses are now in his Stable.
Tendering the Oath.
Ordered, That the Burgesses of the several Cinque
Ports and other Ports, shall be injoined by this House to
take out the Commission for tendering the Oath of Allegiance and Supremacy.
Mr. Glyn, Sir Jo. Potts, Sir H. Vane, Sir Ro. Pye,
Mr. Pury, Sir Gilb. Gerard, Mr. Noble, Mr. Bainton,
Sir Tho. Barrington, Sir Ph. Stapilton;
This Committee is to compare this Declaration now
presented, and the Declaration printed; and to fit this
Declaration for a Preamble to that: And are to withdraw
into the Court of Wards.
Ship with Ammunition, &c.
That the Consideration of the Ship, laden with Ammunition and Corn, from Berwick, shall be referred to
the Committee for Irish Affairs.
Brooke's Trunks, &c.
Ordered, That it be referred to Mr. Whittacre, Sir
Gilbert Gerard, Sir Jo. Francklyn, Sir Walth. Erle, or
any Two of them, to search and make stay of the Trunks
of Sir Basil Brooke; and to use their best Endeavour for
the Apprehending of his Servant: And, being apprehended, that they shall examine him.
Mr. Green reports, from the Committee of the Navy,
the Offer that some Merchants made, of furnishing Five
Ships, upon such Propositions as the Committee has already consented unto; and that they will desire them to
put them in Writing between this and To-morrow.
Resolved, That this House holds it fit to accept and
employ those Five Ships, already furnished and provided
by the Merchants, upon such Terms as the Committee,
appointed to treat with them, shall agree upon.
Resolved, That this House doth undertake to pay all
such Sums of Monies as shall become due, for the Setting
forth of Ships, upon such Terms as shall be agreed upon
by the Committees of this House; and afterwards confirmed by this House.
The Merchants that made these acceptable Propositions
were called in: And Mr. Speaker told them, in the Name
of the House, that this Offer is a very worthy and acceptable Service to this House, and the Commonwealth; for
which he was commanded to return them Thanks, in as
ample and as hearty a Manner as possible he could.
Persons recommended by the King.
Mr. Pym reports, that his Majesty commanded the
Lord Lieutenant to recommend unto this House Seven
Persons for Employment in this Service, as Colonels;
viz. Lord President of Munster, Lord President of Connaght, Sir Charles Vavasor, Colonel Wm. Vavasor, Colonel Rich. Fielding, Lieutenant Colonel Edw. Fielding,
Sir Mich. Ernley.
Sir F. Fortescue.
The humble Petition of Sir Faithfull Fortescue, Knight,
was this Day read: And
It is Ordered, That the said Sir Faithfull Fortescue be
earnestly recommended to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, for a Colonel's Place, in this Service; this House
being very well satisfied, that he is a Man of Honour and
Experience, and worthy of such an Employment.
Persons recommended by the King.
Ordered, That the Committee for Irish Affairs do let
the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland know, That Three of
those Gentlemen, recommended by his Majesty, are already provided for: And that this House has a very good
Opinion of Sir Mich. Ernle; and do recommend him
unto his Lordship for an Employment: But as for the
Two Colonel Fieldings, and Colonel Wm. Vavasor, they
hold them Persons altogether unfit to be intrusted with
Message to Lords.
Sir Sam. Ofeild went up this Day, with the Message
appointed Yesterday, to the Lords.
The humble Petition of Ralph Killinghall Gentleman,
presented to the King's Most Excellent Majesty, and by
his Majesty referred to the House of Commons, December
16 to, 1641, was this Day read: And
It is Ordered, That this Petition, and the Petitioner,
be referred to the Committee for Irish Affairs.
Resolved, upon the Question, That this House holds
it fit, that Sir Jo. Clotworthy (as his Father before had)
shall have the Command of the Bark, and the Boats, to
be provided for the Defence and Safety of the Lough, in
Ireland, called Lough Neagh, alias Lough Sydney; and
that he shall have the like Wages as his Father had:
And he is to build the Hulls of the Bark, and the Boats;
and to maintain them at his own Charge: But he is to
have so much Monies presently allowed him, as shall be
necessary for their Rigging, according to the Note agreed
upon by the Committee for Irish Affairs.
Sir Jo. Clotworthy is to have, for this Service, as Captain of the Bark and Boats, the Allowance of Fifteen
Shillings per Diem. His Lieutenant, Four Shillings per
Diem. The Master, Four Shillings per Diem. Master's
Mate, Two Shillings per Diem. Master Gunner, One
Shilling Sixpence per Diem. Two Gunners, Twelvepence apiece per Diem. Forty common Men, Eightpence apiece per Diem.
Answer from Lords.
Sir Sam. Owfeild brings Answer, That the Lords will
be presently ready to take the Examinations, concerning
the Twelve Bishops; and have Ordered, That the Bishop
of London, and the Earl of Dover, shall be examined;
and that the Restraint of Mr. Oneile should be taken off:
And that they will give a present Meeting, at a Conference, by a Committee of both Houses, in the Painted
Chamber, touching the Scotts Propositions and the Affairs
A Message from the Lords, by Serjeant Whitfield and
That the Lords have sent unto this House a Copy of
the Scotts Propositions, concerning Knockfergus, and
his Majesty's Answer unto it.
The House went up to the Conference.
Mr. Hampden, Mr. Fines, Sir Ph. Stapilton, and Sir
Jo. Clotworthy, are appointed Managers.
King's Answer to Scotch Propositions.
At the Court at Windesore, 26° Januarii, 1641.
HIS Majesty, having perused and considered these
Eight Propositions, presented by the Scotts Commissioners, doth willingly consent to them all, except only the
Third, which his Majesty doth not approve of; and wisheth the Houses to take that Article again into Consideration, as a Business of very great Importance; which His
Majesty doubts may be prejudical to the Crown of England, and the Service intended: And, if the Houses desire it, His Majesty shall not be unwilling to speak with
the Scotts Commissioners, to see what Satisfaction he can
give them therein.
King's Answer to Petition.
Mr. Pierrepoint reports, from the Committee appointed to attend his Majesty, That the whole Committee attended his Majesty: That the Petition was read, according to the Commands of this House: Which, when it
was read, his Majesty's Answer was in these Words: That
his Majesty would give as speedy an Answer as he could.
Ordered, That the Threescore and Nine Barrels of
Powder, and One hundred Musquets, and One hundred
Carabines, with their Furniture, now aboard the Ship
of Abraham White, that came from Berwick, shall be delivered by the said Master to Maurice Thompson and
Wm. Benoir; who have contracted with this House to
set forth presently Five Ships, for the Service of Ireland:
And this House does intend and resolve to deduct so
much out of their Freight, as the Value of the Powder,
Musquets, Carabines, and Furniture, shall amount unto,
to make full Satisfaction for them unto his Majesty,
according to the King's usual Rate.
Members to keep their Seats, &c.
Ordered, That every Member of the House be enjoined
to keep his Seat: And that they do not speak to the
Messengers either coming in or going out.
Message from Lords.
A Message from the Lords, by Serjeant Whitfield
and * *.
1. The Lords have commanded us to read unto you a
Vote, that passed in their House; which they desire this
House would join with their Lordships in.
2. That they have nominated a Committee of Seventeen of their House; and desire that this House would
likewise nominate a Committee of a proportionable Number; which they desire may meet To-morrow, at Eight
of Clock, in the Painted Chamber: The Power of the
Committee they have likewise sent down.
3. They have likewise sent the Queen's Answer to the
Message sent unto her Majesty, from both Houses, by
the Earl of Newport.
4. That they had asked the Lord Cravon some Questions, according to the Desires of this House: And that
he had returned his Answer in Writing.
King's Answer to Scotch Propositions.
.... "Resolved, upon the Question, That those Persons, who gave the King the Advice to give the Answer,
which he hath sent to the Third Proposition of the Scotts
Commissioners, concerning Carrickfergus, are hereby
declared to be Enemies to the King, and both Kingdoms
of England and Ireland."
Resolved, upon the Question, That this House doth
consent with the Lords in this Vote.
"2. The Power of the Committee is to consider of
the King's Answer to the Third Proposition of the Scotts
Commissioners, concerning Carrickfergus, and what is
fit to be done thereupon: And likewise to use all fit
Means to make a Discovery of the Persons who advised
the Giving of that Answer."
Resolved, That a Committee of a Proportionable
Number shall be appointed, to meet with the Committee of the Lords To-morrow, at Eight of Clock; And
to have the like Power as the Lords Committee has.
Queen's Answer to Message.
"3. The Queen, having received a Message from both
Houses of Parliament, by the Earl of Newport and the
Lord Seymour, intimating unto her, that she had been
told, that the House of Commons had an Intention to
accuse her of High Treason, and that Articles to that
Purpose had been shewn unto her, returns this Answer:
That there was a general Report of an Accusation intended against her; but she never saw any Articles in
Writing; and, having no certain Author, either for the
one, or the other, she gave little Credit thereunto; and
much less now, being assured from the House of Commons, that never any such Thing came into their Thoughts:
Nor will she believe they would lay an Aspersion upon her,
who hath been very unapt, so far, to misconstrue the Actions of any one Person, and much more the Proceedings
of Parliament; and shall, at all times, wish a happy
Understanding between the King and his People."
"4. Upon better Recollection of myself, I do confess
and acknowledge to have been mistaken, in reporting what
was delivered me upon Discourse from some Member of
the House of Commons; and am most heartily sorry for
it; beseeching, with all Humility, the Pardon of the honourable House of Commons, for that my great Mistake."
King's Answer to Scotch Propositions.
Mr. Glyn, Mr. Hollys, Sir Edw. Hungerford, Sir Ph.
Stapilton, Mr. Long, Sir Sam. Rolle, Mr. Pierrepoint,
Sir H. Vane, Mr. Pym, Sir Jo. Evelyn, Mr. Grimston,
Serjeant Wilde, Sir Walth. Erle, Mr. Whittlock, Mr.
Cary, Mr. Fines, Mr. Arth. Goodwyn, Mr. Maynard,
Mr. Hampden, Mr. Crue, Mr. Reynolds, Sir Ralph Hopton, Sir Tho. Barrington, Mr. Cage, Sir Ben. Rudyard,
Sir Wm. Lewis, Sir H. Hayman, Sir Jo. Hotham, Mr.
Selden, Mr. Bellassis, Mr. Martin, Sir Jo. Potts, Lord
Buckhurst, Mr. Strode, Sir Rich. Onslowe;
This Committee is appointed to meet with the Committee of the Lords, To-morrow Morning at Eight of
Clock, in the Painted Chamber: And have Power to
consider of the King's Answer to the Third Proposition
of the Scotts Commissioners, concerning Carrickfergus;
and what is fit to be done thereupon; and likewise to
use all fit Means to make a Discovery of the Persons
who advised the Giving of that Answer.
Answer returned by the same Messengers: That this
House has fully agreed with the Lords in their Vote, touching those that advised his Majesty to give that Answer to
the Third Proposition of the Scotts, Commissioners.
They have likewise appointed a Committee of a Proportionable Number to meet with the Committee of the
Lords, To-morrow Morning, as is desired.
Proceedings against Duke of Richmond.
This Copy following was brought in by a Member of
this House, and avowed by the said Member to agree
with the Record in the Lords House, and to be taken
out of their Journal.
"Lord Admiral, Lord Chamberlain, E. Bedford, E. Pembrooke, E. Suff', E. Lincoln, E. Holland, E. Leicester, E.
Warwick, E. Bolingbrooke, E. Stamford, Visc. Conway,
Lord Chandos, Lord Roberts, Lord Brooke, Lord Hunsden, Lord Pagett, Lord St. John de Blettso, Lord Wharton, Lord Howard de Escrig, Lord Spencer, Lord Willoughby de Par', Lord Kymbolton, Lord Grey d' Werke."
"That, in respect the Words spoken by the Duke of
Richmond, which were these, "Let us put the Question,
whether we shall adjourn for Six Months," tending much
to the Prejudice of the King and Kingdom; I do protest against the Vote as not a sufficient Punishment for
Words of that dangerous Consequence."
The House fell into a great and weighty Debate of
these Words spoken by the Duke of Richmond, and the
Upon the Putting the Question, whether this House
hath sufficient Cause to accuse the Duke of Richmond
to be one of the malignant Party, and an ill Counsellor
unto his Majesty;
The House was divided.
||Tellers for the Yea, 223.
|Sir Philip Stapilton,
|Mr. Chancellor of Ex-chequer,
||Tellers for the Noe, 123.
Resolved, upon the Question, That this House hath
sufficient Cause to accuse the Duke of Richmond to be
one of the malignant Party, and an ill Counsellor unto