House of Commons Journal Volume 3
1 October 1644

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 3: 1 October 1644', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 3: 1643-1644 (1802), pp. 647-648. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=1661 Date accessed: 23 August 2014.


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Die Martis, Octobris primo, 1644.

PRAYERS.

Waller's Sequestration.

RESOLVED, &c. That the Sequestration of Mr. Edm. Waller's Estate shall be forthwith taken off.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Sir Robert Pye brings Answer * * * *

Treaty with the King.

A Letter from the Lord Fairefaxe, of Septembris 27 1644, concerning some Propositions and Instructions that the Governor of Pontfract had to treat with him from the King; the which he would not admit without Licence from the Parliament.

Sir Tho. Widdrington and Mr. Solicitor are appointed to prepare a Letter in Answer to this; and to return him Thanks, in Acknowledgment of his discreet Management of this Business.

Administrations.

Ordered, That the Ordinance concerning Administrations, be reported To-morrow Morning.

Committees added.

Ordered, That the Committee formerly appointed for the Business of Surry, where Mr. Knightley had the Chair, be added to the Committee last appointed to consider of the Articles against Sir Jo. Maynard and Colonel Jones.

City Forces.

Mr. Recorder, Mr. Strode, Mr. Vassall, Mr. Bond, are appointed to go to the Committee of the Militia this Afternoon, to hasten the March of the City Forces.

Waller's Fine.

Sir Robert Harley and Mr. White are appointed to go to Mr. Waller; and to take care that there be no Hindrance in the March of the City Forces, by reason of any Obstruction in the Payment of his Fine.

Letter to King of Portugall.

A Latin Letter, reported from the Committee of both Kingdoms, to be sent from both Houses to the King of Portugall, was this Day read and, by Vote upon the Question, assented unto; and ordered to be sent unto the Lords for their Concurrence.

Propositions for Peace.

Ordered, That after the Messengers are called in, that the House go forward with the Propositions for a wellgrounded Peace.

Ordination of Ministers.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Edw. Leech and Doctor Aylett;

The Lords have commanded us to return unto you this Ordinance concerning the Ordination of Ministers: To which they agree, with some Amendments; the which they have sent herewithal.

The First Amendment was put to the Question; and assented unto; viz. That these Words, "at the least," to be added to these Words, "Twenty-four Years."

The Second being read, for the leaving out these Words, "and to obey and submit unto him, as being over them in the Lord;"

The Question being put, for adhering as it went from hence;

The House was divided:

The Noes went forth.

Mr. Solicitor, Sir Henry Vane, Tellers for the Noe: With the Noe, 61.
Sir Gilbert Gerard, Sir Anth. Irby, Tellers for the Yea: With the Yea, 42.

So that the Question passed Negatively.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth concur with the Lords in the Second Amendment for leaving out these Words, "and to obey and submit unto him, as being over them in the Lord."

Resolved, &c. That this House doth agree with the Lords in the Addition of this Proviso; viz. "Provided that this Ordinance shall stand in full Force for Twelve Months, and no longer; any thing in this Ordinance contained to the contrary notwithstanding."

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House has considered their Lordships Message; and do agree to the Alterations and Proviso, sent from the Lords, to the Ordinance for Ordination of Ministers.

Court of Wards.

Ordered, That the Ordinance concerning the Court of Wards, be read the Second time on Thursday Morning next.

Message to Lords.

Sir Hen. Vane carried up to the Lords the Vote for the taking off the Sequestration of Mr. Waller's Estate: The Order made upon the Reference of the Petitions from Staffordshire, and from divers of the Committees of Warwick, Stafford, and Sallop, to the Committee for the Earl of Denbigh's Association: The Ordinance for conducting the Forces upon the Report from . . . . both Kingdoms (fn. a) : The Letter to the King of Portugall.

Propositions from Berks, &c.

Divers Propositions from the Committee of Berks, Bucks, and Oxon, were presented to this House; read; and, in Substance, assented unto; and referred unto That Committee, to prepare an Ordinance to the Purpose of the said Propositions: With a Proviso, that no Composition with Delinquents shall take Effect, till they be reported.

Customers, &c.

Ordered, That the Report concerning the Customers and the Navy, be made To-morrow, the first Business.

Arebbishop of Canterbury.

Ordered, That the Report concerning the Archbishop of Canterbury, be made To-morrow Morning.

Answer from Lords.

Sir Hen. Vane brings Answer, That the Lords will take the Messages into speedy Consideration; and will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Commissioners for Martial Law.

Ordered, That the Committee of Lords and Commons at Haberdashers Hall do issue forth, and pay, upon Account, unto the Judge Advocate to the Commissioners for Martial Affairs, One hundred Pounds, to defray the necessary Charges incident to the Dispatch of the Affairs of That Commission: And that the Fines set by the Commissioners be paid into Haberdashers Hall, to be disposed of for the Service of the Publick.

Governor of Connaught.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth nominate and approve of Sir Charles Coote to be Governor of the Province of Connaught in the Kingdom of Ireland: And that Mr. Reynolds and Mr. Lisle do prepare and bring in an Ordinance for the Passing of this Grant under the Great Seal.

Propositions.

Mr. Young, Mr. Selden, Mr. Hill, Mr. White, Mr. Crew, Mr. Lisle, Mr. Solicitor;

This Committee is appointed to consider of the Blank in the Eleventh Proposition; and of some general Clauses to fill up this Blank; whereby this Proposition may not be retarded upon the perfecting of particular Acts and Ordinances. It is likewise referred to this Committee, to consider of the Clause concerning the Court of Wards. It is likewise referred to this Committee, to consider of some Proposition concerning Clergymen, and Heads of Colleges and Halls. This Order is referred to the especial Care of Mr. Selden, Mr. Young, and Mr. Hill.

Message from Lords.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Edw. Leech and Doctor Aylett;

The Lords do concur in all the Messages this Day brought up unto them.

They have appointed Three Lords to be added to the Committee for the Earl of Denbigh's Association; and have appointed That Committee to meet this Afternoon.

They have received a Letter from the Portugall Resident; the which they desire may be referred to the Committee of Lords and Commons for the States Ambassadors.

Earl of Denbigh's Association.

Mr. Salloway, Sir Jo. Curson, Sir Ben. Rudyard, Mr. Jennour, Sir Martin Lister, Sir Tho. Woodhowse, are added to the Committee of Lords and Commons, for the Earl of Denbigh's Association: And That Committee is appointed to meet this Afternoon.

Portugall Resident.

Ordered, That this House doth agree with the Lords, in referring the Letter from the Portugall Resident to the Committee of Lords and Commons, for the States Ambassadors.

Answer to Lords.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House has considered their Lordships Message; and do agree to the referring of the Letter from the Portugall Resident; and have made an Addition of a proportionable Number to the Committee for the Earl of Denbigh's Association.

Letter to Lord Fairefaxe.

A Letter (in Answer to That from my Lord Fairefaxe) presented by Sir Tho. Widdrington, was read; and assented unto.

Army.

Sir Henry Vane reports, from the Committee of both Kingdoms, That, whereas both Houses have referred it to the Committee, to give Orders for the Conduct of the Forces of the Earl of Manchester, and Sir Wm. Waller, that they may be preserved in Unity; and whereas this Committee find it fit, That the Forces of my Lord General should join with the other Forces; and have given Directions accordingly; this Committee doth therefore recommend it to the Consideration of the Houses, That it be ordained, if they think fit, That the Lord General, and the Commanders of all their other Forces, shall proceed in the Conduct of the said Forces, according as he or they respectively shall, from time to time, be advised by such Persons as shall be appointed by this Committee of themselves or others, with Instructions from this Committee for that Purpose; or according to such Directions as he or they respectively shall, from time to time, receive from both Houses, or this Committee.

An Ordinance of Parliament for the Conduct of the several Forces of Parliament:

Whereas both Houses have referred it to the Committee of both Kingdoms, to give Orders for the Conduct of the Forces of the Earl of Manchester, and Sir Wm. Waller, that they may be preserved in Unity: And whereas the said Committee do find it fit, That the Forces of the Lord General should join with the other Forces; and have given Direction accordingly: The Lords and Commons, in Parliament assembled, do Ordain, and be it Ordained, by Authority of this present Parliament, That the Lord General, and the Commanders of all other Forces, raised by Authority of both Houses of Parliament, shall proceed, in the Conduct of their said Forces, accordingly, as he or they respectively shall from time to time be advised by such Persons as shall be appointed by the said Committee of themselves or others, with Instructions from the said Committee for that Purpose; . . according to such Directions as he or they respectively shall from time to time receive from both Houses, or the said Committee.

Payment from Excise.

Whereas, at the Instance of Richard Whitehed and Edward Hooper Esquires, Committees for the County of Southampton, the Deputy Commissioners for the Excise, for the Town of Portesmouth, and the said County of Southampton, have paid unto the Treasurers of the Garison of Portesmouth aforesaid, for the Maintenance of the Officers and Soldiers thereof, the Sum of Four hundred Pounds, before the Passing of the Ordinance of both Houses of Parliament, bearing Date the Second Day of August last past, for the Allowance of Five hundred Pounds per Mensem to the said Garison; as by several Receipts under the said Treasurer's Hand, may appear: It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons, in Parliament assembled, That the said Receipts of the said Treasurer of the said Garison, for the said Four hundred Pounds, shall be a sufficient Discharge for the same, unto the said Deputy Commissioners of Excise; to whom the same shall be allowed, upon their Account, by the Commissioners of Excise for the Kingdom: Which said Four hundred Pounds shall also be allowed unto the said Chief Commissioners of Excise, upon Their Account.

Footnotes

a There is no Entry, till afterwards, of this Report being made.