House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 23 February 1624

Lunae, 23o Februarii, 1623

Sunday.

Mr. Snelling delivereth in the Bill of the Sabaoth; which passed both Houses last Convention in Parliament, and hath ever sithence 27o Eliz. passed this House.

L. 1a. An Act for punishment of divers Abuses on the Lord's Day, called Sunday.

Members to receive the Communion.

Sir James Perrott : - A Jove principium. - That, as in the Two last Parliaments the Communion administred, so now ; as a Sign of Unity in Mind and Religion, and of our Charity: - And a Thanksgiving, for our Meeting, and for the Prince his safe Return. - Allowed a good Motion.

The old Order, being read, was allowed; and the like to be now observed.

General Fast.

Sir Edw. Cecill: - Glad that we in this Course. - Moveth (as in the Low Countries used) a general Fast for this House. - This to be general through all the Kingdom, at a Day to be prefixed. - A Bidd-day called there. - Very bountiful to the Poor there. - This a Subsidy of Thanks to the King. - To petition his Majesty for his Consent to this.

Sir Wm. Strowde: - To have this moved to the King by some honourable Person about the Chair. - Hopeth, now no Man of this ... ill affected of Religion. - The Knights of the Shires to take Notice of all Persons returned, and to give Information of any returned, suspected in Religion; whereof knoweth none.

Preacher appointed.

Sir Wm. Boulstrode propoundeth, for the Preacher, Dr. Bargrave Minister of St. Margarett's, the Place agreed upon. - The Time, Sunday next.

Sir John Jephson moveth for the Bishop of Meth. -

Not to shew any Dislike of him, whom now we have proved.

Sir George Goring: - Dr. Bargrave a very sufficient Man, no Disparagement to the other.

Sir Nath. Rich: - That he knoweth the Bishop of Meth desireth to be spared.

Dr. Bargrave to preach. - Resolved.

Receiving the Communion.

Sir Francis Barrington, Sir Edw. Gyles, Sir Wm. Boulstrode, Sir James Perrott, Sir Wm. Pitts, and the Clerk,to take Care of those which receive the Communion.

General Fast.

Sir Geor. Moore: - A good Beginning a good Step to the End. The best Beginning, to look to the End. The Motions past tend all to the Glory to God. This in the Fore-front of all Statute-books printed. The like Motion 27o Eliz. and an Order, for One of the Privy Council to move the Queen. - Else not fit; for this Motion being general, and not only for ourselves.

Mr. Speaker: - We Power over ourselves only. The general, over the Kingdom, not in our Power.

Sir Edw. Wardor, accordant.

Mr. Secretary, and Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer, and Sir Edw. Cecill, to move the King forthwith in it.

Bills to be passed, &c.

Sir Tho. Hobby, - for a View of all Bills passed, ready to pass, and thought fit to pass. - No new Bill to be read, till those twice read, and committed.

Mr. Pymme: - Private Bills, at fit Times, to be excepted.

Limitations of Actions.

L. 1a. Limitation of Actions, and for avoiding Suits in Law.

Members make Election.

Sir Myles Fleetwood electeth for Launson.

Sir Nath Rich, for Harwich.

Sir Cl. Cotterell electeth for Grantham.

Rye Writ.

Sir Ed. Conway moveth a new Writ may be sent for a new Election for Rye. - Agreed.

Warrant for issuing Writs.

A general Warrant to Mr. Speaker, to make Warrants for new Writs, in Cases of Death, or double Return.

Members make Election.

Sir Henry Holcrofte electeth for Stockbridge.

Mr. Brooke electeth for Yorke.

Sir Geor. Goring electeth for Lewys.

Sir A. Ingram electeth for Yorke.

Sir Tho. Cheeke electeth as Knight for Essex.

Committee of Privilege.

Sir Jo. Strangwayes moveth an Election for Privileges. -

Sir Jo. Strangwayes, Sir Edw. Coke, Sir Geor. Moore; Sir D. Digges, Sir Walter Earle, Sir Wm. Strowde, Sir G. Gerrard, Sir Ro. Hatton, Sir Tho. Jermyn, Sir Guy Palmes, * Christopher Nevyll, Sir James Perrott, Sir Geor. Fane, Sir A. St. John, Mr. Recorder, Sir John Jephson, Mr. Solicitor, Sir Tho. Hatton, Mr. Drake, Sir H. Poole, Sir Ro. Phillippes, Sir Nath. Rich, Sir Geor. Goring, Sir P. Hayman, Mr. Pymme, Sir Jo. Savyle, Sir Tho. Cheeke, Sir Olyver Luke, Sir Tho. Trevor, Mr. Fanshaw, Sir Wm. Poley, Sir Wm. Fletewood, Sir Francis Fane, Mr. Alford, Sir Francis Barrington, Sir Geor. Manners, Mr. Glanvyle, Sir Wm. Herberte, Mr. Drew Drury, Sir Francis Barnam, Sir Tho. Aprice, Sir Nich. Tufton, Sir H. Spiller, Sir H. Fane, Sir Edw. Payton, Sir M. Fleetwood, Sir Rich. Yong, Sir Ro. Maunsell, Sir Ben. Rudyar, Sir Tho. Denton, Sir Roger North, Mr. Corington, Chancellor Duchy, Sir Charles Morison, Mr. Fetherston, Sir Edw. Cecill, Mr. Moore, Sir H. Wallopp, Mr. Brooke.

Mr. Mallory, and Sir Tho. Hobby; - To have all, that will come, to have Voice.

Mr. Speaker putteth them in mind of the Orders of the House, which never so in this.

Sir Francis Seymor: - To have the Question, whether every Man shall have Voice.

Mr. Alford, contra: - Because against all Precedents.

Question, Whether all that will come, to have Voice at this Committee: - Resolved, No.

Question, Whether the Persons nominated only to be : - Resolved, Yea.

Mr. Pymme: - Counsel to be admitted at the Committee. - Agreed.

To begin on Thursday in the Afternoon, at Two of the Clock; and so every Tuesday, and Thursday, during the, Parliament, in the Exchequer Chamber.

All Petitions to be offered at the Committee.

Answer from the King.

Sir Edw. Cecill reporteth the King's Answer, of Thanks for their good Intentions: - And will confer with his Bishops, as usual in like Cases; and will give Answer.

Grievances.

Mr. Delbridge moveth for a Committee for Grievances, - Resolved, A Committee of the whole House, in the

House. - Friday next to be the first Day, at Two of the Clock; and so every Friday and Monday, during this Session.

Sir Wm. Bolstrode, - for a Sub-committeeforGrievances.

Sir Ro. Phillippes: - No such Committee last Convention ; but Petitions presented to him, that had the Chair for Grievances.

Courts of Justice.

Sir Ro. Phillippes moveth, a Committee of the whole House for Courts of Justice, in the House, upon Wednesday next; and, after, every Wednesday, during this Session. - Resolved.

Swearing.

L. 1a. Act against profane Swearing and Cursing.

Concealments.

L. 1a. An Act for the general Quiet of the Subjects against all Pretences of Concealments whatsoever.

House to sit.

Notice, of a Message from the Lords, that shall be presently sent; and therefore desire we will sit till it come; which is intended not to be long.

Answer sent by the Serjeant to the Messenger without, that brought it, that the House will sit.

Prohibitions.

L. 2a. An Act concerning Probate of Suggestions of Cases of Prohibition. -

Mr. Glanvyle: - To have this Bill committed: - For safest for the Passage of the Bill. - But presently to do it, and bring it back again.

Sir Geor. Moore: - No committing, without some Exception taken against it.

Mr. Banks: - In the Four Counties of Northumberland, Westmorland, Cumberland, and Bishoprick of Durham, have Assizes but once a Year. - To have Provision here for them.

Dr. Gooch: - Prohibitions oft mischievous, Suits thrice affirmed; in Country, Arches, Delegates. - To have Prohibitions restrained to some Time. - Costs to be taxed.- -

Committed to Sir Edw. Coke, Mr. Glanvyle, Mr. Solicitor, Sir Ro. Hitcham, Mr. Recorder, Mr. Brooke, Mr. Banks, Dr. Gooch: - Presently, in the Committee Chamber.

Conference.

A Message from the Lords by the Two Chief Justices, Serjeant Davys, Serjeant Crew. -

Lord Chief Justice: - The Lords have sent us with this Message to this honourable House: That, whereas the King's Majesty in his Speech declared, he would give Direction to his Admiral, and Two Secretaries, to deliver certain Particulars, of great Consequence, the principal Cause of calling this Parliament; the Lords, for the better Correspondence of both Houses, which they earnestly desire, desire a Conference between both Houses, Tomorrow, in the Painted Chamber, if this House think fit: The Reason, because the Secretaries being to attend, and make Relation, with their Papers, any may ask any Question ; wherein the Admiral will give Satisfaction.

Mr. Speaker relateth the Message to the House.

Mr. Alford: - No man here, as he supposeth, prepared to make Demands, but to hear them; and then lawful for any Member of it to ask any Question, to receive Satisfaction; but no further.

Sir Geor. Moore: - When a Conference about Supply to the King, we refused to confer, otherwise than to hear, upon generals, without making any particular Answer.

Mr. Treasurer: - The Intent of this Conference, to inform us of the Particulars of the Heads delivered by the King; and then, if any doubtful, to propound, and require Satisfaction.

Sir Edw. Coke: - No Man to speak there, without Warrant from the House. - Now only to hear, and to speak nothing.

Resolved, To send Answer to the Lords (with Thanks for their Desire of Correspondence) that we will give a Meeting, as a Committee of the whole House, at the Place and Time desired.

Which accordingly delivered to them by Mr. Speaker.

Leave to the Two Secretaries, being Members of this House, to make their Relation among the Lords.

The Two Secretaries, and only Two more, viz. Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer, and Sir Francis Cottington, to be added to them; and they Four to make the Report back to this House.

Prohibitions.

The Committee brought back the Bill for Suggestions in Prohibitions; with Omnia bene. - Upon Question, Ingrossetur.

Election.

Sir H. Fane electeth to serve for Carlyle.